Crime rate in Victoria,10 times more than SG per 100,000 pax

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Few years back ,ATM in SG were fitted with illegal readers.Some acct holders lose money from their accounts.Police caught some,including tourists etc.Now,oz...

maurizio13 SG

u think i cover the dark side of SG.

Let me share with u .There are many apply for CNCC.

Then u guys say woh many leaving SG lah.

Wait!The figure include PR and other foreigners in SG.

SG citizens,PR and foreigners apply CNCC in SG.

http://www.yawningbread.org/ 11.09.2008

But shall u follow the crowds or do u have own ideas?

Many have told u there are about 150,000 migrated to Oz

in a year.Have they told u about half of the figure---67,900--

migrated from Oz?Among them,half were born in Oz!!

http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/E0A79B147EA8E0B5CA2572AC001813E8/$File/34120_2005-06.pdf

page 19 and 16

figure 3.1 and 3.2

Permanent
departures
67 900
— included in
NOM

PROPORTION OF TOTAL OVERSEAS MOVEMENTS WHICH WERE
3.1 LONG-TERM OR PERMANENT (a)

They forms about 3.5 % of Oz population.

U better asks them why the Permanent departures 67 900

leaving Oz!!

I thought I explained to you why more Australians leave their country before. They are more educationally qualified compared to Singaporeans, as they have more graduates compared to Singapore. More graduates means more qualify for emigration to other countries. If someone is so ugly like you with no qualifications and only persist in bad mouthing others to make yourself look good, which other country will want you. Seriously, do you qualify for immigrant status in any country?

One factor that affects the eligibility of citizens for migration is educational level. A developed country assesses the suitability of candidates based on educational level, the higher the educational level, the more likely you would be granted citizenship. Another factor could be the amount of wealth that you can bring into their country.

There could also be other social factors that precludes Asians from migrating to more westernised societies.

Australia's above Bachelor Degree graduates was 22.7% for 2006, while Singapore's was 13.5% for 2005. There is no question that Australia has more qualified candidates for immigration. Not many people in Singapore qualify for immigration to developed countries.

There is little doubt that "lionnoisy" could ever satisfy the criteria for immigration status in Australia, hence the vindictiveness of his attitude towards Australia.

One thing's for sure, I am just glad I don't live next door to "lionnoisy", for if I were to better him in any aspects, he would start criticising me and my family in front of our neighbours.

A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a sympton of neurotic insecurity. -- Robert A. Heinlein

maurizio13 SG

many posted here and not arrested speaks volume for the freedom in Singapore.

Anyone are free to migrate to any country.

You try standing outside Shenton Way or Orchard Road, speak bad about the government, see how long it takes for the two to three dozen police officers to pounce on you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp-Ywg9vOG8

For murder cases, I think they deploy at most 2 patrol cars, but for public speaking they will deploy 2-3 dozen officers to arrest you.

maurizio13 SG

Aussie Rules, lionnoisy Drools!!!

Don't badmouth Australia just because they turn down your application for immigration, it shows extremely bad character.

tklow SG

I moved to Melbourne from Singapore with my family 11 years ago. Sadly, i have to agree with the statistics here.

During my 13years in Singapore, I have not once experienced any crimes committed against me or my family and friends.

Since moving here, my house has been broken into twice, my bro was beaten up and robbed while waiting for a bus, 2 of my friends were robbed at knife point, and as recent as 5 months ago my neighbor was stabbed to DEATH by a group of drunk teenagers.

Drugs are a common sight here, used syringes litter the streets and i have even been offered drugs while walking on the street.

I definately feel that Singapore is a MUCH MUCH MUCH safer place than Australia.

skeujin SG

our crime rate wld be the highest in the world if they started arresting people who gave blow jobs.

lionnoisy SG

"The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by observing its criminals'.

