Why they hate Singapore

Georgetan884 SG

Why they hate Singapore

Gedanken SG

What a load of fucking bollocks.

This blithering idiot's got it arse-end-round and using sleazy money-grubbing ends to justify the means, and he's got the fucking temerity to argue that people are jealous?! Damn fool's the one who gets up on his hind legs and salivates at the sound of tinkling coins - he's got a fucking lot of nerve talking about Pavlovianism.

On top of mental retardation, the author also seems to have a good case of amnesia. Either that or while he's got his arm around China's shoulder, he's just conveniently glossed over how China right royally buttfucked Singapore in broad daylight in Suzhou. Our friend here's quite happy to take China's cock in his mouth after China's pulled it out of his arse. Filthy mainlanders probably didn't even bother to wipe it on the curtains first but this floozy doesn't seem to mind.

It takes a fucking intellectual midget to assume that money is the be-all-and-end-all. Then again, rumour has it that a frontal lobotomy is part of the induction process at SPH.

Dickhead.

HITMAN11111111111 SG

has to admit it sounds like they discovered the lost city of atlantis kinda feeling.

fireng SG

wah long text of rubbish

Sunwukonga SG

Change your name Sir, you wouldn't know a Gedanken if it slapped you upside the head. I love the word and to see it sullied by someone of your dubious wisdom offends me greatly.

Each and every paragraph you wrote in your short rejoiner either lacked insight into the original post, or used vulgarities to misdirect attention from their content.

That you have 7680 posts to your name is disturbing to say the least.

Gedanken SG

Yadda yadda yadda wah wah wah. You're obviously too fucking precious to get past the vulgarities and see the content, so don't go blaming me for your lack of insight, you spineless twat.

And I'll use any fucking name I want, cocksucker, and there's not a fucking thing you can do to stop me, so why don't you crawl back under your little fucking soap box?

As if I give a fuck what offends you, you bloodly self-aggrandising wanker. You may as well go crying to your mummy dearest now because your pouting here means sweet fuck-all.

Pentaxdude90 SG

Yadda yadda yadda wah wah wah. You're obviously too fucking precious to get past the vulgarities and see the content, so don't go blaming me for your lack of insight, you spineless twat.

And I'll use any fucking name I want, cocksucker, and there's not a fucking thing you can do to stop me, so why don't you crawl back under your little fucking soap box?

As if I give a fuck what offends you, you bloodly self-aggrandising wanker. You may as well go crying to your mummy dearest now because your pouting here means sweet fuck-all.

JJxJJ SG

Yadda yadda yadda wah wah wah. You're obviously too fucking precious to get past the vulgarities and see the content, so don't go blaming me for your lack of insight, you spineless twat.

And I'll use any fucking name I want, cocksucker, and there's not a fucking thing you can do to stop me, so why don't you crawl back under your little fucking soap box?

As if I give a fuck what offends you, you bloodly self-aggrandising wanker. You may as well go crying to your mummy dearest now because your pouting here means sweet fuck-all.

Atobe SG

This is one of the typical subtle methods used by the PAP Government to propagate and justify the continuation of their methods unabashedly employed in Singapore.

It tantamount to thumbing the PAP nose at the "Western detractors" and at the same time justifying their own acts of political arrogance in governing Singapore.

It is interesting to note that while Mr Kenichi Ohmae - the Japanese management consultant who first became famous as author of The Borderless World - was quoted as saying "Singapore should 'replicate' itself in other parts of the world" - this was as quickly qualified - "To be sure, his reasoning was economic, not political." - and with this statement left as an end note.

Was the author being politically polite so as not to offend the PAP with her statements that detailed accurately the Singapore scene, but hold back the punch lines ?

'Why is it that a growing number of highly-educated and well-travelled people are willing to hand over several of their freedoms in return for prosperity or security? This question has been exercising me for months as I work on a book about what I call the 'pact'.

Was there ever a 'pact' between the educated Singaporeans and the PAP, or has it not been a fact that Singaporeans have become apolitical as a result of the methods employed by LKY in dealing with those who dare to challenge him openly ?

'The model for this is Singapore, where repression is highly selective. It is confined to those who take a conscious decision openly to challenge the authorities.

