Future Main Battle Tank

last SG · 2003-01-18T18:38:21+00:00

Very well… it shall be as you say…

Pressure-Forward SG

look strange to me by the way ,it has a long turret.
it look like a tank.

eurofighter SG

We have two versions of that AMX-10 APC. One with 90mm gun and the other with 25mm gun. SAF actually bought small numbers of them for evaluation. Wonder why they are still here.

Pressure-Forward SG

i found a pic of it,nice looking!an indoneasia one!

Pressure-Forward SG

LAV-600
nice top,but use wheels sucks.what if stuck in swamp?

Joe Black SG

AMX-10 in the original form is just an IFV. They are usually armed with 25mm cannon. In SAF case, the AMX-10 IFV has a 1 man Drager turret with a French 25mm gun

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9932/amx10p1.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9932/amx10p2.jpg

SAF also has 22 AMX-10PAC90 which is armed with a 90mm high velocity cannon, eg. the picture you have included in your earlier post and the one above showing the Indonesian Marine are AMX-10PAC90.

For more information about AXM-10 and AMX-10PAC that SAF have, you can follow this URL:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9932/amx10p.html

The AMX-10RC is a 6-wheels recon vechicle with a 105mm gun. The French use them at the battalion level.

For more info about AMX-10RC, you can follow this URL:
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/amx/index.html

Pressure-Forward SG

Nice info,Joe Very Happy

bcoy SG

The logic would be too have both light and heavy tanks for support. The Merkava 4, however, is on the upper end of that heavy scale. While large MBTs may have superior firepower and protection, the don't operate that well in closed terrain. Perhaps in certain built up areas and holding strategic highways. But certainly not in a palm or rubber plantations or narrow back alleys. It doesn't take much to immoblise a slow or a large tank, hitting a fast one under cover is a different story, even with the Milian or Spike, especially during exercises. My choice would be the French Leclerc, (rather than the Merk 4), which is just slightly lighter than most western tanks, operating with a 3 man crew.

Pressure-Forward SG

maybe we can order the french tanks to replace the current MBT.
it only 50 tons,compare to other like Merkava,M1,less 10 tons!
but still too heavy moving through jungle,plantation estate.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

All depends on the foot pressure and track ground disturbance, give them wide tracks and rubber pads like the Abrams, you’ll see they can go almost anywhere…

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

But my proposal is that they use a system that is like the FCS, 30-40 tons, advanced technology. Fight the war with information rather then sheer tonnage. Of course, this unit should have enough modular armour protection to slug it out with Pee Tee Nighty Toos and more then enuff firepower to kill… Dun forget the mobility…

Joe Black SG

Agree. Thus some of us here believe that the Swedish CV90-120T presents the most logical choice to fulfil this. The CV90-120T has a good 120mm gun, advance fire-control system, active/passive defensive aid system, when when add modular armour, will be the "MBT" SAF just need to for the Centurion replacement. Tonnage of such a tank would be in the 30-40 ton range, plus a good small "footprint" to boot given their wide tracks and 7 roadwheels.

My alternative view is that an upgrade Leopard 1A5 would do a similar trick. Upgun the Leopard 1 to the Leo2 120mm smoothbore gun, add the Israeli-made defensive aid systems that is being used for Merkava 4, add a commander independent sight/CCITV for hunter-killer mode, applique armour and walla we have a first-rate - German made tank !!!! Smile

Joe Black SG

What about the possiblity of ST engg building a new tank with a foreign turret?

See this
Jordan unveils new turret for Al Hussein main battle tank
The King Abdullah II Design and Development Bureau (KADDB) of Jordan, in an exclusive briefing to Jane's Defence Weekly, has revealed details of an indigenously developed turret incorporating a 120mm smooth-bore gun. The intended platform for the turret is believed to be the Jordanian Armed Forces' Al Hussein (ex-British Army Challenger 1) main battle tank (MBT).

Development of the Falcon 2 turret, designated within KADDB as project AB9C5, has been conducted as part of the MERLIN programme, which involves intellectual development and technology transfer between the South African defence-industrial private sector and Jordan. Concept design, development, prototyping and project management has been led by KADDB, in close partnership with the Mechanology Design Bureau (MDB) and IST Dynamics of South Africa. It is supported by other elements of the Jordanian, South African, Swiss and UK defence industries.

Now in the final stages of development, Falcon 2 interface verification was scheduled for completion last month, following which it is expected to be dropped into an Al Hussein hull by the end of the year. KADDB plans to unveil the complete vehicle officially at the IDEX international defence exhibition in Abu Dhabi in March 2003. KADDB officials told JDW that fitting the Falcon to the Al Hussein hull involved a "straightforward interface".

The primary armament for the Falcon 2 turret is RUAG Land Systems' L50 120mm smooth-bore compact tank gun. King Abdullah II of Jordan told JDW that improved lethality, combined with concerns about the obsolescence of the Al Hussein's (UK BAE Systems RO Defence) L11 120mm rifled gun and ammunition had been a driving factor in developing the programme.

The South African government is understood to have expressed an interest in the Falcon as part of its revived MBT requirement, and South African industry sources said that the Falcon 2 turret's development could provide the impetus for a collaborative project with Jordan to develop a new MBT hull.

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This is promising given it is armed with the RUAG Land Systems' L50 120mm smoothbore gun, and a FHL Claverham 10-round autoloader.

The Falcon 2 turret in the process of integration testing at the KADDB workshop. Visible is the RUAG 120 CTG 120mm L50 smoothbore gun and the bustle housing an FHL Claverham 10-round autoloader. Attached to the outside of the bustle is an eight-round Thales AFV smoke projector. Not yet fitted are the commander's and gunner's hunter-killer sights. (Source: KADDB)

Pressure-Forward SG

The CV90120-T tank has been developed to provide a lighter, highly mobile main battle tank with a high pressure smoothbore 120mm gun, battlefield management system and extensive defensive aids suite.

Maybe the 120mm gun can be mounted on the bionix chasis for a
new light tank for SAF.
Mr. Green

eurofighter SG

Your words echo my thoughts.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

We could use a modified hull to cut height and up the ability to carry armour…

Pressure-Forward SG

Future combat system

(FCS) will use significantly enhanced battlefield knowledge to improve the combat power of a network of vehicles, sensors and weapons.

Pressure-Forward SG

Future Combat Systems shooting the enemy miles away before it can see us and making it impossible for the enemy to detect us makes it appear as though we will fight casualty-free wars. The simple fact is that as we advance in military technology, the rest of the world is not going to years behind. BY the time we have all of these wonderful gadgets and gizmos (like stealth tanks and Future Combat Systems), the enemy will probably have something similar as well.

Pressure-Forward SG

FUTURE US TANK!

This futuristic main battle tank is based on the M1 Abrams chassis. It would be armed with a magnetic rail gun, and equipped with advanced threat detection and defense systems

Pressure-Forward SG

YourFather SG

We cannot afford an FCS system as envisioned by the US Army. Their FCS system, to achieve the envisaged lethality and survivability, requires TOTAL SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. This quantum increase in SA will require the full backing of a huge ISR network, consisting of platforms like the MC2A, Rivet Joint, Predator system, Commanche and even National assets like satellites. UAVs will be required all the way down to section level. To properly make use of all the information gathered without being overwhelmed by them,
an extraordinariliy complex C4I system must be available, something which today, is considered one of the most risky obstacles to the fielding of the FCS system.

Do you think we have the money to make it work?

I say our version of the FCS will have to be more 'conventional', meaning it has to be more survivable, as an insurance against unforseen situations occuring due to gaps in information.

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