There is nowhre in the world with no crime. but rather the degree of the crime shows somethign about the society. That aussie hater is out to mistwist this news of crime rate. the crime rate can be 10x higher, but what crimes being committed?, is not being elaborated. It could be theft of property making up most of them

the degree of severity of 10 thefts commited is not equal to 1 murder, which has a much higher severity.

Imagine this scenario: A peaceful society or neighbourhood can be ruined by just one murder in its vicinity which can cause much more mass hysteria and panic than one isolated incident of theft. At most it will be written off as a one off case where someone has been careless wih their property arising in opportunity for crime.

i agree.i list the whole table below so u guys can take out whatever

u like, like car thefts etc.this is to reflect differences of Vic and SG.

i hope this can make u guys more happy.

Unfortunately,i discover Vic State gavaman

not so honest by,indirectly, understated the crime rates!!

If u just read the bar charts below without reading the fine prints

i paste ,u probably would think that the crime rate in Vic

is just 1,200/100,000.I fell into the trap .Then i notice

it does not tally the figures i posted in opening thread of 7,256/100,000!!

http://www.dpc.vic.gov.au/CA256D800027B102/Lookup/VivienNadalin/$file/Vivien%20Nadalin.pdf

The reasons the table just show selected crimes.

Then the table shall be renamed

Rate of Selected crimes in Victoria

Do u think so?

Rates of crime
Victoria Police collects a range of statistics on recorded crime that are used to analyse trends (in rates per 100 000 population) for 27 broad offence categories###. These statistics indicate that the total reported crime rate has fallen by 15.3 per cent when compared to the target’s baseline year of 2002-03. Since 2000-01 Victoria’s crime rate has reduced by 23.5 per cent. This report focuses on trends in recorded crime against the person and motor vehicle theft over the last six years.

### pl read below,the table consists of 27 crimes.

APPENDIX B – GROWING VICTORIA TOGETHER
PROGRESS REPORT

linked from here

http://www.dpc.vic.gov.au/CA256D8000265E1A/page/Growing+Victoria+Together-Progress+Reports!OpenDocument&1=30-Growing+Victoria+Together~&2=40-Progress+Reports~&3=~

This is Vic Police report:

http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?a=internetBridgingPage&Media_ID=32668

I am sad Vic gavaman also wants to cook the books.

U can says reader Beware and they expect u to read full text!!

But as a layman u and me,u think the bar charts is the whole picture!!

u probably wont know there are 27 broad offence categories!!

To be fair,in the

APPENDIX B – GROWING VICTORIA TOGETHER
PROGRESS REPORT,it did mention another category

of crime in rail networks!!

This is a misleading presentation of crime rate in Vic!!

So sad.The most highest GDP per capita state in Oz also not

so honest!!

lionnoisy SG

I moved to Melbourne from Singapore with my family 11 years ago. Sadly, i have to agree with the statistics here.

During my 13years in Singapore, I have not once experienced any crimes committed against me or my family and friends.

Drugs are a common sight here, used syringes litter the streets and i have even been offered drugs while walking on the street.

I definately feel that Singapore is a MUCH MUCH MUCH safer place than Australia.

Kow tow to your real life report.I hope they wont think

u are my buddy.U are brave,fren!!

What is the point to help this under dog---lionnoisy.

But u sign up and help me to paint the real and whole picture.

Asian Aussie SG

I have one simple question for noisy dumb lion.

You say in your post that Oz people living in Oz know Oz well.

You don't live in Oz, you were rejected by Oz immigration.

What experience of Oz gives you the right to make a comment about life in Oz or make a judgment?

Answer this, don't run away with your bullshit twisted "facts".

tklow SG

im a long time reader of this forum, first time poster.

and i forgot to mention just two months ago a whole row of parked cars (inc mine) got vandalised- smashed windows, broken side mirrors and random scratches. really pain....

skythewood SG

feel sorry for you.

maurizio13 SG

im a long time reader of this forum, first time poster.

and i forgot to mention just two months ago a whole row of parked cars (inc mine) got vandalised- smashed windows, broken side mirrors and random scratches. really pain....

