Christian dun believe in Darwin's

Shotgun SG

I thought I already explained why whales with legs were found. Cos they were made that way. How simple can an explanation get?

U see, the entire evolution theory was thought of by a man who refused to believe in God. He came up with an alternate theory to the origin of life.

Of course, I cannot answer all the question why this creature is like that or why that creature is like that. Simply cos I am not the one who created them.

I've not been presenting theories. It is evolution that has been presenting theories, hence it is evolution's side of the fence that has to constantly come up with supposed evidence and co-relation to its theory. I am merely stating the fact that those theories are constantly change, constantly being debunked by its own theories to the extent that evolution cannot be called a fact?

Its like a history of an event that is being constantly re-written. How can we call that history accurate if its always being re-written?

ha8n SG

what if ur are completely right, so guess that

u must love GOD a lot more than u believe him har

Icemoon SG

Ah .. doesn't it bother you how can there be evening and morning before the sun was even created? Wink

Shotgun SG

Ha8n, dun really understand what that meant.

I am arguing this as much as possible as neutral scientific pov as possible. After understanding how evolution theory was first concieved, later added, and constantly shifting, I would not believe it even if I did not believe in God. Scientifically, its has not been validated as a fact.

Just to supplement a bit on Charles Darwin's beliefs, the following is an excerpt of his thoughts on his theory of evolution and God.

Charles Darwin rejected both the positivistic outlook and the biblical literalism that were championed in his day. Although he is usually thought of as subversive to all creation theories, an examination of his personal writings and his major work, Origin of Species, shows this view to be incorrect. He related some themes of biblical theology to natural selection in a sophisticated manner. His formal education gave him excellent preparation for the religious aspects of this endeavor, since the only academic degree he ever earned was in theology, after a three-year course of study at Cambridge University. A main text in the curriculum was written by archdeacon William Paley. Decades later Darwin recalled: "I do not think I hardly ever admired a book more than Paleys Natural Theology. I could almost formerly have said it by heart."

He was initially to be a minister, hence his understanding in theology. After drifting away from his theological beliefs, he wrote his book, Origin of Species, perhaps out of spite, adamantly leaving out all trace of God.

Unfortunately, what I feel is this. Despite coming up with his theory, he still cannot explain what is "life." He may have come up with evolution, but he hasn't come up with an explanation to what life is. What is this "life" that seperates a live cell, and a dead cell. Is "life" just this little electrical discharge or something?

Even if evolution can explain where species evolved from, even if it was true... what began it all? What created the very first of everything?

Shotgun SG

haha, let me pose another question. Perhaps it may answer this question. He seperated light from darkness in the first day. But He only created the sun on the 4th day.

Hint: Think like a programmer.

crazy monkey SG

like tat also can. win oredi Laughing

Icemoon SG

what?

The sun wasn't instantiated until the 4th day? LOL all you programmers here have a good laugh pls. Laughing

Icemoon SG

of course can .. I do know something about the art of rhetoric. Mr. Green

but jokes aside .. that is an intelligent question to ask when you read the text seriously.

stupidissmart SG

As mentioned in the article. You can read up the process of carbon dating's calibration at your own leisure. The calibration process of raw BP dates itself is the moderation of the dates. Perhaps it is indeed justified to take in account of the 1950's increase in radioactivity levels and etc. But how can they justify calibration of pre-history data? And the fact is they do, in order to produce results closer to the benchmark called evolution.

U should read on how carbon dating is calibrated

http://www.rlaha.ox.ac.uk/O/calibration.php

unlike wat u say, it is calibrated with the rings of old trees. If u say tat tress with rings r not an accurate way of assessign age then I have nothing to say. So please read up more before accussing of them "cheating" and twisting information just to prove evolution

Overhype? Well, perhaps I did if they ancient egyptians had aids such as our modern day PC or cray super computers.

Is the mathematics for pyramid building tat difficult ? I think tat just because egytian build a pyramid then u can conclude the more older people r smarter is obviously a wrong conclusion

The difference from one species to another requires differences in the set of DNA creature have. Tho some species may have similar DNAs, remember that many creatures on this planet share similar characteristics with us too. Eg, many creatures have blood, bones and teeth.

The difference between a poodle and wolf maybe a variation of DNA, but the difference between a canine and a feline requires a differences in the set of DNAs.

If u wanna claim something, it may be better for u to read up and post some website for others to follow. Otherwise I do not understand wat u r trying to say or wat scientific knowledge u r claiming. Wat do u seek from the question ? U want evidences of macroevolution or u want to see tat a canine and a feline have different dna sequence ? Wat do u seek to see ?

Icemoon SG

Definitely smarter than you. Laughing

So you know the maths for pyramid building?

stupidissmart SG

I thought I already explained why whales with legs were found. Cos they were made that way. How simple can an explanation get?