If you do not, yo enjoy freedom to travel, to live more or less as you wish, and - perhaps most important - to make money. Under Lee Kuan Yew, this city-state built on a swamp has flourished economically.

It is a fallacy to believe that "under Lee Kuan Yew, this city-state built on a swamp had flourished economically".

This city-state would have flourished economically - WITH or WITHOUT - Lee Kuan Yew, as it was not Lee but Stamford Raffles who had the foresight to pick this piece of swamp land to build a natural posts that flourished within the first decade.

Lee Kuan Yew was a devastated person when his dream - for Singapore to be part of a bigger Malaysia - was shattered after Tunku Abdul Rahman decided to kick LKY and Singapore out of Malaysia. LKY had to recuperate for the week at a government owned chalet at Changi Point, while his loyal colleagues Toh Chin Chye, Goh Keng Swee and Rajaratnam held the fort to keep some sense of organised government.

The vision of converting the swamp into a commercial and industrial metropolis was neither LKY but that of a little known Dutch Consultant - Dr Albert Winsemius (*1) - who had the good fortune of having Dr Goh Keng Swee open minded support to implement the ideas.

Is there any use for "visionary ideas" without the "support of the masses" ?

Recognition will need to be given to the Singaporean masses, who were around in the 1960s, and who were willing to put aside the many political differences then, and move together to succeed.

The motivation then was to prove that this Little Red Dot can make it on our own; even as many saw LKY cried openly on TV - but many were left wondering if it was belated crocodile tears for not listening to better advise against merger, or tears shed for his shattered ambitions after being given a surprise drubbing by Tunku.

Singaporeans today are by and large dissatisfied with the PAP politics of self-aggrandizement, drowning themselves with self-congratulatory accolades and drunk with their own self-importance.

Being the political animal that it is, should we be surprised that the PAP have now ungratefully turned against Singaporeans - who had given their support at the most critical moment in the 1960s, and will now threaten to withdraw government support to those Constituencies that voted for the Alternative Political Parties.

This is Nation Building in the PAP way that the author did not honestly address.

If there was any "Pact" made between the educated and the PAP - why will there be a continuous brain drain all through the years that make it necessary for the PAP to lament of a lack of talent ?

Or is this lamenting an excuse to justify a bigger agenda of their own importance that need the parallel monetary compensations ?

If there was any "Pact" made between the highly educated Singaporean population with the PAP, was it necessary for the PAP to be so insecure of their own political standing that with each election the PAP will need to resort to Third World political methods to deny success to the other Alternative Political Parties ?

This propaganda attempt at suggesting a link for Western attitude to exist that will connect Singapore's position with China - is sheer vanity of a small time incorrigible hoodlum attempting to take umbrage with the success of a bigger hoodlum who had begun to turn a new leaf in its own development.

It will be a surprise for the PAP when it begin to notice the many small steps taken in changing China's Communist ideological methods in governing her citizens, that will gradually evolve into a more open system, while the PAP position continue to be harden with its own insecurity.

Arapahoe SG

What a load of fucking bollocks.

It takes a fucking intellectual midget to assume that money is the be-all-and-end-all. Then again, rumour has it that a frontal lobotomy is part of the induction process at SPH.

Dickhead.

well you basically summarizes our guts feel...

Sunwukonga SG

Yadda yadda yadda wah wah wah. You're obviously too fucking precious to get past the vulgarities and see the content, so don't go blaming me for your lack of insight, you spineless twat.

And I'll use any fucking name I want, cocksucker, and there's not a fucking thing you can do to stop me, so why don't you crawl back under your little fucking soap box?

As if I give a fuck what offends you, you bloodly self-aggrandising wanker. You may as well go crying to your mummy dearest now because your pouting here means sweet fuck-all.

Precious? No, don't think so. I know, and have used in context, more vulgarities than you've ever heard or written. Calling someone with my history and experience of violence, precious, is somewhat laughable.

However, all you are doing is swilling in your own muck, and by muck I do mean excrement, and preventing Singaporeans opposed to your views from entering into this discourse.