Smashed cars and burnt motorcycles are a common occurence in Singapore too.

googoomuck SG

If you disregard the grisly murders where bodies were chopped and stuffed into boxes or plastic bags, the crimes in Singapore are mostly petty ones....kekekeke

crimsontactics SG

While, I do agree with lionnoisy on the crime rate part. Although i have not live in Oz myself, i have relatives who live there and from the accounts that they gave me, i can conclude that Sg is a much safer place to be in. The most common ones are drug abuse and vandalism while those major crimes and, even theft, is in the miniority side.

However, there are some points which i disagree. First of all, like what the forumers have all suggested, there is not a single place which is crime free. According to my relative's experience, if you dress appropiately and be humble, chances are you will have a good time in Oz. The Ozians are known to be friendly, socialable people and no one in the right state of mind would go out and commit crimes.

You must also understand that most crimes are committed by teens rather than organised criminals. So, if you stay out of their way, the chances are they will stay out of yours too. For this part, I would like to share my personal experience in America, which i think could be used in comparision to Oz. When I'm in the states, the people there are more... free i should say, and their culture encourage them to be more open-minded and to protray their views openly. Once, i encountered this group of 3 teens, one of them skateboarded up to me and gave me a push for no reasons. He and his group then skated away laughing like retards.

What I'm trying to say here is that such crimes are mainly for "fun sake" and not meant to kill you. Crimes are crimes, there is no way it could be approved of in any society, but you must understand that most of them are merely harmless pranks, and that you should not use this to discourage others to migrate to Oz, where the opportunities are limitless.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Well from my experience Singapore may be safe (but really how hard is it to police an island just 700+km square, but it's hardly crime free...

Let's see:

Couple robbed by man armed with parang

A YOUNG couple were trying to find some private time at the Marina Promenade Park (Singapore) when a parang-wielding robber walked up to them and told them to hand over their valuables.

When Mr Razif Hazmi Rahmat's girlfriend, 21, protested, the robber slapped her thigh with the flat of the 60cm blade.

Speaking to The Straits Times from his flat in Toh Guan Road, Mr Razif, 20, a polytechnic student, said their assailant walked up to them at about 1.30am on Saturday.

'He threatened to 'hammer' us if we did not comply,' he recalled.

'He took everything - our bags, handphones, watches and MP3 player - and only gave back our identity cards when we asked for them.'

The medium-built man wore a black long-sleeved shirt paired with black trackpants. He also wore a black cap. He looked to be in his 40s, was about 1.7m tall and spoke in English, said Mr Razif.

'But his speech was slurred, like a drug addict's, and I don't think this was the first time he was doing this,' added Mr Razif.

The robber threatened the couple before he walked off in the direction of Beach Road.

'He said that if we shouted or screamed for help, he'd come back and slash us,' Mr Razif said.

The couple fearfully waited until the robber had walked some distance away before fleeing in the opposite direction - towards Marina Square. There, they waited for more than an hour before venturing back to the Promenade Park, near the Kallang River, to get Mr Razif's motorcycle.

'My girlfriend was in tears, she was so traumatised,'? he said.

'All I could think of at the time was to stay calm, and getting the whole thing over with by giving him what he wanted, including my ATM PIN number,' said Mr Razif.

He later found that the robber had managed to withdraw the last $30 in his bank account.

But he will not step near the area again, he said. 'I think he will strike again and I would not want to go there.'

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Blood samples taken from 200 foreign workers at building site  By Sujin Thomas & Carolyn Quek

POLICE cordoned off a construction site in Clementi yesterday and took blood samples from about 200 foreign workers hours after a woman was sexually assaulted in a nearby park.

The victim, believed to be a National University of Singapore student in her mid-20s, had been attacked on Wednesday at about 10.40pm.

