Are beating of female students in secondary school allowed??

LazerLordz SG

You should have made a police report for threatening behavior.Having it on record is alright, since your cheating case was already dealt with and closed in the school's summary discipline records.

fudgester SG

Honestly, you had cheated, and you did deserve to get punished. However, for the principal to threaten you if you complained to your parents and having such bad injuries... that's too much.

You ought to have reported the incident to MOE at that point in time when the injuries were still fresh and memories were still clear. You can still report, but right now your case won't be as strong as before.

798 SG

be glad you are not suspended. anyway it is betta to let matters rest.

dork3d SG

Cruxes of the issue:

Punishment over the mistake made over cheating is justified and you admitted it's your mistake in doing so.

Primary punishment with a steel ruler seems a bit too much with 25 times, depending with the amount of strength used in carrying out the punishment, resulting in skin tear and bleeding. There should be a maximum punishment for such an offence.

According to MOE's guidelines, should the punished student's area of impact be resulted in open wound (in this case is already an open wound but yet the principal carried on), the punishment would be suspended or postponed.

The principal had also warned you not to inform your parents or complain. You need to ascertain whether the tone the principal speaked is in a threatening tone (e.g. loud and suggestive). If it's as such, on reasonable grounds with witnesses' statements, you should report such instances to MOE, Academics Division.

Honestly speaking, the principal didn't carry out a fair investigation on the complaining parent and if you should be found to be the one, your parents should be informed and an appointment should be arranged so it's more transparent. Should you be required for punishment, counselling should be the first option rather than any form of primary punishment be meted out. In your case, the principal is in an outright abuse of powers as stated in your record.

By the way, is there any form of links between the parent and the school like the parent is a Honourary member of the school's Parent Committee, School's Board of Members or anything? If so, it could be clearly an act of pacification for the parent.

cyrusv SG

YOu better don;t report, u would get balcklisted for O level. MOE consist of teacher, so they help each other. Dun be stupid! just do sumthing else more legal agaist her, maybe a video or photo then post on internet, use a shell email client then u would not get caught. I used to write stuff bout my school Twisted Evil

Aveme SG

shut up lah,childish kid

all along you are still thinking you were not in anyway wrong,just that it was your rotten luck that got you into trouble.Confronting the person who reported you make you so right aye? If you think the principal deserve punishment for abusing her authority,i hope MOE will give you further heavy punishment and blacklist you when you bring up the case.

LazerLordz SG

She admitted her mistake.Punishment meted out.

School overstepped boundaries when principal threatened her with de jure force.

~leXX SG

I believe two wrongs does not make a right. Sure the kid may have made a mistake in cheating but there should be a reformative element in any punishment that the principal wants to mete out to the student. In this case I think injuring the student and leaving her in a cast goes way beyond trying to reform the student and getting her to see the error of her ways. In addition, warning the students not to tell their parents might mean that the school principal knew that her method was wrong (or maybe she can't be bothered to deal with noisy, complaining parents). I think there will be fair-minded and objective people in MOE who will hear both sides' stories out if the student decides to persue the matter.

To the student: I suggest you take up the matter with the appropriate authorities. Lodge a police report and a letter to MOE. If you have eye-witnesses and medical reports and if what you say is completely true then you should have no fear.

Aveme SG

if she really truely admited to her mistake? why should she confront the person who reported her?

Shows that she is adamant that she was never in the wrong in the first place,just that she was unlucky enough to be reported by this girl and thus thinking it is righteous for her to confront this girl and give her a scolding?

The girl who was confronted and given a scolding is likely to have complained it to her parents about the bullying and it is only right that her parents complained to the school.

While it is true that the principal had overstepped her authority,it is also true that the threadstarter in the first place did deserved more punishment just that it is now too severe.

dork3d SG

MOE won't blacklist students and prohibits them to take their exams, and neither the teachers could help each other as their actions are answerable to the Teacher's Society, which in turn reports to MOE on their regularities.

Most systems under MOE are very transparent now and nothing would be swept under the carpet. In cases of claims, MOE will send Inspectorates to investigate the claims, report their findings to the Director of Inspectorates which will then submit the final report of findings to the Board of Directors (like judges in courts) for actions.

UltimaOnline SG

Then my principal whacked me using a metal ruler 25 times in front of two classes until my hand skin tear and bled. It was also the mid year exams period and i could not write properly. the swollening of my hands also affected my joints. The pain did not fade for two months until august when the wrist was sort of disconnected from the joint and i had to wear a cast. (my vb playing made it worse). Are female students allowed to be caned in school publicly??? what should i do about this?[/b]

This is not merely a matter of male or female, caning publicly or privately. To whack your hands with a metal ruler until bleeding, and to (even if indirectly) causing pain for two months and causing the wrist to be disconnected... this kind of punishment is 100% not acceptable by the Ministry of Education.

You are in Sec 3 now, which means you still have 2 years left in the school before you graduate. You have to carefully consider and decide whether you wish to complain against your principal or not. If your hand is now fully healed, you might want to play it safe and complain only after you graduate, or forgive your principal if she improves her behaviour. However, if your principal (is her first name Elaine?) is still carrying out such unacceptable punishments against students, then you might want to get your parent to complain to the Ministry of Education. (Ask your parent to call their phone number, and ask to speak to someone in MOE about this.)

I am a teacher in a Secondary school (not yours though). If it was in my school, I would not stand by and let students be abused like this, even if it is by the principal. Trust me when I say that the actions of your principal, as you described it, will not be tolerated by the Ministry of Education, especially by the current Minister for Education, Tharman Shanmugaratnam.

fishyang SG

i scolded that gal who reported me because out of so many people who cheated. she only reported me. whcih meant she did it like for personal joy. i was then interrogated and forced to write down those who had cheated in the test as well. We cheated by askin the previous class what were the questions that were coming out in the common test.

dork3d SG

Me agreed! He's good!

Michaeled SG

wow, talk about teacher’s pet. i’ve had a girl like that during my sec school days. she always tell on almost everything. even card games during recess or eating in class. man, she must love seeing everyone being punished but herself.

Quinsy SG

You can report her. Only suspension or detention is allowed for females. And what's more, you sustained injuries because of taht which affected you in your exams. I strongly suggest you report taht to MOE. Wink

zheshi SG

I believe u can report her ba, since she hit u till your hands bled and skin tore. But before u decided to report her, ask yourself if u are in the wrong in the first place. what done is done, i believe this incident happen quite long ago le correcT? just let it cool down ba.. after all she has a job to earn a living.

SMAPLionHeart SG

question is , is threadstarter a well behaved person? with a good track record? we need to have the principal’s side of the story

SMAPLionHeart SG

My classmate didn't even say anything when a book was thrown by the teacher from the 4th floor to the first floor

fudgester SG

That's besides the point.

Well-behaved or not, good past conduct or not, the behaviour of the principal in meteing out violent vigilante justice without due process is highly unacceptable. We live in a civil society which does not tolerate kangaroo justice.

By all means punish the cheater, but not at the cost of causing injuries like that.

fishyang SG

I was twenty eight in the level in secondary one and i got into the best class 2E that very year i was punished. i do have bad records like going out ot seven eleven during free period and using handphone in class. Other than that, i am a quiet student who is dilogent and always does homework.

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