Singapore navy

last SG · 2002-12-30T10:28:05+00:00

volvos are no cars...they'er armored tanks of the road!!! i saw a volvo totally crushing a merc b4!!! And i'm joining the navy so maybe i could provide some...

CX SG

Originally posted by HARIMAU:
RSN should get the tropicalise version of the A19 from Sweden.The German 212 also a good bet-but Swedish types might offer some advantages (beside the german are very strict about their state of the art weapons export).

i'm not sure if that's an entirely accurate assessment... when one thinks of western european sub makers, we generally think DCN (French), Kockums (Swedish) and HDW (German).

but since 2000, Kockums and HDW underwent a series of consolidation which ended up with the Swedish state-owned defence company Celsius AB and another private German company (Preussag) taking joint control over HDW and HDW acquiring a 100% stake in Kockums.

Sg is actually in a rather good position to acquire whichever sub it wants since the RSN enjoys good working relations with both the Swedish gov't, Kockums and DCN, which Sg has ordered frigates from...

and needless to say, the Kockums-HDW merger was undertaken primarily to share technology and gain a bigger share in the global market for naval vessels.

This was in early 2000...

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/data/communiques/archives/2000Jan/data/2000Jan1487/

now here's a bombshell... guess what USA did to keep its half of the bargain to supply Taiwan with subs...

Australian Defence Magazine, May 2002
US merchant bank One Equity Partners (OEP) has bought a controlling interest in German submarine builder HDW. The bank, which is owned by Chicago-based Bank One (formerly First Chicago) has acquired 75 per cent of the firm from its German shareholders Preussag, Babcock Borsig and Bayern Finanz. Babcock Borsig retains a 25 per cant stake in HDW.

http://www.yaffa.com.au/defence/may/sea3.htm

so now, one of the more prominent European naval supplier, is American owned... and since M'sia has introduced advanced submarine capabilities to the region, the door is WIDE open for Sg to purchase whatever diesel sub it bloody wants... the Germans have never been part of the equation but i seriously did not think that they would prove uncooperative should we have decided to deal with them.

true, America has export restrictions too, but Sg has dealt with them before and like i said: Sg is not introducing a new capability into the region.

so i do not foresee serious problems if Sg decides to buy a Swedish designed sub equipped with top of the line Swedish and German technology from big brother America and build it in Singapore with full technology transfer Twisted Evil

pure speculation on my part... please correct my humble opinion should my reasoning prove flawed... Mr. Green

LoNgZ SG

hey...trust our men at DSTA and ST Log...good brains there leh...
Wink

sgboy2004 SG

Is sg realli buying frigates?

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laser51088 SG

yar, we been toking abt it so long liao, 6 of them based on the La Fayette ships

wombat SG

The Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN) laid the keel for the first in a series of six frigates on 14 November 2002 in Lorient, France. Permanent Secretary (Defence) Mr Peter Ho officiated at the ceremony.

Under a contract signed with Direction des Constructions Navales (DCN) in March 2000, the shipyard will be delivering six modern frigates to the RSN. These ships are intended to replace the six ageing Missile Gunboats (MGB) that have been in service for more than 25 years. The first of the class is to be built in France while the remaining five ships will be constructed locally by Singapore Technologies Marine. The Defence Science & Technology Agency (DSTA) is the overall programme manager and is also undertaking to integrate the combat systems and platform in this challenging programme. The first ship is expected to sail back to Singapore in 2005.

The frigates are built to be stealthy, using the latest ship design and building technology. The addition of the frigates to the RSN Fleet will expand the capabilities that the navy can employ in the defence of Singapore.

The keel laying ceremony marks another milestone in the strong bilateral defence ties between France and Singapore. The defence relationship between Singapore and France is an extensive one which includes regular dialogue at the policy level, professional interactions in bilateral and multilateral exercises, and defence technology collaboration.

Ship Data

Length : 110 m

Breadth : 16m

Tonnage : 3200 tons

Speed : more than 25 knots

Range : 4000nm

Heli Deck : Medium size helicopter

http://mindef.miw.com.sg/display.asp?number=1665

Arena SG

hi gguys.... i know very little about submarines and naval stuffs... may i know what's the capability of the Sjoormen? And wonder why RSN would wanna buy old aged submarines?
And if u guys said is true that sg will buy more attack submarines, then the number of subs sg haves will increases, together with the new frigates coming in, i think the NAVY will need more manpower... Am I right?
And in how many years, would u guys think RSN will have new state of the art submarines with superb offensive capabilities?

