Hong Kong sets Minimum Wage - What one Singaporean thinks

last SG · 2010-09-11T00:40:44+00:00

Hi Parn, Doesn't matter .... I have been made aware by eagle (Read a few posts before yours) of this "workfare bonus wage supplement" scheme that the governm...

angel7030 SG

if business doesn't care, sooner or later, worker also dun care. This whole thing works in a cyclical way, if workers are poor, as consumer, they dun spend, business will also slow down, it is a capitalism ecology at works, China is working and doing well, because their people are getting richer and spending power increased, therefore they got a strong domestic market that even attract foreign investors like singapore, The business community do care about the society as it is part of the business.

I think your boss is a nut

angel7030 SG

Wth has a minimum wage got to do with "safer"?

cheaper better faster and safer, this was what i saw in construction site and shipyards gates whenever i passed by, if you want to refer to minimum wage, it should be a cheaper mini wage, better for all, faster to give out and safer with regard to long term business forecast, you dun have to increase people wages as long as you are inline with the mini wage set, that what happen to those other countries' worker who went on strike and protest, cos companies did not increase their pays for a few years just to attain the cheaper, better and faster way of doing business within the safe mini wage guideline

likeyou SG

I think your boss is a nut

How I wish you can tell my manager that.

He dont care how we are at present.
He only care for the company expenses, less cost, cheap workers. anything else, business doesnt care. Afterall he only a dept manager. Not CEO or COO.

likeyou SG

If one day, where spore come to a point where cost of living is simply too high to bear and salary is too little, we are done! Everybody will queue up for govt fund and rebates.

angel7030 SG

How I wish you can tell my manager that.

He dont care how we are at present.
He only care for the company expenses, less cost, cheap workers. anything else, business doesnt care. Afterall he only a dept manager. Not CEO or COO.

aiyo, you think he care for the company meh, he can for himself only, his backside and his job, this are self interest people who lack ethical management, just a line manager working at a micro level, talk so much for what...still a labour

likeyou SG

I love what you said, make me feel siok and make me happy to hear what you said.

Truely, I am really sadden by my manager act and speech. Selfish and low eq. Only know how to cut cut cut cut cut cheap cheap cheaper cheapest...and you know what, my other section manager spend spend spend and spend!!!!

angel7030 SG

darn, in corporate world, there are lots of unnecessary peoples and yet get higher paid, some even end up with inverted funnel system, the overhead more than the real productive peoples. For me, I mend the finanical, HR, purchasing, managing, logistic, recruiting, sales and marketing and front line servicing all by myself, why need all this stupid line managers for what, imagine every dept pay a manager 5 thousands, how much you lost in wages for nothing and yet get more human politic problem. For me, i just take all these money and paid to workers and staffs as bonus better lor, that is what call cheaper, better and faster. Cheaper in running business, better in bonus and benefit for my workers and faster in making decision within a thin hierrachy of reporting.

You want something, hv to go thru supervisor, then manager then GM, then HR, then head of HR...then by the time not approve, waste so much time, like me, workers request, on the spot yes or no and give reason, settle and life goes on

Phantomnite SG

But will employers so kind to guage a salary that be able to sustain the household expenses? I dont think so. As what my employer told us : BUSINESS DOESNT CARE.

Your previous post has got quite a number of interpretation to it. So I'm not quite sure what you're trying to bring across.

From the reply that you gave after I quote you, I suspect that you're trying to ask for a salary that is proportional to household income? ( I suspect only)

This is not feasible at all. By doing so, a whole set of problems comes out. Salary would not be peg to the skills of the worker, but rather, to the size of their family. If so, an unproductive person with a big family could be bringing home more money compared to someone who's very hardworking and working their ass off, with only 3 mouths to feed at home.

A good way to increase our fertility rate, but this is definitely a no-no. I believe you would know better what are the reasons for this suggestion to be deem as impossible.

Phantomnite SG

I love what you said, make me feel siok and make me happy to hear what you said.

Maybe he got some incentive if his department cost is kept low?

My previous company if budget is low, the budget would be better allocated to treat the managers for a staff retreat overseas. . .

likeyou SG

Your previous post has got quite a number of interpretation to it. So I'm not quite sure what you're trying to bring across.

From the reply that you gave after I quote you, I suspect that you're trying to ask for a salary that is proportional to household income? ( I suspect only)

A good way to increase our fertility rate, but this is definitely a no-no. I believe you would know better what are the reasons for this suggestion to be deem as impossible.

