some cases 'FT' is better than local

last SG · 2006-01-16T06:59:25+00:00

its true. just take a look at what goes on at a crowded car park; the incessant and unncessary honking, the impatience and quarrels over parking lots, the i...

CenturionMBT SG

I disagree. it is society that is brings out the person. Not any fixed system. Afterall i have been to 3rd world nations where life is really tough but yet the people are simple and friendly. In fact if you are talking about the system we are in, all educators in this system have been trying to teach the students to be gracious. But most efforts are destroyed by the kids parents themselves. So are you saying that the system itsn't making an effort to change the mindset?

newmanmback SG

sits should be given to girls ladies and the old...be a gentlemen. how u know he FT? u see his IC or pass? if he know u and u know him then he giv up sit for face lah git it Question

as for sg guys...we serve NS...ain't that gentle enuff

poasdft SG

Its not your society but family upbringing which matters.

ShutterBug SG

While true that children are brought up by parents, and education system "attempts" to inculcate grace, it's the prevailing unbending policies, rules, and system that governs living in Singapore, that makes people grow up "un-bending" (or self-preserving) as well.

BrUtUs SG

no need FT la, sg also got la... its jz a matter of own morality...

Fatum SG

Hmmm ..... I'm curious now ....

to the thread-starter .... FTs and FWs come from many different countries ...

which particular "sub-species" of FT were you talking about ? .... Confused

I think it's a bit of a generalization to say that ALL FTs have a better "heart" than Singaporeans eh ? ....

coffeeortea SG

thats why their foreign TALENTS..

Ito_^ SG

chio boh? Very Happy

Glen999 SG

i don't generalize..

but i think in this particular case, FT tends to give seats to needy people while singaporeans don't do it as often as FT.

so, singaporeans have to improve lah.. especially those working ladies and school girls... who just know how to spruce up themselves, buying Gucci, LV... but don't give up seats...

(i tend to see more singpaore guys giving seat then girls)

DriftingGuy SG

I disagree with the FTs tending to give up seats. Its generalisation. I seen FTs taking up seats meant for the elderly with an old man hovering nearby... Morality has no race or nationality

Glen999 SG

Chances:
i see FT giving up seats to needy more than singaporeans giving up seats.

of course, i do see FT not giving up seats. Aagain, i see singaporeans not giving up seat more than FT loh.

Glen999 SG

today, 8:45pm Bus 36 towards city:

An old lady stood in front of a young 20+ chinese lady. (long hair, wear red short-sleeve shirt and pants).

The old lady stood there for 15 minutes before the young chinese lady alighted at Suntec.

newmanmback SG

today in the train an old lady stood in front of me i bochap her.
the next day in the train the old lady stood in front of me but beside me sit a digusting indian lady...i giv the sit to the old lady because i buay tahana the indian lady
the third day the same lady stood in front of me again and i gav up the sit to her coz i tio toto happy that day so giv up sit lor
the fourth day i also giv up sit because see so many ppl compliant here i want good image myself lor
the fifth day i dun giv up sit because not happy not shiok that day again mood swiing
the sixth day i cannot giv up sit to the old lady coz she dead Mr. Green

irage SG

My observation tends to show the imported Indian tends to give up seats readily to elderly while our SG citizen tends to act blind. I guess it is part of our up bringing. Like what some of the SGforumers mentioned, most of the episodes that I have seem were most nicely dressed ladies acting blind, but these are the minority disgraceful, ugly Singaporean.

Instead of just discussed about them, let us all do the kind acts to others first.
lest that is what I am doing... Smile

AF2005 SG

it up to individual, local or foreigner. i have seen many Foreigner rush for seats to make their fare worth every cent.

to give up seats is up to individuals. If tired and sick or leg pain, why must give up seat? Only need to give up seat to those that need it more than you.

AF2005 SG

i have also seen many that give up seats, but it still a shame in our society there are many who still acted like that, refuse to give up seats to needy that need them more.

SAme as in buses, neighbourhood schools students refuse to move back even when told. i think it starts from there.

Li Ka Shing SG

I would like to bring to your attention a grave and serious issue.

It is an issue of age discrimination. You all are guilty of it. Please spend some time thinking about this.

When young people sit, they are discriminated against if an older person is around and is standing. Why is this so?

Please remember the seats are meant for everyone. It is a public utility. Everyone pays the fare. Everyone has the same rights or obligation.

Whoever comes first, will be served first. Simple principle. It is fair and just if a younger person come first and sit first. Or whoever, insert whatever criteria here: younger, older, fatter, thinner, richer, poorer, male, female, any racial group, etc.

When you say a younger person should give up his/ her seat to an older person, you take away the principle of equality.

This giving up seat for an older person is just a completely discretionary act from any individual. There is no such established norm or envalidated social consensus, much less taken as a rule or a must. This depends whether an individual want to or not. It's not an obligation.

If an individual doesn't want to, don't judge.

In fact I find further fault in this. You not only discriminate against the younger person, but also the older person unwittingly. Are you saying he is old and weak and useless? You are stereotyping based on his age. You are looking down on him. This actually harms them. Older people need a sense of self-worth more than you. They dont need to step into a bus or train to be pitied by younger people and be specially chosen, based on his old age, to sit. What do you think this will do to their psychology? Subconsciously they will really believe they are old and weak, and cant stand on public transport. Do u think this really help them?

Please think abt this.

And this thread has further negative poison. What does someone's nationality, FT or local, and someone's gender/ age has to do with anything? Young 20s ladies with nice clothes, slim. So? FT. So? Are you looking down on young slim ladies? Are you stereotying and discriminating them? And did u originally had a negative stereotype on FTs, and now think they are not so bad afterall as u had thought?

What's the original intention again? I thought it was completely way off from any good intention. I thought the thread's idea was meant as a kind of social grace campaign, but actually it's full of social disgrace.

Glen999 SG

i didn't mean to stereotype any groups. I just mentioned what i saw and up to the 'intelligent' yourself to judge.

Equality? I don't think about equality. I just think from old people's point of view. Some old folks can walk/stand but they are weak or their recovery rate is not as fast as young people.

When buses start to move / stop, old people may have higher chance to fall down. When they fall down, they may have bone fracture. ( e.g. my friend's ah ma, she fell down in her house and have to spend her entire life in wheel chair).

Well, i just want to bring this awareness to people .
And i don't want anyone of us be the cause for an old ah ma to spend her life in wheelchair.

You can still stick to your theory of equality!!! but before thinking of equality, think about the old folks, think about that you may be one of them when you are old.

newmanmback SG

no la if i say ft good all the ft tomorrow i go work will praise me lor...if i say they not good they all look at me like enemy lor...same for lcoals and pretty zc ladies....its like for some ppl toplaytheir propaganda heads they win tails u loose.......

yeh STEREOTYPE ...that's how the word came about wif a meaning...without thread starter stereotyping...there may never be stereotyping ever in this world Mr. Green

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