PES FAQs

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PES FAQs

pringo SG

Since you are excused only from upper limb and heavy load, your commanders have the right to make you stand during PT, run...etc.

HOWEVER, do not let them bully you into doing sai-kang like carrying jerry cans and other heavy stuffs. Let them call you chao keng or whatsoever, but if they ask you to carry heavy stuff, just say no and that you are excused from doing so.

If they try to tekan you over this, bring it up the heirachy and seek your OC for help first. It certainly will be a bad idea to lose one arm over jerry cans and such - there is no telling how bad your condition will get if you continue to carry heavy load.

As for dust allergy, you will only be excuse dust (I am serious, there are all sort of interesting excuses, from grass to sunlight). That usually does not help much, so you must learn how to take care of yourself and make your bed extra clean.

As for down-pesing, it depends on your arm's condition. Pes B2 will be very likely if your condition is not too extreme, but I am no MO or spec, so I can't tell you for sure what your PES will be.

When I told the MO the first time that it hurt when I run, he told me not to swing my arms. When the specialist letter said it hurt when i run, he gave me 2 weeks RMJ. On a scale of 1-10, doing nothing (ie. lying down etc, it's a 6) but once they start making me move my arms around (marching, running, lifting) it goes up to 8-9 depending on the activity.

When I gave the MO the first letter and told him that I have an MRI appt and a follow up consultation he said to come back after that. So hopefully when I go back tuesday I'll be able to see the MO and give him my specialists diagnosis and recommended actions. The first letter my specialist had written already recommended to downgrade me. But when I told him I had an MRI and another appt coming up he hesistated and just said to come back after those were done.

As of now, I know my body that if I were to stay in camp and make me do stupid work like they have in the past week, it WILL get worse. It already has. I just hope the MO has some decent sence, otherwise, kena screwed =\

But depending on the length of time it takes to review my medical status, most likely my company will just ask me to do stupid work around company line right? Admin work, etc? Or will they actually allow me to recover properly? I'm assuming the former.

And after the medical review, depending on my PES status I go for recourse or new BMT? Is there a difference between recourse and BMT?

Forbiddensinner SG

And after the medical review, depending on my PES status I go for recourse or new BMT? Is there a difference between recourse and BMT?

You can safely bet that they will ask you to do saikang. The only thing is what type of saikang only. Even if you say that your arm hurts when you swing it, if your MO does not write anything, you will still be expected to swing your arm.

You can't entirely blame the MO, since there are plentiful of kengsters who keng left keng right. I am hoping the best for you though.

As for re-BMT, it depends on a few factors. Since you just went in not long ago, I assume that you have not gone through field camp and range. Thus, if you get down-pesed, you will have to go for re-BMT of your new pes.

Usually (but not always), re-bmt will be more slack. Many of those who go for re-bmt are going to ORD soon, so the commanders will not tekan them too much (Unless you have a sadist or garang commander).

pringo SG

You can't entirely blame the MO, since there are plentiful of kengsters who keng left keng right. I am hoping the best for you though.

So what will the order of things be like? Will I first be asked to stay in camp and help out with stuff, then wait for revocation? Or wait for pes review first, then wait for revocation? Or do I wait for the new pes BMT?

Is it possible for my specialist to give me MC so that I can properly recover? Or is this just wishful thinking?

Forbiddensinner SG

Is it possible for my specialist to give me MC so that I can properly recover? Or is this just wishful thinking?

You will have to bear with the sai-kang for now till your appointment next Tuesday.

After that you can try to ask the spec to help you out by writing you a MC. You must tell him/her your situation, otherwise he/she may not want to write you a MC. This is because there is actually no need for a MC by right, but since your commanders have already gone by left by forcing you to carry heavy load and such, you have not much choices left.

After that submit any documents and memo from the spec to your MO. He will help you to bring it up to medical board for review, and allow them to decide your new PES.

After getting your Pes, then will you be revocated. Currently you are not on Att B/C, so you are counted as a healthy soldier who is excused from certain stuffs. If your PES does not change, you will likely continue through BMT.

As for the re-BMT, usually it will come at the end of your NS, just before you ORD. Note that there do are people who are slotted right into the re-BMT for another Pes soon after they are down-pesed. But that is because the timing is just nice, with the BMT of the other Pes starting during that period.

pringo SG

You will have to bear with the sai-kang for now till your appointment next Tuesday.

After that submit any documents and memo from the spec to your MO. He will help you to bring it up to medical board for review, and allow them to decide your new PES.

I actually have MC right now till tuesday. I had a fever of 39C today when I went to get looked at by the doctor. So I get to rest for the next few days. Being sick like this makes everything hurt more.

