HUMRAAM

last SG · 2003-02-25T01:55:36+00:00

for one thing, its guided... so the operator can actually decide where he wants it to go... like the Spike for instance... u can guide it all the way until i...

laser51088 SG

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-120.htm#CLAWS
The HUMRAAN is a ground to air system from the AIM-120 AMRAAM

I was wondering if the HUMRAAM can be used by SIngapore, or if something similar can be made. Singapore currently does not have any vehicle launched anti-aircraft missile (other than MANPADS that you can put inside the APCs) as far as I know, and something like that would be a welcome addition to the inventory,

Problems would be whether the missile can be slaved to current mobile air radar used and putting it on tracks if the army wants something to travel with its tanks and APCs.

|-|05| SG

oops nvm

[-t-] SG

a bit off topic, but is the JERNAS(for malaysia) considered vehicle launched?
bcoz it doesnt really look like a vehicle--but it has very good mobility

JERNAS- btw, it looks quite cool

laser51088 SG

Thats the Rapier FSC. . .
Singapore uses Rapier Mk 2

Orcishwarrior SG

Fellow singaporean!! we already have problems gettin our amraam back to home ground let alone acquiring Humraam Very Happy

foxtrout8 SG

Wats the use of the HUMRAAM in Singapore...? If in terms of Air-defense , i prefer the Barak land-based system or the TOR-M1 which provides excellent mobile/point air-defense capability.

When used for the Protection of mobile armour unit from Air-elements , i believe any missile that have the range of more /= 10km is adequate to do the job. Most importantly missile must have the ability to intercerpt surprise missile attack from all directions at anytime , thus i will prefer a VL/ mobile missile defense system. Another important advantage of VLS is that it is idea to operate in clustered environment ( urban areas , forest tracks ) , which are the main terrain which the SAF's armour will be most likely fighting.

With the technology available to Singapore , the cheaper Barak will be my vote for our mobile Air -defense requirement.

MushyMaro SG

protection from? aircrafts likely... but from warheads? not likely... even if they can intercept the warheads they can just saturate their attack and ... still GONE... still to think ... which radar can handle a huge attack... say 500 to 1000 warheads... i think it is not cost effective and also ineffective.

foxtrout8 SG

can u tell mi who the hell in this region is going to throw 500 warheads onto our Armour battle group?? Btw , wat is warhead in ur content???

The main objective of having mobile air-defense on the protection of Armour groups is to protect it from low flying helicopters to medium attitude flying aircraft coming at all direction , anytime. With the threat of top-attack ATGM , mobile SAMs can be use to neutralize such threat if possible.

[-t-] SG

The JERNAS is an upgrade of the Rapier.
the one in the picture is a JERNAS

[-t-] SG

i prefer VL too..our Lekiu's use SEAWOLF VL SAMs..they are good..singapore should get something like that too-or do u already have?

eurofighter SG

Our Barak on our MCVs are vertically launched. So are our Aster 15 on our future Project Delta frigates.

MushyMaro SG

please man... welcome to the real world ... if i want u die... i will throw 500 warheads just 155mm rounds at u. they dun have to be smart... Equation.. barak vs conventional dumb rounds.. equals lose a lot of money... anyway who the hell in the world has implemented it... against aircrafts and heli >>Yes .... but against ATGM and Arty rounds??? NO. (or am i outdated??)

foxtrout8 SG

500 warhead....?? Wake up lah. Who the hell will want to use 500 155mm on an armour group and who the hell in this region can afford it...??

U know wat is a warhead? Be clear on ur word ... anything ranging from a Spike to a ICBM contain warhead leh.......

When did i say barak's main task agaisnt conventional dumb rounds???? Btw , dun u know Barak do have the capacity to intercerpt dumb round???( * note , i did not say saturation attack )

I susgested that the one most important factor of a mobile air defense unit is to be able to engage air threats coming at all direction at anytime , which includes surprise missile attacks eg ATGMs.(* note , i did not say saturated attack ) ( if have the capacity to down an ATGM isnt it a bonus?)

Trust mi , if the missile defense system can provide a screen agaisnt enemy ATGM , the enemy's aircraft can be easily toast .....

My take is that the HUMRAAM isnt the idea plateform for mobile air-defense of armour group , based on my three arguements.

foxtrout8 SG

who the hell in the world has implemented it... against aircrafts and heli >>Yes .... but against ATGM and Arty rounds??? NO. (or am i outdated??)

Ha lol , okok . Take it that no one implemented on the protection agaisnt top attack ATGM , cant i implement it????

MushyMaro SG

ok ok… now… say i now fire “SMART” but cheap ATGMs… and every Barak intercepted each and every ATGMs… so how many Baraks are you going to take along with you into the field? How many Radars? What about the Ground clutter? ATGM dun fly so high in the air also… u know that? and how fast can they keep up with the movement of the group? and ermh.. our friend UP there has thick foilage also… well… i think the only way to be safe is to be unseen… to the electronic eyes.

Moonstriker SG

The Phalanx CIWS or something similar might to the job for engaging dumb rounds but need a suitable platform for it....
few 20mm rounds for a 155mm shell n a few armoured vehicles... reasonable teadeoff...

foxtrout8 SG

Most ATGM are operated top attack or line of sight mode. ATGM can be engaged by the baraks as the Baraks are built to do so. U onli require one radar for it and btw if the foilage is too think up north then dun even think of enaging aircraft.......

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Friend, you dun try to shoot down 155mm rounds, you shoot the launcher with counter-battery... if they cna get off 500 rounds at your and you can't put counter battery back, something is already seriously wrong with your tatics...

The malaysian MBTs are hunks of junk pieces of useless and overpriced metal that can be summed up in a phrase:

paper tiger, which sums up most of their other military overspent and under utilized systems...

foxtrout8 SG

Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:
Friend, you dun try to shoot down 155mm rounds, you shoot the launcher with counter-battery... if they cna get off 500 rounds at your and you can't put counter battery back, something is already seriously wrong with your tatics...

The malaysian MBTs are hunks of junk pieces of useless and overpriced metal that can be summed up in a phrase:

[b]paper tiger, which sums up most of their other military overspent and under utilized systems...[/b]

Hey hey , nv did i mention abt shooting down 155mm....

Moonstriker SG

i was the one….