Hong Kong sets Minimum Wage - What one Singaporean thinks

Genie99a SG

I have read some post at the Taxi forum, and my understanding is that there are job opportunity there, people have to strife for a living, you cannot expect spoonfeeding, u can drive taxi with a $100+ income per day, just go take a license, work honestly and work hard on it, everything have it first time, hard time and difficult time, but once this is past, you are a professional of your own careers, it does not mean that being a U or diploma or any other teritiary education make you a professional, my taking is everyone working on his/her work is the best profession of his/her own work.

We can provide you the fishing rod and worm, but you have to do the fishing

Good to know that our budding taxi drivers are doing well.

But there are still...

Lowest paid jobs in Singapore*

1. Office cleaner $600

2. Manufacturing labourer and related worker $760
3. Kitchen assistant $991
4. Plastic product machine operator $994
5. Hospital attendant $1,000
6. Travel agency and related clerk $1,016
7. Waiter $1,080
8. Pre-primary education teachers $1,100
9. Lorry attendant $1,102
10. Pest exterminator $1,106
* Based on median starting salary ...data from The New Paper

More compassion please.

Kind Regards

Genie

Genie99a SG

certainly i am not jealous, why should i be, a free market allow a free socialism.

what i am try to say here is that alots of people in singapore are not poor, maybe average, but certainly not poor, however, a lots of them make themselves poor by engaging thing that is beyong their mean, some like to gamble, some like to flirt around and drink,,...so end up, you tell the govt or the society that you are poor, need help and look/act pitiful. The most fundamental issue here is not about minimum wages, but rather on financial awareness or financial planing, social well being and certainly good discipline.

With OT this Uncle can take home $1.8k to 2k net, he have to spend it on his beautiful and young PRC gal, his house, his childrens and his family, so end up he is poor. And that is why i mentioned that most peoples in Singapore make themselve poor thru unethical behavior. Most are matured adult, not kids, you tell them too much, they also said you kaypoh, it is alright to have mistress, drinks, spending lavishly as you like, but ending up saying you are poor, that is too much, these peoples need to do some soul searching.

I understand where you're coming from but we cannot assume all of them will use the $ on beautiful PRC gals and iphones.... what if it was for his mortgage, wife and children?

Kind Regards

Genie

angel7030 SG

Good to know that our budding taxi drivers are doing well.

But there are still...

Lowest paid jobs in Singapore*

1. Office cleaner $600

More compassion please.

Kind Regards

Genie

I think this is a wrong statistic, cleaners can go training at e2i and get an increment, notice those cleaner using equipment to wash floor and plates, they are well trained, and get above $1k per month, plus employer CPF, will be abt $1200k. Even tho this is a median paid, most would had been on the higher end.

What govt wants is to train singapore to be supervisor or team leader, and the rest be FW, but singaporeans are not forthcoming, most have that fix mindset, refuse to change way of working, and refuse to learn IT way of working. But we cannot blame them, after years of working as operators, spend unwisely, did not care much about childrens ending them growing up less educated or simply cannot afford to paid them monthly or unfilial piety childrens. However, some older workers are not physical strong anymore and some actually have filial piety childrens to take care of them, but they simply want to live a labourer life which is what they like most, I know a few cardboard and cans collectors in joo chiat plying their trade at waterloo street, morning their sons/daughters drive big car sent them there, and evening, send them back, in this way, their life is less boring. So, you have to do a real statistic on the ground, dun depend on data too much, even MP roam the ground ya.

βέτά SG

Good to know that our budding taxi drivers are doing well.

But there are still...

Lowest paid jobs in Singapore*

1. Office cleaner $600

More compassion please.

Kind Regards

Genie

angel7030 is suggesting that all quit whatever they are doing and be taxi drivers.

Singapore a unique nation of taxi drivers.

kengkia SG

Parnie and Aceone10, pls have a cup of

each.

After that make peace, shake hands , and become friends.

I am sure u two can be good friends of one another..

eagle SG

I had this inkling that if a minimum wage is implemented, it will give good excuse to remove the workfare bonus wage supplement.

Genie99a SG

I had this inkling that if a minimum wage is implemented, it will give good excuse to remove the workfare bonus wage supplement.

Hi Eagle,

Thanks for pointing that out I was not even aware of this scheme. I think its similar to a minimum wage as far as general direction is concerned except that it only takes effect at age 35 and at 75% effectiveness. Age 45 and above get the full benefit.

However I'm confused as to why not just go ahead and implement a minimum wage of $1500 across the board age 21 and above?

