Army boys should not be allowed on public buses

Crazydeezee SG

Medical checkup. Hehe.

angel7030 SG

Medical checkup. Hehe.

Like this, you can also bluff the medical doctor too, this pain, that pain...then no need NS already.

SehenSieMich SG

If one does not understand the intent and purpose of whatever is being done, obviously they will not be able to see the big picture.

Singaporeans are living in a very safe environment, compared to othe countries in the world. Perhaps this is why most of us are clouded by this perception that Singapore will forever be safe, and conflicts with other countries are impossible.

Do you choose to continue to live under this disillusion? Or learn from history and try to see the bigger picture?

I think Martin Luther King put it best when he said this:

"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."

Let clear heads prevail and understand both sides of the story.

Crazydeezee SG

Haha doesn't happen for everyone.

Some ppl don't want to do it, but will do it cos it's their "duty". They do not feel "keng"-ing is acceptable for them.

Others are worried about being charged for lying or something. That's not cowardice, that's plain common sense. Few ppl want to get f-ed over for lying at their NS checkup.

Like Sergeant Major said: "If you f*** with the system, the system will f*** you up. You'd better standby one tub of jello to lube your a** if you do". Heh.

angel7030 SG

anything under force volunteerism is not going to produce a productive result.

Crazydeezee SG

angel7030 said:

"anything under force volunteerism is not going to produce a productive result."

Hm, sorry, i don't understand. Pls clarify.

noahnoah SG

actually me dun think army is kind of really

force one

for me , one more ICT to go, then i rod liao

looking back

I think is pretty interesting experience for me

Crazydeezee SG

noahnoah

"actually me dun think army is kind of really

force one

for me , one more ICT to go, then i rod liao

looking back

I think is pretty interesting experience for me"

Interesting. Reminds me of this fascinating question.

Say you lock X in a room. You post a guard outside to shoot him if he escapes. X stays in the room happily, regardless of how unhappy the other inmates are. Unlike inmates who test the lock or even break out, X doesn't think to do the same thing.

Has X's freedom been taken away? For that matter, have the other inmates also been deprived of their freedom?

angel7030 SG

Hm, sorry, i don't understand. Pls clarify.

NS is voluntary or force into by the law, in this case, many guys told me that they can volunteer to serve army but not neccessary need 2 years ++, volunteer is something of a help, it is a passion, a commitment, but by forcing it into law and requirement, it is no more a passion or commitment, rather, the guy serving there will just pass or count the days resulting in wastage of taxpayers money and defence objectives.

Crazydeezee SG

Ah. Thank you for your clarification.

I think you've just said what many NS guys and sensible folks are trying to say. ^_^

sgdiehard SG

how do you make bomb from simple material?? I also wan to learn

cannot tell you lah, only for guys.

Crazydeezee SG

sgdiehard said:

"cannot tell you lah, only for guys."

Hm i might say "only for SCE ppl". Just in case the guy you tell puts that knowledge to "good" use ;).

sgdiehard SG

anything under force volunteerism is not going to produce a productive result.

who says NS is volunteer? we force people to go ns and train them, but when fire burn up yr ass, we will not force you to fight, you will be grateful you've learnt how to fight. unless you can migrate lah...

Gironde SG

what a bitch

sepjc96 SG

green monster? exaggerating

the Bear SG

Crazydeezee SG

what a bitch

Hm actually angel7030's statement does make sense. Conscription is counter-productive because it forces ppl to do what they don't want to do. Resources are wasted on forcing people to conform to moulds against their will. It'd be better to keep a regular army rather than force ppl into a conscript one. That's what many of us NSmen actually argue too.

However, perhaps she shd've clarified that she wasn't belittling our work. Hating army =/= being an f---ed up soldier.

*Maybe one isn't as "good" as the gung-ho regulars in professional armies. But you can't expect ppl who must still live lives other than soldiering to be as "gung-ho" as soldiers who make soldiering their *life.

More importantly, our sacrifices still count for a lot- esp because they are forced from us. I know quite a lot of guys who hated NS, yet did their job as well as they could for various reasons (not letting buddies down, among other things).

Crazydeezee SG

green monster? exaggerating

RAWRRRR.

Yeah, right.

sgdiehard SG

Ah. Thank you for your clarification.

I think you've just said what many NS guys and sensible folks are trying to say. ^_^

nah...if there is passion, the guy would sign on. it is a commitment so guys would not go awol whenever he can, it is a commitment so you complete the task so that your whole platoon can go home week end. It is positive personal attitude that makes you do the best you can during the two years.

We know that if we don't give that commitment, there is more likelihood that we might have to defend ourselves, and not many of us can run when there is a need to fight...., We all wish never have to use what we learn in NS, that is what sensible folk would say.

guy who just pass or count the days wasting taxpayers money will also pass on or count their days when they don't like their job but cannot find better ones, it is their own time and life they are wasting.

Crazydeezee SG

Whether we like it or not, we still get the job done.

There are plenty of "act garang" types who actually don't pull their bloody weight and sabo us all.

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