City harvest invitation!!

last SG · 2005-06-11T01:25:12+00:00

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coffeeortea SG

the problem is.. when we say something about chc.. we have proof.. but what does chc have to say about other churches?? nothing?

MrBach SG

I deny that your so-called 'church' has any authentic mission from God; and I deny your claim that your 'pastor' has any sort of authority legitimately to speak on God's behalf.

Your dancing in the aisles (and the other antics you engage in during the services of your so-called 'church') are reprehensible to me; and I am sure that they serve to defame Christ in the eyes of the unbelieving.

You have mistake your carnal exuberance for true worship, and you are utterly deceived in thinking that any criticism of your so-called 'church' or 'pastor' would be tantamount to a criticism of God Himself.

You have the shameless audacity to tell us that you 'dance' during your services, do you?

Truly shameless..I am at a loss for words.

I will do my utmost to warn everyone I know, about your ridiculous 'church'.

Ben

Ps. Fugue, be on your guard in relation to 'Christians' like them.

Chin Eng SG

Wahhhh.. steady pom pee pee... solid.... I agree utmostly.... Laughing

MrBach SG

Why does it 'look weird or strange' to you?

Why should it be 'best not to say anything' if what seems 'weird or strange to me' is defamatory of the cause of Christ?

I could care less that you don't 'condemn other churches'; what matters is that you do what you do and then claim that Christ sanctions it or authorises it or otherwise approves of it; and yet when a certain prominent representative of your 'church' sees fit to appear in public (albeit not in Singapore, perhaps) whilst clad in immodest attire, your church does not appear to take her to task for her conduct in this regard or issue a public condemnation of her conduct in this regard.

Let me ask you a point-blank question: does your 'church' teach that the aforesaid person's conduct in the aforesaid regard HAS THE APPROVAL OF CHRIST?

YES OR NO?

DON'T EVADE THE QUESTION

Ben

vito_corleone SG

woa..someone just got post-raped. Laughing

dO|pH|n3 a.k.a JaMiE SG

Up to your to think loh. I got nothing to say abolut your thinking. If you think you are a true christian, you should'nt be posting here.

Really waste my breathe. If you don't believe, then forget it.

If you are a christian, and furthermore you condemn CHC. You think you really is a christian. You are just a talk big no action people. Did God say you can condemn people. Did God say it is right to condemn people/church?

You just don't like to dance,does'nt mean it is wrong to dance before HIM

You are serving a living God and not a dead God.
The action you do say a lot.

M©+square SG

Mr. Green Oki doki.

ha8n SG

wah ,u saying all non b. goes to hell

coffeeortea SG

wow.. so true christians cannot post here? so you're not a true christian too? whats wrong with condemning? you mean christians cant condemn? well then.. did god say you CANNOT condemn people/church? what the Fuck is wrong with you. wow, christians deprived of so many things? cant condemn about anything, cant criticise or give their self opinion on anything? then why the Fuck do you want to make life so hard for yourself by being a christian if you cant do all those?

dO|pH|n3 a.k.a JaMiE SG

MrBach

You think you are great or what? By telling others, you are backstabbing and furthermore. You can be a great stabber better. YOU DO NOT HAVE PROOF. If have, show me all the documents you got.

Prophecy_Master SG

tell god to speak to me, if he does i belive in him that chc is clean Wink

blunt_knife SG

Dont know why. But the first word that comes to mind when someone mentions CHC, is not christian. It's some other word Laughing

blunt_knife SG

Ya ok. CHC! CHC! CHC! CHC! IS THE BEST! Happy now? Evil or Very Mad

coffeeortea SG

i am utterly disappointed to tell you that you are a retard

blunt_knife SG

Wouldn't singapore become hell then?[/b]

blunt_knife SG

Maybe you expected too much from a chc devout

vito_corleone SG

Originally posted by blunt_knife:

Wouldn't singapore become hell then?[/b]

with such ridiculously priced cars, houses, NS and government control..isnt it already somewhat a hell? Laughing

vito_corleone SG

so what if he thinks he's great? Laughing at least he's not mentally deficient.

MrBach SG

1) I won't reply to your comment about how 'true Christians shouldn't be posting here' because I think that it is patently ridiculous.

Suffice it to say, there is nothing about this forum that in and of itself would suggest to me that it would be wrong if I were to 'post here'; just as there is nothing that would be in principle wrong with my communicating with persons who may not agree me with on every issue.

2) I am not going to judge anyone in a way in which it might be reserved to God alone to judge him (and that would be to judge him as regards the state of his soul, with a view to deciding whether or not he has been numbered amongst the elect); but I am certainly going to judge the moral quality of his deeds.