It is believed that she was attacked while walking along a footpath in Clementi Woods Park, which is opposite the university campus.

Although the police would not comment on the nature of the offence, The Straits Times understands that the Special Operations Command (SOC) had been activated. The unit is used to maintain public order and conducts tactical operations, among other things.

Yesterday, officers descended on the condominium construction site adjacent to the park in West Coast Road at around midnight.

They gathered the Chinese, Indian and Bangladeshi workers at the on-site canteen, checked their personal documents, passports and work permits, and took blood samples.

The workers were not told about what had happened at the time.

Yesterday, a copy of a Shin Min Daily News article which described the assault was pasted on a notice board in the canteen and attracted a number of curious workers.

According to an office worker at the site, four SOC vehicles and several police cars were there till 8am yesterday.

The staff member, who did not want to be named, said: 'I didn't know what was going on but I heard that something serious had happened in the park.'

According to NUS librarian Kho Su Yian, 32, the park was rarely used by the students at the university.

She said: 'It's usually pretty deserted, except for the occasional jogger. If there are any students, they usually walk in pairs.'

She takes the 150m-long hilly footpath that runs through the park on her way to and from work.

It is understood that it is term break for the university now, but students enrolled in special semester classes are due to sit for exams in about two weeks.

Police say that their investigations are ongoing.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Basically put lionnoisy is using flawed examples.

Singapore is a self-contained, closed system for crime and crime supression while the plenty of other cities he quotes are open systems with plenty of space for the criminals to retreat to or to get their logistics and the means for organized crime.

Also, Singapore is able to spend a lot more money and resources on crime supression and to implement it within the population, this is unlike other nations who have a much bigger space to spread their resources out over. Running away from the law in Victoria running away is a far easier prospect then being trapped on an island like Singapore where the law is never more then 10 minutes away.

In fact the if you tally all the figures you might need to ask this:

How come while we can afford to use so much more resources on crime then other nations with much larger spaces and looser systems to contend with...

We still have such a crime rate?

Why still got so many parang attacks when the parang attackers can't go more then 10 min away from the police?

The answer is obvious, but if lionnoisy dares to answer it he would have admitted my point and lost his entire argument... hence he does not dare.

sgdiehard SG

feel sorry for you.

He deserves every bit of it.

lionnoisy SG

I moved to Melbourne from Singapore with my family 11 years ago. Sadly, i have to agree with the statistics here.

During my 13years in Singapore, I have not once experienced any crimes committed against me or my family and friends.

Drugs are a common sight here, used syringes litter the streets and i have even been offered drugs while walking on the street.

I definately feel that Singapore is a MUCH MUCH MUCH safer place than Australia.

very few forumers come forward to tell their bad experiences in Oz.

This is the exception.

U can decide it is a norm or just a extreme cases.

All are inter related

Corruptions,ineffective governments and judiciary,

lack of control of guns,

lack of control of gangsters leading to drugs and other crimes.

Then,drugs leads to more problems....

There is no stand alone issues.

http://www.nationaldrugstrategy.gov.au/internet/drugstrategy/publishing.nsf/Content/research-lp

read here for social issues of Oz---drugs and alcohol

and this thread

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/165829

The gangsters now put on jackets to do white collar crimes

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24338632-601,00.html

Now the street gangsters go into bigger business.

U can assured a platoon of lawyers will help them.

Next stop?Politics!!Very big money and Business!!

EXCLUSIVE: Gary Hughes and Adele Ferguson | September 13, 2008

UNDERWORLD criminal networks and outlawed motorcycle gangs are exploiting weaknesses in corporate laws and poor regulation of financial markets, reaping multi-million-dollar profits from suspected share market manipulation, asset stripping and the snatching of control of companies they force into administration.