Although the intention is good as the gahmen I think wants the younger generation to not take it for granted however I have a feeling companies that exploit cheap labour for profits would simply hire workers below 35 to dodge the system. This would also aggravate Singaporeans with the mindset that its harder to find jobs as you grow older.

The scheme will only apply if you are employed therefore if you are age 35 and above but can't find a job you are not entitled to the scheme.

Genie

eagle SG

Hi Genie,

it's transparent to companies as workfare is given by the govt, not the companies. It supplements the wages.

Genie99a SG

Hi Genie,

it's transparent to companies as workfare is given by the govt, not the companies. It supplements the wages.

Ahh.... the gahmen pays the difference so it makes no difference to the companies .... yes that would solve the problem with the additional deterrant for the younger generation to not become lazy. However it would cost more for the government then....but that's not my issue. As far as I'm concerned my gripe is cleared .

Thanks Eagle.

Kind Regards

Genie

parn SG

Things you can see and understand is really amazing!!! LOL.. I really start to wonder you even have a brain at all?? Or you got the million dollars brain??? The one that is clean with lots of memory space left cos nvr used?? lol

You really entertaining!! Keep coming biatch...

"The one that is clean with lots of memory space left cos nvr used?? lol"

You sentences are beginning to make make little sense, especially when you're agitated while you are trying to reply.

How's your Mum's business doing?

parn SG

Genie,

Dont waste your time in replying to that Biatch!!! This biatch is here to shoot and whore around only. Not here to exchange opinion like every others.

See the Biatch pass way of replying you will know.

This Biatch credibility is negative zero so unless you like me wanna have some fun with this toy. lol

I bet you do not even understand what Genie wrote to me.

Who do you blame for turning you into a society failure? Your parents? Your friends? Government? LKY? Whatever?

I'm only interested in Whatever.

By the way, you don't spell Bitch like Biatch - even though it may show us that you're terribly bitter and piss off verbally. But this is just an online forum, blame yourself if you choose to get so pathetically serious about it.

You may start kicking yourself now.

How do you feel being put down just a dog by a girl?

Start getting used to it, the world is different already.

parn SG

1 )The minimum wage legislation saw huge opposition from big businesses who threatened to layoff workers but the fact is only their profits will be hurt. The minimum wage set at S$5.84 per hour is not high but the victory shows that it is possible in Hong Kong to win against the big businesses there to bring about greater social equity - something we cannot see in Singapore

I lifted it off the article itself.

2) Do you believe me if I were to say its the role of the government and the unions to set policies to help Singaporeans make a living?

3) Here's the big picture.

"Michael Chan, chairman of fast-food giant Cafe de Coral - who was ranked by Forbes magazine as the 35th richest man in Hong Kong in 2009 - has said his company might issue a profit warning if the hourly rate proposed by the unions became law. "

All Mr Chan cares about is that he is answerable to the board and his shareholders.

Now what about these guys... again lifted from the article.

Lowest paid jobs in Singapore*

1. Office cleaner $600 (My Secondary School Pocket $ also more than him)
2. Manufacturing labourer and related worker $760
3. Kitchen assistant $991
4. Plastic product machine operator $994
5. Hospital attendant $1,000
6. Travel agency and related clerk $1,016
7. Waiter $1,080
8. Pre-primary education teachers $1,100
9. Lorry attendant $1,102
10. Pest exterminator $1,106
* Based on median starting salary ...data from The New Paper

So tell me.... Is Michael Chan exploiting cheap labour (Costs) to attain higher profits.... so that his board and shareholders is happy and gives him a big fat bonus so he can climb higher in Forbes magazine?

Kind Regards

Genie

IF Michael Chan is not doing whatever he can to attain higher profits for the company, then he is not doing his job.

Lifted from articles which were derived from innocent-looking SURVEY.... My goodness, this is the kind of subjective articles that present itself as the perfect tools for biased people to influence the public's opinions.

There's always another articles that tells you another story.

And by the way, your statistics from The New Paper is terribly outdated and incorrect.

Do you need to look for an updated one? How about applying for the above "lowest paid" jobs in Singapore and unveil the lies for yourself?

It looks good enough for foreign workers who don't fall under the minimum wages scheme or have any wages rights.

Go find out for yourself that the rates are going to be terribly different for Singaporeans.

parn SG

Are you being off topic?

I am asking your opinion towards Singapore implementing a minimum wage policy to safeguard the wellbeing of the lowly paid.

There is no need to be defensive and compare both countries as there are valid pros and cons across both countries.

Kind Regards

Genie

I do not agree to minimum wages law to be implemented in Singapore.

