Originally posted by kanzer:
Come across this article..... guess that for those msians
for are very interested in specs take a
good look at this website:http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-15.htm
take a good look at this paragraph especially:
[b]The F-15C has an air combat victory ratio of 95-0 making it one
of the most effective air superiority aircraft ever developed. The
US Air Force claims the F-15C is in several respects inferior to,
or at best equal to, the MiG-29, Su-27, Su-35/37, Rafale, and
EF-2000, which are variously superior in acceleration,
maneuverability, engine thrust, rate of climb, avionics, firepower,
radar signature, or range. Although the F-15C and Su-27P series are
similar in many categories, the Su-27 can outperform the F-15C at
both long and short ranges. In long-range encounters, with its
superiorr radar the Su-27 can launch a missile before the F-15C
does, so from a purely kinematic standpoint, the Russian fighters
outperform the F-15C in the beyond-visual-range fight. The Su-35
phased array radar is superior to the APG-63 Doppler radar in both
detection range and tracking capabilities. Additionally, the Su-35
propulsion system increases the aircrafts maneuverability with
thrust vectoring nozzles. Simulations conducted by British
Aerospace and the British Defense Research Agency compared the
effectiveness of the F-15C, Rafale, EF-2000, and F-22 against the
Russian Su-35 armed with active radar missiles similar to the
AIM-120 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM). The
Rafale achieved a 1:1 kill ratio (1 Su-35 destroyed for each Rafale
lost). The EF-2000 kill ratio was 4.5:1 while the F-22 achieved a
ratio of 10:1. In stark contrast was the F-15C, losing 1.3 Eagles
for each Su-35 destroyed.
actually even before reading this page, i have a hunch that RSAF
will most probably get the EF-2000. In the run up to the RFP, the
typhoons get the most coverage( why i do not know).... I remember
the ST reporting a RSAF Colonel went for a test flight...ST
interviewed a senoir BAe senoir official on what type of package
they are offering..... next we heard that the UK govt is allowing a
training detachment in UK...... i do not recall ST reporting any
news coverage of rafale, eagles, superbugs, falcon and the
Su-35..........
so my guess will be typhoon.......
[/b]
Couple of points, if I may
1) The article is VERY outdated. The APG-63 is indeed outdated
compared to the Bars set used by the Su-30, but understand this;
theres at least a 20 year age gap between the 2 systems(Eagle is a
70s design). A more relistic comparison would be between the Bars
and the APG-70 AESA set being fitted onto the USAF's eagles and
reported on offer to RSAF. I think theres no contest that the 70
would win. If we were to compare radars with 20 year age gaps we
might as well compare the Phantoms radar with the FuG sets used on
German WWII nightfighters.
2) As Joe Black has mentioned, computer simulations aren't to be
trusted especially used in such an environment. Theres no
transparency at all in the argument, for all you know they used
data from fully fuelled fully armed Rafales and F-15s against a
lightly loaded Su-30 and came up with the conclusion that the
Rafale and F-15 are crap against a Su-30, while using a lightly
loaded Typhoon against a fully loaded Su-30 and claimed the Su-30
is crap against a Typhoon. Moral of story, with a little tweaking,
a computer simulation can come up with whatever results you want it
to come up with.
3) Errrmm...sorry to correct you, but Dr Tony Tan flew in a Rafale
as early as Asian Aerospace 1998, and by that time it had already
been reported that Singaporean delegations had been to Dassault's
plant to view and test-fly the Rafale. The Typhoon never had a
flying example down to Singapore, and RSAF pilots didn't fly it
till 2000. As for publicity, reminds me of the time Singapore's
press was waxing lyrical about the Apache, then when reports
circulated that the Yanks didn't want to export Longbow radars to
Singapore, the press changed tack and started waxing lyrical about
the Eurocopter Tiger(Apaches greatest rival - a coincidence?)
before we finally got the Apaches WITH Longbows. See a pattern
emerging? 