The PAP maintain control over this country, not through underhanded campaign methods, although they certainly exist, but through public education. This is why the PAP will not be voted out at the next election, too much indoctrination and grass roots support. Not to mention the subset of the older generation, suffering from Boogeyman syndrome, who still believe that something terrible will happen to them if they vote against PAP. Amusingly this isn't always limited to the older generation.

The vast majority of educated Singaporeans shrink back in shock, or at least moral outrage, from your vulgarities. All you achieve is the stimulation of the anti-PAP fanboys; who erroneously believe that they have won ground at every corroborating post.

I have no doubt that you have vented in anguish and disgust at the widespread moral censure that ensues when vulgarities are used in forums of a less politically volatile nature. That is how Singapore has been shaped, and it nicely pigeon holes you, and others like you, and restricts your readership to a hard line few. Coincidence, I think not, no one with any sense should accuse the PAP of being stupid.

Again, I urge you to change your name, at least until such time as you have garnered enough wit to actually be able to conduct one.

Miracles&Prophecies SG

Better luck next time

I hope you get to keep your job

Replicate itself hmm you mean just like cancer cells?

If Singapore is truly honest instead of putting up a charade of a free society based on rule of law and stop calling itself a democracy I'll be happily quiet.
Kings deserves the absolute authority of a king in an absolute monarchy.
If Singapore doesn't believe in democracy why bother with the election? Go away with the election!!! Institute an absolute monarchy or whatever that is more suiting.

Miracles&Prophecies SG

Then you could beheaded, tortured, killed and bankrupted anyone you found impolite or unpleasing on the street of Singapore and I’ll say not a word.

Gedanken SG

Ooooh, I'm quaking in my boots. I don't know you from a bar of soap, so if making claims to a *cough* "history of violence" was supposed to impress me in any way, shape or form, you're plum out of luck, sonny boy. You may claim to be Jackie Chan, but as far as I'm concerned you're William Hung.

Have I now? Do tell. Are you going to appeal to the "silent majority", favourite tool of the right wing?

All we have evidence of in this thread is your precious hand-wringing, not of my having stopped anybody from posting.

Totally, completely and utterly irrelevant. Where, and I challenge you to quote, did I make reference to the PAP in my posts in this thread? That's your paranoia talking, nancy boy. In fact, taking a Freudian perspective, I'd damned well say you've just shown yourself to be a PAP fanboy with that slip, and it's just plain mealy-mouthed and hypocritical of you to talk about anti-PAP fanboys.

Again, I urge you to change your name, at least until such time as you have garnered enough wit to actually be able to conduct one.

I've already covered your hard-on for the PAP above so I won't revisit it here. It's fascinating how, again taking a Freudian perspective, you have revealed your own twisted view of the world with your projections. You've noted my number of posts here, and if you bothered to do your homework you'll find that I take none of this online babble seriously. As such, there's none of the anguish that you seem to assume that I have, and certainly I couldn't give a rat's about readership. You think I'm here to sell my *gag* readership to advertisers? Do you see me labelling myself as News Corporation or something? It doesn't matter a jot to me if nobody bothers reading what I post - I'm in it for a laugh, but you mistakenly assumed that I attach the same gravitas to my posts as you seem to attach to yours. I said before, I'll say it again - you're just being precious.

Now, my shallow, ignorant little hand-wringer, allow yourself to be educated. While Gedanken certainly translates as thought, it is also a shortening of Gedankenexperiment, which reflects the lack of consequence of online chatter. You seem to place an inordinate amount of value on what's being discussed here, so much so that you bleat about people not entering this *snigger* "discourse". Don't go taking yourself too seriously - that's someone else's job.

So, to summarise, you're a PAP fanboy who makes laughable claims to a "history of violence", treat online chatter as a colloquium, and agonise about readership as if it'll ever have any tangible effect once people step away from their computers. You've just proven that I was right in calling you a self-aggrandising wanker, and you really do need to get over yourself.

And by the way, you've been too busy squealing like a stuck pig to get the point. Never mind - even if you did pay attention it would have sailed right over your head.

Sunwukonga SG

That looks like it took a lot more effort than what you usually put into your posts. But I'm still not impressed. Change your nick, it still doesn't fit. By the way, if I didn't know what a Gedanken was, why, pray tell, would I ask you to 'conduct' one. Keep going, the laughs will help me live longer.