So the time between getting recommended for a pes downgrade and actually getting a pes downgrade varies right? 1month-3months? Between that time what will i be doing, sai-kang?

Forbiddensinner SG

So the time between getting recommended for a pes downgrade and actually getting a pes downgrade varies right? 1month-3months? Between that time what will i be doing, sai-kang?

Do get more rest and drink more water. Your fever may have something to do with your arm.

Anyway, unfortunately, what you said is true. Between the period when your MO push up your case and when you actually get down-pes, you will be considered healthy and just excused from HL/UL. If your MO does not write anything for you, you will be in quite a fix. Besides sai-kang, you will be expected to participate in all activities which has nothing to do with what your commanders deem as "carrying heavy load".

pringo SG

Do get more rest and drink more water. Your fever may have something to do with your arm.

100% sure that my arm has nothing to do with my fever. My arm has been like this for 2 weeks already, while my fever just started two days ago.

But when the MO pushes my case up for down-pes, doesn't he make me sign a form for OOT? I guess I'll have to ask my specialist to be very specific.

shawnstewart SG

Hi all,

I greatly appreciate this giant faq about pes statuses. But I am in quite a situation right now.

I enlisted into BMT in early november 2010, and after the first two weeks I developed a progressively painful sensation in my left shoulder. It started out to be only when I lifted heavy weights or tried to put my arm above paralell to the ground. But now it has progressed into feeling pain with just about doing nothing ie. lying down, standing, sitting. What's worse is that the MO gave me excuse UL/HL and I was still made to carry full jerry cans, stand for the duration of the entire PT session, carry my field pack which made the pain increase. I can't even hold my rifle properly because my left arm can't take the weight.

I reported to MO three times, 1st time he gave me panadol, 2nd he gave me physio, 3rd was to deliver my specialists letter. My specialist said that the bones in my shoulder blade are misaligned. I had no idea about this, as I've never experienced any pain or this sensation before in my life. I enlisted as PES A status, and now I can't even wear my black sling bag on my left shoulder without immense pain.

I talked it over with my parents/friends/relatives and have come to a conclusion that screwing up a body part, which will most definitly be permanent if I continued BMT is not worth a life full of pain.

I just completed my MRI a few days ago to make sure it's nothing worse then a bone misalignment, if it is then I'm SOL =\. The specialist said it will takes months of physio to reduce the pain significantly, and that it would be absurd to return to the safe physical level of activity. Over my short stay in BMT I also developed these rashes on my back whenever I slept, I suspect it's may be caused by a dust allergy. I'm planning on going to an allergist soon to get this tested. If it comes back positive, what will happen to me?

Summary:
Shoulder blade misalignment causes me great pain: Heavy weights, running, prolonged standing (5-10minutes), wearing iLBV, field pack, black sling bag), sleeping (woke up many times because of rolling onto my shoulder, or being on my back for too long).

May have a dust allergy that I didn't know I had.

If I had known about any of these conditions I would have presented them to CMPB during my medical check. I'd also like to know, since I've finished my college degree, what PES/Vocation is most likely for me to be assigned to?

Dear pringo,

I would like to share with you about my condition which is very similar to yours. I just had an arthroscopic surgery on my left shoulder on 1st Oct. I have been injured since May 2010.

Firstly, 6 out of 10 scale for pain is a bad sign. I told my physiotherapist the same thing, 6 out of 10 when doing nothing, 8-9 out of 10 if I were to carry any objects. As for me, I had cracking sensations on my left shoulder for 2 weeks with the fact that dislocation is ruled out based on the x-ray scan. 2 weeks of pain as simple as sitting, standing, esp sleeping is alarming. I couldn't help that the inflammation spreads to my entire left arm and my left side of my neck. I guess you might have a ligament or tendon tear.Your misaligned shoulder blade may be the fact that the mechanism in your shoulder joint is not normal and has recently caused your ligament or tendon to tear abit, thus causing the inflammation pain in your left shoulder.

Secondly, your health is utmost important above everything else. If you are made to do sai kang, always fight for your health. Don't give in to your commanders' pressure. Sad to say for my case, even my camp MO and my OC does not understand that with one injured shoulder (arm) , they pressume you can use the right arm to carry things. Bullshit. You might overuse your right healthy arm. Even my camp MO finds me alright to continue as a temp storeman. Once your MRI scan shows something that is quite serious, just endorse, surely OOT, get a downgrade. You can recourse another time when you are well.

Thirdly, if the MRI scan shows a ligament or tendon tear, physiotherapy sessions will not work because the exercises only strengthens and prevent your left shoulder from stiffening. Ligaments or tendons do not heal on their own. Surgery is required to mend the tear. It takes 6 months to recovery for shoulder surgery conditions.