I don't think u r answering anything. A normal whale don't need legs nor appear to have legs. Wat do u mean by "made tat way" ? The previous reply u say tat whales have legs before then it suddenly don't have legs now. Isn't tat already a good sign of evolution ? U r still using the theory of evolution in tis

U see, the entire evolution theory was thought of by a man who refused to believe in God. He came up with an alternate theory to the origin of life.

Why do u think evolution is thought by a man who refused to believe in god ? Why will honestly logcally and intelligent people believe tis as truth ? All these of wat u r saying r wild accusations. U r merely claiming tat those who believe in evolution r non-believers and they r just acting wilfully and not rationally.

Of course, I cannot answer all the question why this creature is like that or why that creature is like that. Simply cos I am not the one who created them.

In short u and probably creationist can't explain certain phenomenon which evolution can.

I've not been presenting theories. It is evolution that has been presenting theories, hence it is evolution's side of the fence that has to constantly come up with supposed evidence and co-relation to its theory. I am merely stating the fact that those theories are constantly change, constantly being debunked by its own theories to the extent that evolution cannot be called a fact?

Evolution has come out with evidence and hence it become a fact instead of theory. It has been stated many times tat evolution is a fact. On the other hand creationist r really "theories" since they come out with either terribly weak argument or naught.

Its like a history of an event that is being constantly re-written. How can we call that history accurate if its always being re-written?

When has evolution generally been constantly re-written ? The bible seems to be the one tat constantly re-write its policies ? (slavery, reading of bible, women rights, flat earth, sun revolves around earth, evolution)

stupidissmart SG

Last reply, need to go

Ah .. doesn't it bother you how can there be evening and morning before the sun was even created?

It create light in the fist day and in the fourth he create the sun simply to mark out the timeline. Animals and plants and men were created later, and if he don't follow his own timeline then tis god really contradict himself.

Again u r wildly accusing and attacking on another person who which u really have no knowledge on. Why do u think he wrote the book out of hate and not out of knowledge ? Or perhaps again u think the whole world is stupid and god hating tat is why they all agree with him. Your post is really just a personal attack on darwin

Even if evolution can explain where species evolved from, even if it was true... what began it all? What created the very first of everything?

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Evolution can't answer tat but nobody can either. Can u prove wat create the first of everything ?

Definitely smarter than you

So you know the maths for pyramid building?

No, but do u ? If not they r smarter than u as well Laughing I am just stating tat men already is making their own pyramid. There is no conclusion tat men from older times r smarter than modern man. Do u agree with tis statement ? Otherwise u really have nothing to talk about on tis.

Icemoon SG

Ah .. light from where? Alpha Centauri? (this is for Sid Meier's fans Cool )

I never knew Alpha Centauri gave us our definition of day and night. Laughing

No, but do u ? If not they r smarter than u as well I am just stating tat men already is making their own pyramid. There is no conclusion tat men from older times r smarter than modern man. Do u agree with tis statement ? Otherwise u really have nothing to talk about on tis.

Yeah yeah .. so you've fallen into my trap. They were smarter than us after all. Laughing

Shotgun's argument was that they did it even without modern computers. Both mathematical and engineering feat. Many of those constructions baffled us when we first examine them. If they were so "normal", then we shouldnt even be surprised.

No wonder some of us believe that aliens helped in the construction .. haha .. like Stargate and Predator fans. Laughing

skyfoo SG

y dun u say god build it? ah, i know, coz bible didnt mentions it.

skyfoo SG

den how did god create the gigantic sun? pls explain? heat up the big ball? lol

skyfoo SG

now now, may i know the definition of miracle? for all i know, there's no such occurance. as what i can define for miracle is an unexpected and thankful event happening. isnt it? like the gay cured of aids. it has nth to do with the non-existance god. just becoz something like this happen with the possibility of 0.00000001% happening dun mean that god performs a miracle on u.

may i den know what criteria or requirements are needed for a miracle? god's love? belief in god?

skyfoo SG

an advice from u to yourself. Laughing

skyfoo SG

den den, were u there when your "god" "created" the world? if not, dun claim creation took place. same logic right?

skyfoo SG

Originally posted by Icemoon:

Ah .. how to prove something really happened? Like how to verify whether Abraham tried to sacrifice Isaac? You are expecting history to be like science and maths?

You watched Date with Vampire? Houyi was actually Fuxi, Genghis Khan was actually Fuxi and all the crap. But yeah .. history the way we know it might not be right even.

Some things are just not recorded in history and have to be taken on faith.

how to prove god exist too besides your bible, the christian history book?

ha8n SG

ic , shot >> tot u really into this Providence beliefs as most like Charles

argue their existence in the first place

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