Gedanken SG

You still don't get it, do you? What does it mean to me if you're impressed or not? Unlike you, I'm not making childish chest-thumping claims about "violent histories" and delusionally calling for "discourse" in what amounts to nothing more than a blabfest has no relevance even well before the computer is switched off.

*shakes head sadly* Look, it's not good enough just living longer - you need to find something worthwhile to do with your life, Nancy. If you ever found out what it's like to achieve something in real life, you'd see why I'm laughing at this forum, this discussion and how you're trying to fulfil yourself with pitifully laughable claims. Until then, do try to avoid embarrassing yourself by telling the world that you're taking an internet forum so seriously.

By the way, nice attempt to worm your way out of having to account for your hypocrisy vis-a-vis calling other people fanboys when your PAP bent has been highlighted. You get 8.9 from the East German judge for your twisting and sidestepping, but you're still a hypocrite and a PAP fanboy, and if you think your hand-wringing and chest-thumping is going to distract from your attempt to slink off with your tail tucked between your legs, well, then you're really fucking stupid.

xtreyier SG

Dear Sunwukonga

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Just ignore the uncouth ex singaporean Gendanken - ran away living in Australia. He's in his usual self - ventilating. He offers no solutions, and any 'solutions' only upon hindsights. He has an inflated ego and low self esteem problem.

Everyone is intelligent. Some use intelligence meaningfully and help others. Some uses such powers to demean and attempt to dumb down others.Notice how he uses vulgarities and insults upon others in order to stand tall? Such are not signs of an intellectual. Shows himself as a presumptious roadside gangster fool.

Others are not blind. One either builds or destroys his/her credibility, on their own.

Look at this way - if he is living such a good life in Australia, he wouldnt be here in this Singapore site, cynically badmouthing my fellow citizens and their choices.

He must be sad and lonely, and misery needs company, or at least to reassure himself on his personal choice to abandon the country that it had been a right decision, even if it turned out a wrong one.

This site is not a site for praising the govt or the ruling party. There are other objective sites to do so. Should anyone do so, the loud vocal minority will shoot one down. It is only normal, because it's all about politics.

You may usually find yourself alone, as this is what they wish, but the reality is that you will not be alone. Political apathy does not mean politically unaware on what is happening. Some just dont bother to reply, and let them talk till their tongues run dry, because the realities are there for all to see.

But never be afraid to say what you think. You too have the freedom of speech, just as the opposition has it too, even though they may deny you of it. Singapore is still a democratic republic, not a Hitler state. The opposition supporters are not the brown shirts SS, as much as SOME of them are behaving as them.

The People, the govt, and the ruling party had done pretty well since independence. It's achievements are there for all to see. There is no need even to praise.

But the oppostition parties unfortunately have nothing to show, except for 2 MPs elected into the govt, and didnt do much to change or enhance the lives of Singaporeans. Worse still, some political officials resort to squabbles and even breaking laws, tarnishing the opposition parties still.

Thus, the only way in their narrow and self centred minds is to tarnish the ruling party or any one deem supporting them any way possible, even twisting words and telling lies, bringing out dusty records of events that happened long ago, of choices made that were for the best under that time of circumstances.

Today, such choices would have been considered wrong, given our climate, education levels and technological advances. It is so easy to condemn others using hindsight. And equally easy to condemn others when the future cannot be predicted.

Put a thousand economists with a laptops in a hall to predict economies, and each will give different forcasts, and one of them will give an 'accurate' forcast for anything = from stock movements to economic performances. It is only a matter of numbers, but at the point of time when a decision is needed, which of the 1000 economists to believe is right?

I can go on, but hope you get the picture of what I am driving at. So do not be too disheartened or demoralized by what you see. It is only politics, and as short ninja had said, everyone has an ass, so too does everyone has some political leanings. This is after all, speakers corner, all about politics.

No need to challenge each and every point. It is only when there are rally cries for outright disruptions to common peaceful living that needs to be put down, by any means possible, because often, the mongers get aways free, but it is always the common people who end up in jails, young lives destroyed and worse, in body bags. And for what? For someone else's political ambitions.

Local or foriegner living here, we all want the best for Singapore. Some hurt it ignorantly, some work tirelessly for it, but all with one goal - to live in peace for our ourselves, our families, relatives and friends. Good luck to you.

