guards light strike vehicles

last SG · 2003-04-05T23:32:03+00:00

lol~ *scary voice* remember the official secrets act~!!!

SingaporeMacross SG

[quote]Scarly it's like Japans secret weapons program... generally ineffective(/quote)

Japan got secret weapons meh?

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

ww2 they came up with a lot of stuff to stop the yanks… some, like the WP anti bomber bomb was spectular, but they were all generally ineffective.

foxtrout8 SG

When a small one attacking a big one , the small one will look like a victim. Worst to worst UN ask for creasefire , by that time , they army crush liao....

|-|05| SG

you would be rather naive to think that actually.....not that malaysia has many friends lah but still

SingaporeMacross SG

Maybe the LSV can be equipped with laser target designater. LSV can be used as missile spotter for laser guided bombs. RSAF got or not?

foxtrout8 SG

Yahyah .........try to prove mi wrong . Mr. Green

Tango1 SG

Haha! yeah I know what you mean...Me and my team already wanna die, just carrying our normal load and additional gear...I kena stuck with the radio...walk until blisters form upon blisters...times like that make me wish for my bike...lol Mr. Green

I guess when I first saw them LSV company formed back then was when they were still developing doctrines and trial-testing the vehicle.

I still think an airfield raid is possible with the Chinook. Only that the tactics have to be worked out to prevent blue-on-blue...heh heh...Butterworth beware...lol Mr. Green

ah san SG

hi, guyz all i can say is give the LSV a chance kah pls Crying or Very sad

we are very NEW, a very newly formed concept...i suppose when the armour was 1st used ,it must haf been met with suspicions abt being a "moving entrapment", "Big target signature"...b4...

SingaporeTyrannosaur: give lsv some benefit of doubt pls...yes, we haf no protection, its stupid to think that we can dodge bullets but i still haf faith in lsv tactics...

no offence mate Very Happy but i assume u noe little abt LSV tactics...i mean i would wan some panels protection too but there are reasons that they can't haf them, related to ops.

Toyed and prototyped with an idea of a protective blanket that can be rolled out to prevent artillery sharpnel....but we scrapped it it requried 6 men juz to load it...how to roll went requried!!! Rolling Eyes

abt NVG ad body armour: NVG is issued and i really hated the harness man!!! ARgh the pain!!! Crying or Very sad as for body armour ...unheard of though it was said we were be issued bulletproof jacket...but never seen any...

to Moonstriker: think u got sabo-ed Wink the mg can be movedto travelling position!! Smile

ok guys juz to clear some air...the LSV is used by many diff units and for diff. operations...i mean if u haf been following this thread u would haf heard abt the guards, cmdos, infrantry, recce, scouts...u r all not wrong.

each diff units use the LSV differently...i mean in guards itself there are differences...and there r diff. levels of lsv training, most infrantry ns units go and learn the basic capabilities like weapons and driving mainly to replicate their milan jeep training but there r improvments and changes on going..for eg. juz heard from cadet off. abt the xtra mg mounted and tow contraction even though i juz went for reservist in Dec...

bottomline: i agree fully that the LSV is FLAWED but pls be patient and haf faith in us...i can understand all ur doubts abt something u can only c and feel was the same for me until we went overseas training...Wow!! Shocked the experience was fantastic in LCk we had a lot of restrictions but overseas the training was really realistic and thats where i realise the capabilities of the LSV... Cool

put in this way if the buttons pressed one day, i were be back in the LSV manning my mg without a doubt Very Happy

hope i din offend anyone Mr. Green if i did sorry k Question
alls cool rite guyz Cool

BaKa NeK0 SG

hmmm can spike or milan fire when LSV are still moving?

Ps: sorry for asking stupid Sad question......

SingaporeMacross SG

Wah, it would be great if can.......

'A few LSVs raid airfield, rush towards tanks then launch their missiles. Then wipe out the troops, plant bomb on airplane then BOOM!! Then faster escape..."

foxtrout8 SG

Thats wat the LSV are build to do. They are build to give the enemy surprises rather then taking surprises from the enemy. Im not sure whelther can it launch a Spike on the move , however if Spikes are fix for launch in fast boats and helicopter of other country , i believe we can launch it on the run too. One unique feature of the spike is their Fire and Forget mode which i believe able them to fire on the move accurately.