Christ has asked us to be wary of the false prophets, and to test them by their fruits; and I submit that testing them in this way would require us to examine carefully the claims that they make for themselves to represent Christ, and to examine as well the moral quality of whatever they do or sanction.

So God certainly has told us that we can and should engage in sifting the true from the false; and it follows therefore that if 'CHC' does not authentically represent Christ (that is, we believe that it fails to represent Him because of what we perceive is the morally and theologically objectionable character of its practices and teachings), we would then be bound to expose 'CHC' as an organisation that has inaccurately styled itself as a 'church'.

3) So if I object to your dancing before God, would that imply that I think of God as 'dead', as opposed to 'living'?

There is nothing in principle wrong with dancing when it is considered as a form of artistic expression; but the sort of indecorous dancing that occurs in your sanctuary can hardly be considered to be a specimen of authentic artistic expression.

Moreover, even if it is in itself morally legitimate for a person spontaneously to peform a dance (say, upon being told that the woman he has proposed to, has finally agreed to marry him), I believe nonetheless that there are contexts in which it would be immoral for him to engage in this activity and that one of these contexts would certainly be the very public context of a sanctuary wherein Christians have assembled to worship God.

In such a context, the kind of dancing you engage in will not be just witnessed by God Himself, but also by the people by whom you should be surrounded; more particularly, the sort of music which elicits this dancing (and the character itself of the dancing in question) makes it evident to any reasonable person that this whole business of 'dancing before God' which you and your 'church' sanction, is very much an affair of the senses: specifically, an affair of providing and then glutting your senses with so rapidly changing and bewilderingly vast an array of auditory and visual stimuli, that you find yourself carried over with your carnal exuberance into forms of behaviour that are likely to strike the cursory observer as unbecomingly sensual, but which you yourself would want to present to him as an expression and indeed index of your 'holiness' and your 'love of God'.

4) You want evidence, do you?

The evidence is to be had in the form of your various postings here and in the form as well of publicly accessible information about your church, its teachings and the way it conducts its services.

Finally, YOU HAVE YET TO RESPOND TO MY DIRECT QUESTION (WHICH ITSELF IS BASED ON A PIECE OF IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE).

WAS THE PUBLIC DRESSING OF A PROMINENT REPRESENTATIVE OF 'CHC' (i.e. the dress in which she was photograped, with the relevant photographs appearing in the media) A SIN OR NOT?

WAS SHE DRESSING HERSELF UP FOR GOD?

PLEASE STOP EVADING THE QUESTION; ALL OF US IN THIS FORUM WANT TO SEE YOU ANSWER IT.

Ben

theoronin SG

Okay. I was participating in another forum in a discussion on Christianity with non-believers. I am in agreement with MrBach on the issue of judgment. Let me elaborate more on this with some of my points.

False Teachings
There are many warnings found in the Bible that show some people would try to promote false teachings and lead people away from the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Judgment
One of the most misinterpreted Bible verses is Matthew 7:1-2. It is written: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." What many fail to realize is that it is a warning against hypocritical judgment. It is not against judgment per se.

In many parts of the Bible, Christians are called to judge and to discern between right and wrong teachings, as well as to discern between true and false prophets. In Luke 7:43, Jesus said: "You have judged correctly." And in 1 Corinthians 10:15, "I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say." The original Greek word krinō, which means to judge, is used in Matthew 7:1-2, Luke 7:43 and 1 Corinthians 10:15.

In 1 John 4:1, it is written: "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." Ephesians 5:11 says, "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them." In 1 Thessalonians 5:21, it is written: "Test everything. Hold on to the good."

If we Christians are to obey these Biblical teachings, then we are to judge. It would be impossible to do so without judging.

Background & Exhortation
I have been in a pro-charismatic church for many years and I believe I have an idea of what the City Harvesters are going through. The rule of worship should not be determined by how you think or what Kong Hee says. The rule of worship is found in the Bible. The Bible should be your only guide in respect to your behavior as a Christian. If you do not follow what the Bible prescribed, you will be guilty of mocking God in your worship. Therefore, please tread carefully.

Please keep this saying in mind, "Soli Deo Gloria," which means all glory to God alone. Worship should be God-centered, not Man-centered. It is not City Harvest Church that converts the unbelievers. It is God who works through the preaching of the Biblical gospel of Jesus Christ. Preach the gospel, not preach City Harvest.

To the City Harvesters, it is very important that you study the Bible carefully and test the teachings of Kong Hee against what the Bible says. Follow what the Bereans did in Acts 17:11. Read the Bible in context, making sure that those teachings by Kong Hee are not contradicted by other parts of the Bible. I have read for myself Kong Hee's teachings and have discovered many theological contextual mistakes that should not have been committed by a pastor at Kong Hee's level. Therefore, I hope you will seriously study the Word of God and see what the rest of us Bible-believing Christians see.

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