Gendanken, this is my honest assessment and right of speech, without fear or favour as a Singapore citizen. I am fully responsible for what I said. I had my say, and you, a foreigner now, or anyone else are fully free to criticise me, in any way you wish, if you so wish. Cheers.

Atobe SG

The X-rat has again shown its shameless hypocritical best with its own indulgence in the "Wall of Text" - which it had found previous umbrage in the wall to decline making any response.

Has the X-rated kid achieve its purpose of delivering any opinion of substance based on any truth, or was this an attempt to obfuscate the issues with verbiage ?

Dear Sunwukonga

Can this opinion be credible when it comes from the bankrupt mind of a X-rated kid -who indulges in the pass time of plagiarizing ?

Does a X-rated kid have any original ideas or even opinions of its own ?

If intelligent people can be "dumbed down" - it shows how the reliability and quality of the intelligence in a X-rat Kid can be "dumbed down".

Is it any wonder that the propaganda is so influential to the bankrupt and influential mind of a kid still stuck in X-rated issues ?

How did the thoughts enter the bankrupt mind of a X-rat that "vulgarities and insults" are equated with a gangster, or is the kid indulging in being presumptious by plagiarizing the values from others ?

It is shocking that a X-rat will know about "vulgarities" when it ignored the biggest vulgarity with the bastardising of the Truth, and the mindless acceptance and propagating of false information that insults the intelligence and common sense.

Others are not blind. One either builds or destroys his/her credibility, on their own.

Look at this way - if he is living such a good life in Australia, he wouldnt be here in this Singapore site, cynically badmouthing my fellow citizens and their choices.

Has the X-rat not been trashed more then a few times with its credibility destroyed - and from nobody's effort except from its own stoopidity ?

Even on the subject of Singaporeans living overseas - it is plain stoopidty to say that the overseas Singaporeans has less right tha the fellow citizen residing in Singapore.

It is another display of the mindless plagiarizing ability of the resident X-rat in copying blindly the stupidity expressed by GCT comments about "Singaporean Quitters" - when he forgot that his own daughter was already a "quitter".

Can anyone be lonelier that the X-rat who is a danger even to itself when alone ?

What makes the X-rat believe that anyone who is staying away from Singapore has given up and abandoned Singapore ?

If this statement holds true, what could possibly be attracting the X-rat to this site ?

This is laughable considering that the X-rat is always feeling alone in this Speaker's Corner despite all the claims of feeling entertained.

One can forgive its state of mind after having been trashed repeatedly and can only be talking to itself now.

Only a X-rat will beleive that Singapore is still a democratic republic - when even the law has been bent and re-interpreted to protect those who claimed to be political elites of Singapore.

Not a "Hitler State" - when an innocent has been incarcerated for 32 years without a charge being made, and taunted with freedom in exchange for a false confession ?

Not a "Hitler State" - when 22 church activists were rounded up in the middle of the night in a pogrom similar to the campaign in Europe during the mid-40s ?

The X-rat is ingenious in rehashing old details plagiarized from more intelligent minds but without the ability to even copy the method of delivery to be convincing.

The People, the govt, and the ruling party had done pretty well since independence. It's achievements are there for all to see. There is no need even to praise.

Yes, the Ruling Party and the Government had done pretty well for themselves - with their monolithic hold on politics and economics, and rewarding themselves wages for every minister that is almost 10 per cent of the GDP value.

Can the bankrupt mind of a X-rat differentiate that while the Ruling Party and the Government had soaked themselves with the wealth accumulated from the People ?

Obviously, the X-rat will prefer to turn a blind eye that The People are expected to accept low paying jobs, accept pay cuts when previous cuts have not been restored, and despite having done so well - The People are expected to face the future based on short term employment renewable contracts.

Only by the X-rated standards of a X-rat can such positive appraisals exist.

It is amusing that the X-rat will be honest to claim that "political officials resort to squabbles and even breaking laws simply to tarnish the opposition parties still".

The rare honesty of the statement is seen in the venerable MM attempting to raise a petty squabble by accusing an Opposition Politician to be a liar, and when no action is taken in response - MM LKY then questioned the man's character, and all done to tarnish the Opposition.