Five state and federal agencies - Victoria Police Purana gangland taskforce, the Australian Federal Police, the Australian Crime Commission, the Australian Securities and Investments Commission and the Australian Tax Office - are investigating financial deals and share transactions worth at least $100 million.

Legitimate business owners have alleged that standover tactics, including physical threats and intimidation, have been used in some cases to try to force through deals or stop people going to the authorities.

Quote --by Asian Aussie

I have one simple question for noisy dumb lion.

You say in your post that Oz people living in Oz know Oz well.

You don't live in Oz, you were rejected by Oz immigration.

What experience of Oz gives you the right to make a comment about life in Oz or make a judgment?

Answer this, don't run away with your bullshit twisted "facts".

I just put up the facts and figures and put very few comments here.

If i write more,i am afraid u guys will send a contract killer...

U says i am anti---Aussie and insulting lifes in aussie.

Is there any problems for the caption

I dunt think so.u can read from the links and they clearly

show my conclusion.

Of course,u can discount anythings if u want and we discuss more.

Eg,if u think Vic gets more cars per population than SG

(I am not sure),then u can give discount in cars related crimes.

I alreday calculated for u guys.

If u give a 30 % discount for Vic figure but increase SG by 30%,

u will get 5080 vs 936 crimes per 100,000 persons for

Victoria and SG respectively.

Every one has freedom of expression.Right?

I have read oz newspaper for the past at least 2 years daily!!

I have pretty confidences i have a good picture there.

I dunt depends few puzzle to guess the picture.

Understand builds up day by day.

If u going to Oz,i think u better follow me.

Then u can pick up in Oz faster.

For example,I wrote sometime back water problem in Oz.

one SG resident in a Oz city said he dunt know.

Today,i think some environment groups are writing

the obituary for the Murray Darling Delta!!

if u dunt know wat is it,search it.

Again-----perception and reality test

If u have a better perception for Oz,it is ok.Just

do what u like.The reality test will tell u the truths.

I just tell the official and reliable figures.

Did i lie and distort the figures?

No need tell me any particular crimes cases in SG.

Remember,we cant escape from number game.

This is a matter of probability.

We are talking about norm ,not extreme cases.

SG also get body chopping cases.

BTW,just share with u some drugs info so u have less

culture shocks

Frequency in % of abuses
Substances Never Ever Year Month Week
analgesics....4.9.......95.1....92.0.....69.7.....40.6
Tranquillisers83.8.... 16.2.... 9.4..... 4.1....... 2.4
Cannabis......75.0..... 25.0... 20.7... 11.4..... 6.6
Inhalants......79.5..... 20.5 ...14.9 ...9.3........ 5.8
Hallucinogens95.6..... 4.4 ....3.1....... 1.6....... 1.0
Amphetamines93.4..... 6.6....5.0...... 2.6........1.5
Cocaine...........96.9......3.1 ...2.2..... 1.3.........0.8

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/165829

mnnn

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Crime on the rise in Singapore?

A trend since 1997...

MINISTER for Home Affairs Wong Kan Seng indicated Tuesday that crime rate in Singapore on sharp rise in 1998 and the outlook for the crime situation this year is "not bright".

In his speech to officiate a police workplan seminar, the minister revealed that the crime rate went up by 5.2 percent last year in Singapore and the crime rate rise has reversed a nine-year consecutive fall in the overall crime rate. Latest data published recently by the police shows that there were 48,260 major criminal cases in 1998 in the city state compared with 45,896 cases in the previous year. It also affirmed that the police arrested 33,537 suspects last year, 3248 more over 1997 .

Wong said that the increase in the crime rate was due in part to a sharp rise in immigration offenses. The crime increase would have been lower at 4.4 percent if immigration offenses are excluded, he noted.

Taking the increase in total population, Wong said, the increase in the crime rate is just slightly over one percent, rising from 1064 per 100, 000 population in 1998 compared with 1054 in 1997. Citing police arrested some 23,000 illegal immigrants or overstayers last year, Wong said the police have stepped up efforts in all checkpoints including the sea around Singapore in a bid to uncover any illegal immigrants.