Actually the Spike have a range of abt 2 to 4km for LR versions and 4 to 8km for ER version. I dunno which one the SAF is using. Lets take it that it is the LR version which means that the LSV can engage any ground object at stand-off range of 2 to 4 kms, which mean that they wont need to go so close to raid targets on the move.

Palastinian Freedomfighters view that Spike as a mini-cruisemissile , i believe by now u all shld know how it works without truely revealing the position of the launcher.

foxtrout8 SG

http://www.rafael.co.il/web/rafnew/products/air-spike-ER-lcv.htm

Joe Black SG

I believe SAF has the Spike LR variant which has a range to 4 KM. This is the version found on most Spike-armed LSV. It might also have the ER variant. A picture of the ER variant on SAF LSV is shown in the Rafael homepage. However, I haven't seen any evidence of it yet on any official SAF statement or press release articles or photos.

foxtrout8 SG

Whelther is it ER or LR , their provide us wif one of the best anti-tank stand-off capacity in the region. Imagine u are in a convey of PT-91 , suddenly out of nowhere over the hills 2 spike missile came picking out the first tank and the last tank . Countermeasure have been made , however too late , more missile came streaking from the sky , picking the remaining tanks one by one through their IR-optic device. Surviving tanks have to face our overwheming spearheading armour columm , the enemies armour convoy had crippled , Bionix and Ultras rush in to pick out their M.Infantrys columm with support of Apaches and Fennecs Scout heli . Anyone try to escape will be chase or be ambush by our fast running LSV. After battle anaylst found that out of 20 LSVs we lost 4 in ambush while the armour faces no losses thanks to overwhemming standoff support from our Apaches and LSVs and intelligence support from the Fennec and SeacherMk2...... Twisted Evil

ah san SG

no problem...no question is stupid Very Happy

k i never tried firing both spike, milan and agl on the move b4 but cos in peacetime training, caution mah. Smile

in theory both spike and AGL should be able to fire on the move but should really be avoided not so much due to weaponary but due to safety...

for most who take their 1st ride in LSV would haf this urge to grip their seat belts or anything when travelling for the 1st time rite Wink now imagine standing on the platform without any seatbelt or safety gear travelling at high speed ...personally i wouldn't fancy a fall out of the LSV...ouch Shocked

anyway shouldn't haf to fire on the move...as mentioned as spike has the locked on fire and forget mode.while we dun play the armour role of providing aggressive,supressive charge to overrun the enemy Cool

milan is a wire guided missile u got to control the missile direction MANUALLY so cannot fire on the move Neutral

as for AGL fire think can let the Armour handle it with the bionix and ultras lah....LSV got NO armour protection at all leh wouldn't want to song si rite?? Rolling Eyes

ah san SG

to foxtrout8: Very Happy hi bro i dun noe if u r a military analyst or simply bright but u haf been pretty spot on , on the ops...but contain the excitment man..alrite? Razz
all's cool Cool

foxtrout8 SG

ThX , i think im jus lucky......

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Stupid LSV is a deathtrap, dun be caught in one.

Tango1 SG

Dude...new form of warfare requires new ways of thinking...tanks were once regarded as deathtraps in the old days too...commanders were suspicious of it, and didn't see any use as compared to 'over-the-top' infantry charges. What we've got in the end was wanton slaughter for nothing in WWI. Rolling Eyes

The LSV is a good concept. I would disagree that its a deathtrap. Surprise is its tactical advantage. If a column of armoured vehicles are caught by surprise by an LSV company, the enemy tanks, APCs/IFVs would be the deathtraps instead. Wink LSVs are not designed for a head-on charge...that would make it a deathtrap...

According to the simulations that I'm playing out for my thesis, LSVs would be able to inflict a very favourable kill ratio, in return for one of their own. All this is based on surprise, stealth agility. Given the nature of our terrain, LSVs might prove to be a formidable battle opponent that enemy armour would face....in conection to a combined-arms ops I mean... Very Happy

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Still I dun like the idea of a return burst of random maching gun fire killing the entire crew, that’s a serious defiency…

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