No lah, just to pen doen my thoughts...nothing else...Thanks. :)

angel7030 SG

Every now and then, you see those workers in countries with mini wage system will go onto the street to protest and strike, why? Just to increase the mini wage, cos if mini wage dun increase, their paid will most likey would not go up. I say, let our wages be flexible and everyyear can enjoy wages increases in line with performance and economic indicators, that will be more justifiable and fair

likeyou SG

..subjected to each employers preferences?

angel7030 SG

..subjected to each employers preferences?

Precisely, employers like me are not stupid people who just paid my employees low wages and never want to increase them, if I did that, i would had lost lots of employees and especially those good ones. Today, the labour market is tight, and it is an employees' market, that is why, you can hear MBD employees making noises and many other firm headhunting competitor employees with much higher paid, let the labour wage market adjust itself, if you set a mini wage, which is more toward those 3rd world countries, we would lose a labour wage competitiveness.

troublemaker2005 SG

bosses only wants to make millions out of 1cent they invested, in any business. they know it seems impossible but they won;t care. so what if workers demand more of minimum wage. you boss you tok you got. i employee i of course cannot tok me good meh? marry me then you know i give you no nite no day serve me 24/7

angel7030 SG

marry you? I rather be a nun than to marry you.

Bosses will rather earn alot and then show their philanthropistics side by giving back to the society in form of charity so that their name will be in the front page of every news and they will be well honoured

By giving to his/her employees more wages or whatsoever better benefits have totally no value in it, and infact it is a lost to them, both in term of $$ and publicity.

likeyou SG

You know what my manager say? (about your snd sentence), many pple are queuing up, I can even ask a taxi driver to do your jobs. And can employ a indonesia worker to work, save thousands of dollars.

likeyou SG

marry you? I rather be a nun than to marry you.

By giving to his/her employees more wages or whatsoever better benefits have totally no value in it, and infact it is a lost to them, both in term of $$ and publicity.

Yes a 'show pple' philanthropists....truely agreed.

My manager is like this.

angel7030 SG

to me, your manager is a very smart person, he can survive in singapore well.

troublemaker2005 SG

marry you? I rather be a nun than to marry you.

By giving to his/her employees more wages or whatsoever better benefits have totally no value in it, and infact it is a lost to them, both in term of $$ and publicity.

monks are greedy and horny also. recently one that one do lots of charity then get sued. now release he relieved.

those bosses need money to buy fame and attention. pathetic ones. i rather give some money t my employees those that perfrom ones soaas to inspire the others to work or jealousy so that thy==ey can gang up an overthrow the other good employees. as long s my sudbordinates in chaso i can sit comfy in my chair. as a result the company losses money and many buisness moved overseas.

dopn;t bull here lah marry me and be a woman you suppose to be

parn SG

1) If Michael Chan does his job and maximises profits by squeezing wages then the government should step in with policies to protect the welfare of the people.

2) It wasn't a survey it was a blog from an unknown Singaporean... lets try another blog this time from a known Singaporean Tan Kin Lian.

http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2010/07/minimum-wage.html

Tan Kin Lian was the ex Chief Executive for NTUC.

1) I don't know who is Michael Chan, but people should be well-educated enough not to be exploited by their employers. On the other hand, you can keep hoping that the Government will step in with policies to help PEOPLE who are probably afraid, lazy, waiting to for help with their own situations?

2) Tan Kin Lian's main point is already nakedly displayed on his second paragraph "A minimum wage is necessary to ensure that the worker earns enough to pay for the cost of living by doing a full day's work." Cost of living for a day or for a month, which one do you think his minimum wage dream is going to fulfill? How much is the daily cost of living for an average Singaporean? Who doesn't earned more than enough to upkeep their daily cost of living after a full day of work. So Tan Kin Lian's idea of keeping all of your salaries in line with the minimum wage is your supported vision?

To add on to this, it really doesn't matter what status you are holding in your past society or present society, unless you're trying to prove to me that opinions from an ex-chief executive carries more weight compared to anyone of the forumers in here, then I will still tell you that this kind of status-conscious mindset is terribly outdated and I don't blame you if you have been having this mindset for years.

3) The news media are bias, you cannot see them being bias because they have provided you with the information which can support your personal opinions. Don't you know anyone who had worked in one of those "lowest paid" jobs which you have mentioned? If you don't, then is this another one of your thin-air imaginations or bias observations?

4) Not necessary for me to reply since you don't know anyone who had worked one of those "lowest paid" jobs which you have mentioned and supported in your baseless argument.

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