RMAF Purchase F/A-18F & Su-30MKM A Threat?

last SG · 2003-01-11T23:10:44+00:00

2 RMAF nice looking F-18D taking off..

eurofighter SG

Yes and if we get that, we will be assured of the RBE2 AESA radar and possibly CFT.

duotiga83 SG

ain't we discuss this b4? wait till the RFP this yr then say.... Wink

eurofighter SG

Reading back past posts, i found one written by tripwire saying that the late batch of RSAF F-16C/Ds have thrust vectoring nozzels.This is a surprise to me as currently the only planes in service that have this are the F/A-22, Su-30 and MIG-29. Already, the news of RSAF F-16D having the spine has got many around excited and RSAF is the second operator. If our F-16 do have such thrust vectoring nozzels, this news would have shaken the earth as we would be the first operator of F-16 to have such a thing. However, there is no nws around. One can identify such nozzels as they usually droop down while stationary. However, i have seen none that have this feature. Operators and would-be operators of improved F-16(Block 50+) including Greece, Chile, Poland etc do not have such nozzels on their planes and nether UAE’s block 60 F-16, the most advanced variant have that. If we really have that, ours would be the most advanced F-16 currently around.

duotiga83 SG

eerr...our vipers engine is no TVC capability....read carefully.....

duotiga83 SG

Reading back past posts, i found one written by tripwire saying that the late batch of RSAF F-16C/Ds have thrust vectoring nozzels.
tripwire...can u enlight mi? i have no news on tt...

This is a surprise to me as currently the only planes in service that have this are the F/A-22, Su-30 and MIG-29.
current fulcrums have no tvc cap into service yet..onli in prototype: mig29ovt

eurofighter SG

I not sure who post it but i thought it was tripwire. It’s on the 22nd page of the topic Singapore At War in the Speaker’s Corner forum. I am quite negative our f-16s have that.

duotiga83 SG

shall we c the nozzle carefulli?

obvously our viper have no aven or tvc cap. yet. if have power liao....

duotiga83 SG

another pic....

eurofighter SG

So its quite confirm we do not have that.

duotiga83 SG

we onli have uprated engines 4 our vipers onli...not tvc

eurofighter SG

Is that considered a hardened aircraft shelter(HAS)?

MushyMaro SG

Erm... regarding the topic on the tvc... it seems to be an "obsolete" theory... with the existance of all aspect missile and Helmet HUD there is no more requirement of tvc... note that tvc will cos extreme stress on the aircraft structure and weapon system. The pilots will also have to be trained to handle extra G forces....

tvc are only good when guns are the only weapons left... however please note that if dogfighting is to happen the war is already lost for singapore...

do u agree on this??? Question

MushyMaro SG

did i see a Spitfire at the back??? where was this taken?? in an open house in USA??? but.. howcome.... Wink Wink Wink

eurofighter SG

No it is photographed in Darwin. Probably a deployment for an exercise there.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

TVC is good! Even with all aspect missiles. Any pilot can tell you that.

In a closeup dogfight the US set up to study VIFF involving slow, lumbering Harriers vs. F-14s, the Harriers won an amazing 23 out of 25 engagements using VIFFing.

But of course, dun have to get all obessed about it. Dogfighting is here to stay, not all engagements can be blotted out at 30km with AMRAAMs and a lot of situtation will cause up to end up having to dogfight. In such a case, TVC will be an advantage.

As for the hemelt sights, you can hardly turn your head when pulling moderate Gs, getting the bandit in front of you is still a good thing.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

On G forces, I think in some cases, TVC actually reduce the need for high G manuvers. Doing J turns rather then high energy turns are far easier on the pilot, and far faster too. TVC gives you added nimbleness at any attitude or speed for sure.

I'm not sure what the SU-30's cobra is good for though, if that's the reson the malaysias bought it for. The manuver is only useful at targets above and infront and slowing down fast, but can only be preformed when the plane is light and not ladened with fuel or bombs.

Shotgun SG

About the TVC. It is ONLY rumored that Singapore bought the sole VISTA/MATV F-16.

"The 10 F-16D Block 52 aircraft ordered in 1994 have the same dorsal fairing as the Israeli IF-16D and the sole VISTA aircraft. It is rumored to house the SPS-3000 EW suite. The dorsal spine in all type versions of Israeli (4K-CK), Singapore (DB) and the VISTA test bed aircraft were designed, mocked up, fabricated and installed during regular routine assembly while these aircraft were on the production line in Ft. Worth. " www.f-16.net

Just try to notice if you have the chance, for an F-16 with 2 flight stick. One on the usual position, the right, and one more centre stick.

cavsg SG

the above statement doesn't show that spore bought the vista a/c, it says we share the same design as it.

cavsg SG

Although research on the TVC by PW has been abandoned and never reach production stage. Its possible that RSAF may have tested idea given its inclination to upgrade its aircraft to the best configuration possible. but we will never see it in broad daylight due to sensitivity.

cavsg SG

boeing is only keeping the F-15 program alive just to create jobs at its plants. technically the super hornet can fill in what the eagle can do. so if m'sia buy super hornets, we can't buy too?

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