New Audi A4 vs. New 3 Series

last SG · 2005-01-12T23:13:42+00:00

looks?! Geez. what can I say? They look ah….. shudder unusual.

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the gallardo uses steel brakes. try using carbon brakes esp in the wet or when they aren't up to temp yet, and u'll see how they can be amost useless.

Gazelle SG

Trulli might have done those mistake on purpose.. As we know that towards the end of the season, trulli relationship with Renault turn sour and left before the final few race. Trulli to me a a damn down to earth and good racer and it is definitely a gem to have in a F1 team. Especially to work beside ralf.

Gazelle SG

my mistake I was refering to Mclaren SLR, not the SLK.

As for the M5, you need to look under the bonnet to tell their F1 link.

The M5 power plant is a road-going version of the BMW-William F1 V10 engine. 5.0L with 507 BHP. (more powerful than the F430 engine)
It has an extreme high rev, with a red line of 8,250 rpm.
M5 also have a 7 speed split second shift SMG gearbox.

Gazelle SG

Heng, do you think Ferrari will be so damn stupid to come out with a car with a set of brake that doesnt work? Do you know that the F430 was designed to be the most driver friendly "F1" car? F430 does have different driving mode which you can select to suit your driving preference, road condition and available GRIP. The different mode are ICE, LOW GRIP, SPORT and RACE.

Btw, heng, if you are not driving the f430 like a race car everyday, why are you so concern about the brake? Smile

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uh uh. NO racing driver enjoys making stupid mistakes like that. To even say something like what you just did suggests a lack of understanding of the mental processes of racing drivers.

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actually, you are mistaken. the V10 in the M5 is totally new, not a road going version of their F1 engine.

Gazelle SG

Alonson and Sato san are the gem of F1. We need young drivers like these to make F1 more interesting. These are the dude that will eventually challenge the champion and make the champion think twice in trying to pass them.

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i know they won't be so stupid to come out with a car with non-functional brakes. but the point is that no car is designed perfect, and that compromises have to be made.
And i am not concerned about the brakes. i am merely commenting on them, even if i am not driving it like a race car everyday, just like you are not either. Mr. Green

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Honestly, Sato HAS bulled his way past MS last year at monaco. But I can't really think of an instance where Alonson actually challenged MS and came off tops. Lapping MS at Hungary in 03 doesn't count, because when you are being lapped, you are obliged to give way. Kimi vs Schuey in Australia 03 was particularly exciting. And Monty gave Schuey countless frights. Was it last Spa when he pulled off that almost impossible 'outside-inside'move on schuey?

Gazelle SG

Heng, of course both engine are different lah. one is 3L the other is 5L. One is build to last only for 1 weekend, while the other is build to last like a road car. You have to look into the way they construct the engine to see the link.

Btw, most car magazine does mentioned that the new M5 V10 engine perform and sound like a high pitch high rev F1 power plant. 90degree V10, high rev are very typical of F1 and I dont see that in any other road cars. Couldnt they be mistaken too?

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hullo. u said its a road going version of the V10 used in the Williams. That means the same engine, detuned for road use, like in the case of the Yamaha OX99-11 or the Ferrari F50. NOT in the case of the new M5. It would perhaps be more accurate for you to say that the engine design was heavily influenced by F1 technology? Technology link is not a direct link like the F50 has. And yes while I agree that those magazines are not mistaken, in describing how the engine performs and sounds, I also believe non of them have actually said that it is the same engine from the Williams F1 car detuned? So here, I think I am right, the magazines are right, only you are mistaken. Laughing

Gazelle SG

If I am Trulli and I want to get out of Renualt, I would really consider to do that. That will pissed renault more than anybody else. F1 is not just about racing, there are so much politics and money involve. And I am sure different driver have different objective and role in a team and you cant assume that all of them think like a 100% race driver.

Gazelle SG

Like I have said before F1 engine are build to race and M5 engine are build to last like a road car. How one earth can you expect to detune a F1 engine to fit in a road car?

http://www.bmwworld.com/models/m5.htm

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If I am Trulli and I wanted to get out of Renault, last thing I want to do is to show my prospective employers what a whiner I am, or how crap I can be. 'Nuff said. Laughing

Gazelle SG

You dont impress your fans and prospective employer by just one race. Trulli already have a record the speak for itself and one stupid mistake doesnt determine his destiny.

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BMW World is a private enthusiast site not associated with BMW AG.
© BMW World 1999-2004. All Rights Reserved.

I see you have choosen to pick a single line from that site and instantly assume it is true. Laughing

Here's some useful advice for you. Go find a copy of Top Gear magazine issue Nov 2004. Read the article where they interviewed Patrick Head of Williams on the BMW M5. READ IT CAREFULLY. Find the single critical sentence spoken by Patrick Head, which, proves the V10 used in the M5 is not a detuned version of ANY V10 used in the Williams F1 car, but a completely new design with heavy F1 influence. When you have done so, come back here and tell me. Laughing

Gazelle SG

No one said that it is a detune version of the F1 enigine. And yes I have read the copy of the Top Gear magazine and I still have it at home. So what you getting at? Didnt you say that you dont see any F1 link in the new M5?

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It's not one. It's many. And yes, when people are hiring in F1, they very much so look at short term results. Dec 03, no one wanted JV because of the way he threw a tantrum in the later part of 2003. Now? Peter Sauber has just convinced himself JV is not so bad afterall and hired him. Once again, I say: the last thing anyone wants is to SHOW how derisively whiney they can be when things aren't exactly going their way. Long term or short term, IT IS NO GOOD. Period.

And also, learn not to trust all the peachy PR talk issued by people in F1. 1 minute they say they are very happy with their new team/employers/car etc in the world, next thing you know, they are breaking contracts. Look at Tony Purnell and David Pitchford.

Now go do the BMW thingy. Laughing

Gazelle SG

What are you talking about here? Why touch on some many other issues of F1 when we are just talking about Trulli...I am confused!! Rolling Eyes

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I said I didn't see any links, meaning no direct links, not like the OX99-11 had or the F50 had in sharing a detuned engine. U said a road going version. When u say road going version of an F1 engine, it means a detuned version of it. That is how we describe the OX99-11's 3.5l V12 and the F50's V12. It is a roadgoing version of the 1992 Jordan Yamaha F1 engine/ It is a roadgoing version of the early 90s Ferrari F1 V12. meaning: it is detuned. If u mean to say it is technologically influenced, then say so, don't say "it's a road going version" because u are going to mislead people into thinking it is just a detuned version of it.

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