Man jailed for self defence

last SG · 2006-03-15T15:19:20+00:00

A side note, was Kan Ting Chiu the presiding judge?

^spidee^ SG

No he did not have the intention. That's why he was sentenced to culpable homicide and not murder, wasn't he?

zerocool85 SG

is there such thing as public protest?

to sign a petition or something?

i mean.. i dont think that man is wrong for self defense..

err.. is he still in jail?

Aveme SG

So A's existent never affected C's intention so why should he be in this? You did not even answered this yet you brought A into the picture to decide on C's action

Also in the first place, why should he even be guilty of culpable homicide if he is forced by the circumstances to do it? We are not arguing whether he is guilty of murder or not. We are arguing that he should not be even guilty of culpable homicide since he never intented to do that.

This is the same as mentally disturbed people being non guilty of crimes if they did commited any cos they did not know what they were doing.This defendent was also mentally disturbed enough to want to defence himself at any cost,he did not want to commit any crime.

^spidee^ SG

I brought A in cos you misunderstood me when I said he attacked B but why wasn't he arrested? He started the whole episode.

I see this going nowhere, and I respect your opinion just as I hope you respect mine, so I'm not commenting further.

Xcert SG

what has luck got to do with intentionally committing a crime?

I would say that its a miscarriage of justice. Rolling Eyes

hisoka SG

omg having a weapon = unfair advantage when you were attacked???

wtf so pple attack you when you have a pencil in hand you have to throw the pencil away? stupid law.

still dun understand why must punish him. kill pple to protect himself when pple attack him and he is in no position to be sure he wont be hurt otherwise is wrong.....

but then again i guess we argue here also no use. the stupid government even if we send letter and kao pei in public also no use one.

mamamamama SG

2 v 1 leh.. he also got no stun.. how to zhao

zhaozhilong SG

This is bullshit.

Anyone watched the movie "Wolf Creek" recently?

The two girls would have escaped death if they whacked the villain while he was injured and unconscious on the ground. But no, they let him live and eventually he hunted the two girls down and slaughtered them like animals (actually worse than animals).

I am not saying that we should hit back at our attackers with the intention to kill. But, when you are being attacked and you gain some kind of advantage for a second, it is perfectly logical that you will try to make use of that advantage to further weaken your attacker SO THAT he is not able to recover immediately and ATTACK YOU AGAIN.

Self-defense doesn't mean just being passive and try to block every blow from the attacker (no human in this world can block every blow from anybody). You will get killed eventually if you let your attacker repeatedly assault you. Self-defense is trying to take away your attacker's ability to continue assaulting you, and sometimes the best way to ensure that is if the attacker is injured and stopped.

cyrusv SG

WE HUMAN are very cunning, so we shud kill at the very moment! but dun kill in singapore, cupable homicide, i consider light for that guy laio lor! assault with a weapon is offensive leh Shocked

binZ SG

Confused

digicharat SG

lets say some one decided to steal my stuff. but i realised and gave chase. then i pin him down and break one of his arm. how?
am i at fault?

LazerLordz SG

Free the chap at once. Mad

surfer188 SG

I feel both are wrong. Just too bad the attacker died.

There are points of argue. The judge may not have trusted "He Forgot to take out the knife after Fishing." To me it really seems just a lie trying to get away.

Singapore Law is "You are Guilty until you are proven Innocent. (With Evidence Not Words)"

That poor guy cannot prove his innocent. He can say he is been attacked, but it's just words against words. The judge may not believe lesser number equals to been attacked as in this case. It's also been fair to impose jail terms as a life is lost. The judge may have believe that he did not excecise enough self-control before his self-defence. Excecise self-control example running away from trouble, warning with his weapons in the first place & make lesser/non-vital injury to others.

Pure bad luck there is no way this case can be bought to balance.

Bottom of the line:
If you have a weapon & in a situation like this, don't stabbed. Warnings with the show of the weapon. If out of self-defence, make surface cuts (Slash) on non-vital places only.

That poor guy did not warn with the weapon in the first place. Secondly who is really the attacker? What if the situations was turn around? He bought a knife to attack but found out there is more then he can handle & tries to run away?

ubermagicseller SG

There is nothing wrong with having a knife in your pocket.

So what if the deceased had fallen to the ground? You dont take chances in such situation.

This is SINGAPORE

ndmmxiaomayi SG

I guess most never saw that he took drugs. Even the judge missed out this point. That’s why the sentence is harsh.

lwflee SG

Don't stab? Show of weapon as a warning? Make cuts on non-vital places?

Hardly practical advice. When someone is kicking the sh1t out of me, I am not sure I would be able to decide what method of attack to use. Should I stab? Naaaaah. I'll slash...hang on... is the arm a vital part? The veins seem quite big. Oh...right...only on the outside of the forearm...NOT the inside...and Never longitudinally...don't want to cause too much damage to the veins...wait a minute...He's not playing ball! He just keeps coming at me...maybe a stab..no ....slashing his torso would be fine...wait...fuckin' hell...he just never gives up...How about his legs...nope Big artery in the thigh...Arrrgh...now i've gone and lost the fecking knife...greeeeat...wait...stop stabbing me!

You get what I mean. Only thing to learn from this episode is: You are only allowed to use as much force as is neccessary to protect yourself. Once there is no longer threat or you are allowed to run away, RUN.

losers.inc SG

CANT YOU GUYS GET IT ? HE HAS $50K in HIS WALLET . WHY YOU THINK HE SO HIONG ?

ShutterBug SG

There is a very large blood vessel in our thighs - puncture it, & you will bleed to death loosing large quantities of blood.

NewAge SG

aiiiiiiiiii hope when he appeal to the president he will gain pardon and reduce the jail term.

hisoka SG

of course if the truth was not reported there are doubts but as i said assuming the report was true. whether he can prove, i don't know and unless you have the details of what the judge said i doubt you do too(maybe he had witnesses??).

but you just provided us with mroe information about how dumb and impractical the bloody law is.
exercise self control by running? unfortunately i see this as a wise course but in this case he ran and met them again. + sometimes if you know you cannot run fast no point running.
warnings with a show of weapon is dumb when you are being attacked. there isn't time if the pple are really hitting you already the only thing you can do with a weapon is whip it out in the same motion slashing/attacking.
unless you are skilled with the weapon or are very calm, aiming to just make sruface wounds is ridiculous to say the least.

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