Underlining that reducing the crime rate in the current economic situation has great significance for the island country, Wong said the police is planning tougher enforcement to address the problem. He also called upon the police to push on with organizational development and to be prepared for possible contingencies in the year ahead to deal with problems such as the Y2K problem which may require police assistance or intervention.

Singapore's crime rate dropped for nine successive years prior to 1998. For 1995 and 1996, the World Economic Forum's Global Competitiveness Report considered Singapore's crime situation was the best in the world.

2005 was a challenging year for Police. Overall crime in 2005 increased by about 19.9%, from 30,623 cases in 2004 to 36,704 cases or overall crime rate of 843, an increase from 772 in 2004. The bulk of the increase was once again largely attributed to minor crimes, such as theft in dwelling and other theft. Handphone crime featured prominently in the increases for several offences, most notably robbery, snatch theft and other theft. The number of youths arrested fell from 5,010 in 2004 to 4,594 in 2005. However, as the tendency towards crime needs to be curbed at an early age, Police will still continue to focus our efforts in tackling youth crime. The number of arrests made by the Police increased by 9.5% from 19,284 to 21,108. This is a record high. Theft and related offences¹ constituted more than half (62%) of overall crime cases. Offences in this category increased by 4,568 cases, from 18,236 to 22,804 cases in 2005. Theft in dwelling increased by 1,351 cases, from 7,629 cases to 8,980 cases of which shop theft increased by 581 cases, from 4,644 to 5,225 cases. Other theft², which are commonly cases where victims left their belongings unattended in public places such as shops, eating places, void decks, schools etc, increased by 2,310 cases, from 5,019 to 7,329 cases. Eight of the nine index crimes³ recorded increases. Motor vehicle theft recorded a decrease of 5%. The comparative statistics are attached at Annex A. Handphone crimes⁴ remain a key area of concern. The number of such cases increased by 1,414, from 3,411 to 4,825 cases in 2005. Several offences which saw notable increases in handphones being targeted were, other theft (from 1,096 to 1,837 cases), robbery (from 344 to 488 cases), and snatch theft (from 162 to 283 cases). A total of 4,594 youths were arrested for crime in 2005, as compared to 5,010 in 2004. Six out of every 10 youths arrested were involved in theft and related offences (2,845 persons), of which 1423 persons were arrested for shop theft, and 767 persons were arrested for other theft

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

This was NOT reported in the SG mass media.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfnya...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdXH5...eature=related

In case you're too lazy to click, here's the story.

This happens on the ASEAN Charter signing date, 20th November 2007.
A lady is going to Shangri-La Hotel, where the Charter is being signed, to meet her friend. On the way, the police stops her and asks her to leave, that being a protected area. Technically, it is LEGAL to pass that area to get to the Hotel, she's not loitering, but the police refuses to hear that, nor provide a reason.

In Part 2, the lady argues with a police officer on whether she should be allowed to pass. She gets arrested, and everywhere, people are passing that area, but are not being stopped. Finally, the cameraman steps in and challenges the police officers, accusing them of bullying a citizen of Singapore and ignoring the Singapore Pledge, which goes:

"We, the citizens of Singapore, pledge ourselves as one united people, Regardless of race, language or religion, to build a democratic society, based on justice and equality, so as to achieve happiness, prosperity and progress for our nation."

Not long after, the cameraman gets arrested as well, apparently for "disobeying a police officer's instructions", while the police officer still cannot come up with a valid reason on why of everyone, only the two of them are not allowed to pass. When they get arrested, a journalist is filming the police van, but she is not arrested or even stopped.

Soon after, when they are in the van, the policeman prevents him from using his phone, even though it's legal.

The twist is that the ASEAN Charter is meant to ensure the rights of humans within the ASEAN countries.

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