Mech^O^GATor SG

Submarine underwater warfare is relatively new to RSN.
Training a team of efficient specialists is critical for any future acquisitions.This enable new recruits to be professionally taught by these veterans and directly contribute to the overall operational capabiliy of the crew members of each individual submarine.Buying over ageing submarines is perfect its not only train its crew members learning to operate the basis equipments/system and knowledge of a submarine before they learn to operate a large more sophisticated and complex subs.In another .words "foundation".ANyway we lack enough sub trained personnals for more subs. Very Happy

Orcishwarrior SG

Singapore Naval armanda display will never be the same again once all 6 is being commissioned in 2009 and probably some major naval vessal like destroyer and new class of submarine

Joe Black SG

I agree about RSN ORBAT will never be the same. However, it will never be big enough to be consider armanda. Though sophisticated, RSN will never be able to be grow too big, eg. no destroyers. Ships and subs are expensive. A typical frigate will cost at least S$300 million per ship (go and do the maths for the latest La Fayatte *Delta* frigates). Each new built SSK will cost at least double to triple the cost of a frigate.

My prediction is that RSN will, in 5 to 8 years time (approx 2008-2010), acquire a new sub class. This will fall in line after the completion of the Delta project. In between the Delta and the new sub class, RSN may choose to acquire a smaller class corvette (52m Stealth Corvette or 85m Stealth OPV from ST Marine) to boost the fleet. At the mean time, the MGBs are almost certain to be phased out, with the boats pass to Indonesia or to the Police Coast Guards.

In the logistic front-end at the end of the decade or early next decade, RSN may retire the present Sir Lancelot class LST to training role, and replace that with a new helicopter carrier cum landing platform dock. This ship might also act as the "mothership" to the smaller crafts, eg. MCVs, PVs, etc for lottral warfare or forward deployment controller/coordinators with a secondary anti-subs and snti-surface role.

BTW, I feel that NH-90 will most probably win the helo competition.

21Alpha SG

But the NH-90 is untried, not a single unit is in active service. I tink the S-70 is more likely, given that singapore doesn't like untested systems unless it gives a big advantage.

Arena SG

I can understand tt RSN wanna start knowing sub or underwater warfare so bought the ageing subs to train personnels for future buyings of better sub......
but why RSN BOUGHT 4 OLD SUBS?? i dun understand...... 4 old subs?? tt's too much for training i guess

Matlaysia SG

Not really, if you consider that the subs would be used as targets for RSN warships to find and participate in mock combat, there is also joint operations and finally we got to be aware that at least 1 will be at port to undergo servicing at anyone time. So 4 is actually not really alot

foxtrout8 SG

with nature of the SAF , i dun think the 4 old subs will be jus for training in the future. I believe she will be upgraded ( after the open secret that DSO/DSTA is study undersea weaponry ) enough to join the big boys when needs arises.

foga SG

special forces insertion…

foxtrout8 SG

the current sub is for special force insertion liao

foga SG

how about a delicated fleet of subs
for special forces insertion?

perhaps sabotage?

Anza Andy SG

Sg is v interested in the scandinavian viking sub. Sg will likely be building 4-6 sub in sg around 2007-2009.

foga SG

tot some country pulled out of it? tot the viking project stalled liao?

wombat SG

Singapore do not have the resources or manpower to operate such a fleet. Subs are not cheap!! USA whose defence buget are many times larger, also do not keep a dedicated fleet of subs for special forces.

Also in a all out conflict, the subs will be busy ensuring our SLOC are kept open. Though subs may be used according to operational needs, special forces are better deployed using other means.

foxtrout8 SG

there is a class of sub known as midget subs. The lastest of it has the high-end technology for steath and navigation , specialize in SOF insertion , and some can be operate for SUB rescue as well.

Some of this subs come cheap , however due to the sensitive nature of it , not many country wish to declare their existence in their orbat.

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/dagger/index.html
This is an example of a high end ''midget sub''. I believe Singapore could be interested in such Submarines , however for the Sjoormen to operate like that , a very major upgrade have to be done.

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