Did Goh Chok Tong, Tony Tan and BG LHL (*1) not break the law in Election 1997, and required the assistance of the Attorney General to re-interpret the law to get them off the hook ?

Is it the fault of the Alternative Political Parties for not being able to get more then two MP in so many elections, or does it not present a starker bigger picture in the manner that the PAP conduct its dark politics in Singapore ?

Obviously, the bankrupt mind of a X-rat can hardly be expected to see the bigger picture when it is only able to "copy and paste" what others have said that easily impress its X-rated mind.

Does anyone need to tarnish the Ruling Party, when the efforts of an enthusiastic and sadly amateurish X-rat has done its level best to stir up the turbid political waters ?

Without any help the Ruling Party had already done its own best to spoil its whiteness, that was used to blind the grey that was already clear even to the short-sighted.

Does anyone have any ability to tarnish the image of the Ruling Party when its monolithic powers is all encompassing except over the free mind and intellect of those who are prepared to be discerning and circumspect ?

We will not expect a X-rat to understand what "discerning" and "circumspect" shall mean as its blank mental capacity is blocked by a big "X" that marked the little spot on which its grey matter rest.

With the ambivalence that only a X-rated kid can possess - that it is wrong to condemn others using hindsight, and similarly condemn others when the future cannot be predicted - can anyone move in any direction ?

Is this not the obvious limbo that the PAP wish for Singaporeans to be, or is this the state of mind that a disingenious X-rat hope for Singaporeans to have - so as to allow the monolithic power the space to make more mistakes without being condemned ?

The X-rat should have left this to the expert and not pass comment.

If the X-rat wish a lesson in the accuracy of computer models at "predicting" any possible outcome of a trend, perhaps it will be challenged to a lesson with the resident "Eagle" who has displayed a passion and pride in this field.

Can the X-rat keep its own ignorance to itself ?

With this "Wall of Text" that led to nowhere, was that a focus on some X mark that the X-rat had tried to work toward ?

This is surely another major flop that confirm what has been said that this X-rated Kid simply fail in its effort to deliver a message that its mind can plagiarized, but simply cannot copy the "spiritual" part of the conviction in the delivery of the message.

Does any Singaporean own an 'ass' in high rise living environment of Singapore ?

The X-rat must have itself confused between its "arse" with that of an "ass".

It is again obvious that the X-rat will surely prefer that there is "no need to challenge each and every point".

The lack of confidence in the X-rat is due to the fact that every point is loaded with verbiage that is plagiarized, and when focus is placed on each and every point - its entire "Wall of Text" will crumble like the walls of Babylon.

If History is to be read by examing official records of government reports that have been released by the British Colonial Office of Record for the periods up to the departure of the British from Singapore - one will need to revisit the history books that were prepared for the benefit of the Principal character in the Ruling Party.

It is doubtful that the X-rat is capable at such a challenging venture, considering its only ability is with plagiarizing only.

That is the obvious hope for a X-rated mouth piece for the monolithic political party in Singapore - and it is not a surprise that the X-rat has left out the responsibility of each and every Singaporean for the political future of Singapore.

The danger is clear in the legacy of chaos that LKY has planned and will be leaving for Singapore, and can anyone else threaten LKY's plan except by his own failure ?

It is simply out of character for a X-rat to be honest, when it cannot face squarely the real political events that every Singapore Citizen faces each day.

Can there be an iota of a Singaporean in the bankrupt mind of a X-rated kid behaving more like a X-rat as each day pass ?

It is simply rubbing salt into open wounds of all the Singaporeans who were arrested on false charges, incarcerated without trials, forced to make dubious statements of confessions, forced to swallow the lies that a democracy exist when the principles of democracy have been ravished repeatedly for the sake of pragmatic expediency, and when the tenets of the Singapore Constitutions are ignored, and worst of all - the daily Pledge that is solemnly taken each day by younger Singaporeans are no longer to be taken as a Principle but to be re-considered as mere 'aspirations'.

Only the unthinking mind of a X-rat will accept the status quo without a blink of the eye, and will have the audacity to propagate "the lies" by forcing it to be seen as "Truth" - pleading its case with its X-rat honesty.