Now, I hope that you will get posted to a clerical job. My specialist always checks on me to ensure that I do clerical job because you should know very well that all vocations also cannot except ASA.

pringo SG

Right now I'm on a two week medical leave. I'm awaiting an appt with an SAF specialist so he can properly access what pes status I'll be slotted into, since the MO couldn't find my specific case in the pes bible.

So what happens to me if I don't re-BMT right away? Do they post me out to another vocation as a recruit?

Also, will not being able to hold a rifle properly effect my pes status?

Forbiddensinner SG

So what happens to me if I don't re-BMT right away? Do they post me out to another vocation as a recruit?

Also, will not being able to hold a rifle properly effect my pes status?

If you don't re-BMT straight away, you will be posted to a unit.

In your case, where cannot lift up things, I believe you will likely be a clerk if you get down-Pes.

And yes, you will be recruit all the way till you complete your re-BMT, after which they will promote you straight to CPL.

Being unable to hold a rifle properly will likely affect your vocation rather than your Pes if sounded out by the spec - the biggest factor which will affect your Pes is clearly your arm, or rather how bad it actually is.

Lokey SG

So what happens to me if I don't re-BMT right away? Do they post me out to another vocation as a recruit?

Also, will not being able to hold a rifle properly effect my pes status?

Relax lah. Just let them post you to whatever they need to post you. It is not within your control anyway.

Most people don't know that there is anything wrong with them until they start to exercise. U can search for "swimmer's shoulder", shoulder impingement syndrome. Most probably you are still young and you are at stage 1.

pringo SG

thanks for all your replies/support. It's been really helpful.

Last question though. Is the re-bmt essentially the same as what regular bmt would have been for that pes group? Or is it shorter/longer in duration and more/less intenese?

Forbiddensinner SG

thanks for all your replies/support. It's been really helpful.

Last question though. Is the re-bmt essentially the same as what regular bmt would have been for that pes group? Or is it shorter/longer in duration and more/less intenese?

Same duration, and usually much less intense.

Unless you are suay enough to meet garang commanders.

deathmaster SG

very simple question here.

We know that for enlistees, the new pes B2 will be used to replace pes C1 with effect from June 2010.

Just interested to know what happens to the Pes status of Pes C1 ppl who ORDed since June 2010.

Since the pes C1 no longer exist, will the existing pes C1 personels upgrade to the new B2 pes upon ording? or will they retain their "unique" status? or is the "upgrade" only available upon request?

pierre^^ SG

i saw Pes E9 personnel still being called back in my unit ICT

I think it was because they were downgraded after being posted to this camp

and they had to wake up with rest of the battalion at 5.30, and stay in with them during the entire ICT

Jeremy kzt SG

hi. May i ask. I pes e9l9 got excuse on wad? Do i have excuse on uniform? Wad excuse do i have?

Forbiddensinner SG

hi. May i ask. I pes e9l9 got excuse on wad? Do i have excuse on uniform? Wad excuse do i have?

What excuse you have depends on your medical condition rather than your Pes.

Being E9L9 means that you are almost certainly a clerk or storeman, with the former one more likely the case.

Clerks wear No.3 and storeman wear No.4, so no excuse of uniform.

Lokey SG

i saw Pes E9 personnel still being called back in my unit ICT

I think it was because they were downgraded after being posted to this camp

and they had to wake up with rest of the battalion at 5.30, and stay in with them during the entire ICT

Pes E9 does not meant that you dont have reservist rarer it is not needed.

I do call back Pes E9L9 people back for support. And these personnels had heart failure.

What is the problem with waking up at 5:30? Back end support is also important.

Demon Bane SG

I kind of enjoy going back to ICT or BCT, even IPPT. I think its good training plus can take our minds off a busy work schedule. Learning something useful every training and making friends. So the reservist system is a good one. I heard that many people who dun like being called back are usually the people who can't pass IPPT? Is it true?

I have a medical problem and is waiting for Medical Board to down PES (possibly to PES C9). For now I'm still enjoying going for training.

Lokey SG

I have a medical problem and is waiting for Medical Board to down PES (possibly to PES C9). For now I'm still enjoying going for training.

Nope. I am Pes C9 L2. I dont need take IPPT since NSF times. I dont like being called back because it is a waste of time. Before the ICT, I need to arrange my work and so many administrations. After 3 weeks, my work piled up and I have to clear like crazy, apologizing to every1 under the sun that I am on ICT. And seriously, SAF really call me back to use eye power. It is only wasting my time, other people's times and taxpayers's money. People dont have time for this kind of nonsense when you are busy at work, fighting for survival outside.

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