Such laws will only kill Talents and Competition in the job market.

Do you wish to be paid the same pay as the other person in the same job as you, regardless of how well you have performed at your job and qualifications/experiences?

Do you wish to be stuck on the low minimum wage for as long as you are in the same job position until you are promoted?

Unless you got this wild and vivid imaginations that minimum wage law is going to somehow INCREASE your current wages, I need to remind you again that if you are talking about MINIMUM wage law, please don't expect to get paid with an amount that ISN'T MINIMUM.

Unless we're in Disneyland and you're Peter Pan.

parn SG

Parnie and Aceone10, pls have a cup of

each.

After that make peace, shake hands , and become friends.

I am sure u two can be good friends of one another..

I don't mind if you want to help your brudders or bite one bullet for him.

You know I'm not the person who need help or any form of rescuing.

We're both EVIL when we allowed ourselves to get into any argument with another.

βέτά SG

In Hong Kong if you are unemployed, the government gives you money to help sustain your household. Hong Kong's electricity supply rate is already low compared to Singapore, yet they have special rebates to help the elderly pay for the power supply.

In Singapore if you are unemployed, the government ask that you look for a job (even if you can't find one), they also came up with GST to help the poor.

8.2 An unemployed person may receive an assistance comprising standard rates and special grants. The maximum and minimum monthly standard rates payable are $1,965 and $1,290 respectively. Special grants include payments to cover rent, water charges, school fees, child care centre fees and burial expenses. The total amount of payment under the two items is estimated to be about $2,520. If the unemployed person's family is a four-member CSSA household, his family can receive an estimated monthly payment of $9,450. This figure is equivalent to 55.6% of the median monthly domestic household income10 and is slightly lower than the average monthly expenditure11 of non-CSSA households in the lowest 25%expenditure group. For the monthly CSSA payments payable to different categories of CSSA households, please refer to Appendix II.

http://www.legco.gov.hk/yr99-00/english/sec/library/e19.pdf

βέτά SG

In Singapore, all the taxes collected goes into helping the poor Ministers family, else the Minister's family will suffer and being Singaporeans we don't want to see our Minister's family suffer.

kengkia SG

I don't mind if you want to help your brudders or bite one bullet for him.

You know I'm not the person who need help or any form of rescuing.

We're both EVIL when we allowed ourselves to get into any argument with another.

Wrong wrong wrong of you..that person is not my brudder and i dun have any.

But i wun hesitate to take on bullet in ya place.

i also wun mind dying in your place...

Genie99a SG

I do not agree to minimum wages law to be implemented in Singapore.

Such laws will only kill Talents and Competition in the job market.

Do you wish to be paid the same pay as the other person in the same job as you, regardless of how well you have performed at your job and qualifications/experiences?

Do you wish to be stuck on the low minimum wage for as long as you are in the same job position until you are promoted?

Unless we're in Disneyland and you're Peter Pan.

Hi Parn,

Doesn't matter .... I have been made aware by eagle (Read a few posts before yours) of this "workfare bonus wage supplement" scheme that the government has implemented and it provides the equivalent of a minimum wage.

Kind Regards

Genie

Genie99a SG

1) IF Michael Chan is not doing whatever he can to attain higher profits for the company, then he is not doing his job.

2) Lifted from articles which were derived from innocent-looking SURVEY....

3) My goodness, this is the kind of subjective articles that present itself as the perfect tools for biased people to influence the public's opinions. There's always another articles that tells you another story.

And by the way, your statistics from The New Paper is terribly outdated and incorrect.

Do you need to look for an updated one? How about applying for the above "lowest paid" jobs in Singapore and unveil the lies for yourself?

It looks good enough for foreign workers who don't fall under the minimum wages scheme or have any wages rights.

4) Go find out for yourself that the rates are going to be terribly different for Singaporeans.

1) If Michael Chan does his job and maximises profits by squeezing wages then the government should step in with policies to protect the welfare of the people.

2) It wasn't a survey it was a blog from an unknown Singaporean... lets try another blog this time from a known Singaporean Tan Kin Lian.

http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2010/07/minimum-wage.html

Tan Kin Lian was the ex Chief Executive for NTUC.

Genie99a SG

I don't mind if you want to help your brudders or bite one bullet for him.

You know I'm not the person who need help or any form of rescuing.

We're both EVIL when we allowed ourselves to get into any argument with another.

Wrong wrong wrong of you..that person is not my brudder and i dun have any.

But i wun hesitate to take on bullet in ya place.

i also wun mind dying in your place...

Haiz.... is I old liao.... or these 2 too young.

Kind Regards

Genie

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