Wiping out the root of terrorism

last SG · 2008-12-01T18:58:29+00:00

You are barking up the wrong tree......If you look closely, the root cause of terrorism, is simple.The root cause is always, territorial, nationalistic, poli...

RoyFang SG

Look at the way you side-track

What people mean is why there is no outrage when the terrorsits murdered the infidels and you post links of Muslims protesting terrorism against their own bethren.

Oh right, first they say why is there no action from the Muslims against terrorism.

Then when the Muslims acted aganist terrorism, people say why they only protest against terrorism against their own people....

googoomuck SG

Oh right, first they say why is there no action from the Muslims against terrorism.

Then when the Muslims acted aganist terrorism, people say why they only protest against terrorism against their own people....

OK, OK. We know that you never stick to the point in your replies.

rokkie SG

7 years had passed by, my dear. 7 years to correct one simple mistake - misinterpretations. In that time, a 6 year old kid would have passed his PSLE exams, a JC student would have gotten his University degree, etc..need i elaborate more?

Worse still, there had been cases of funding for these deviants of the great Islamic faith. Who had been sympathising with them? They should have been wiped out 7 years ago, yet they still exist not only in the middle east, but even in s-e asia.

It is incredulous that the Islamic faith could issue international 'Fatawas' against writers or act against couples kissing in public, and yet here the deviants are flagrantly besmirching their religion, which they admitted in 911, not only continues to walk boldly, they could even get funds and support!

Lotus, you may be a kind and soft hearted person, but i am sure that when a terrorist gun is pointed at your head, for terrorism has no mercy for anyone and anyone could be a target, with the trigger ready to pulled, you will be singing a different tune.

Let's you and me appeal to the Islamic faithful to act more decisively on a global scale, even requesting they perform 'evangelical' preaching into terrorists hotspots around the world, excommunicating errant mullahs or imans, to stop this targetting of innocents. If not, it will be other humans will have to do the job, one way or another, which we must avoid and avert.

correct mis interpretation
but you are resorting to whom to correct the misinterpretation, i believe most of the terrorist ,think US is the evil, i don't know whether it's about the misintepretation, US think terrorist is evil, terrorist think US is evil.

And by the way, could you cite some example of the mis interpretation, how they distort Quran,as you said,

rokkie SG

Agree with you except for the 2nd point. Best we cleared it up once and for all so that there can be no sympathising or excuses for terrorists acts.

Let us depend on facts and NOT on conspiracy theories.

Fact is, US attacked Iraq because Sadam, the expansionist despot who invaded and murdered even people of his own religion, not only Iran but kuwait as well, had used the possesion of nuclear weapons or the lack of it to threaten the rest of the world.

Despite several datelines being redrawn to ensure that there is really NO nuclear weapons with this madman, he failed and ignored every plea from every fearful leader in the world to allow inspections. There was no need to hide anything. These are supposed nuclear warheads we are talking about, capable of wiping out a population and render the land uninhabitable for years, as well as the drift of nuclear wastes into the atmosphere destroying neighbouring lands, not a piece of seditious paper.

US did what it had to do, to ensure there really was no nukes, even though the CIA initially said there was. Casualties were kept to a minimum, and when the war was over in days, they had wanted to go home.

What ensued was that the outlawed Al Queda seized the opportunity to enter Iraq, and turn the US fight against Sadam, which the population welcomed and waved with american flags, into a religious war, for years as a measure to keep the iraq weak, killing its govt officials and security forces, and US confined in Iraq without linking up its armies in afghanistan. ( even now, it is attempting to make the US ally Pakistan engage in a war with india to prevent the allies from helping US. Al Queda must be bleeding now)

There had been conspiracy theories abound, but please, conspiracy theories are only good for reading on a bored night, but not based on actual fact. While there may have been complexities, let us sort out the facts and agree upon first.

Like a jigsaw puzzle, we look for corners and straight edges first in order to unravel a puzzle. Similarly, let us get the facts straight first before we even comtemplate the complex stuff, if it even exists, just like Elvis aint dead is even now still believed.

in fact i don't know much about sadam, how he is, is he despot? i know he had invade kuwait, start the gulf war. I guess, neither you know many about him as well, maybe what you know about him ,i from a US media , kind of distorted.

And about the inspection, i think sadam is a different kind of government with US, they may not be so familiar with the procedure or ways dealing with the international issue, but just like singapore, if US suspect singapore hiding Nuclear weapon, is US authorised to search the island, many country in the world have the nuclear weapon, are they consider as a threat in the world, nuclear weapon is a threat, no matter, in which country's hand. So i guess, sadam is with a little pride, would not like to bow his head to US. As because of this his country is invaded , and he is hanged.So unfortunate.

And some country would not like to open up, especially they are deemed as vulgar country, maybe some of you maybe have the same feeling with me, when you saw a woman wearing a veil, you wonder why she do that, you may think it's wierd, but in order to understand a different country, we need to know it, not discriminate,

RoyFang SG

OK, OK. We know that you never stick to the point in your replies.

Stop speaking for whoever you are trying to speak for, if it's your opinion just say "I" don't need try and group yourself with others.

If you want to talk about me going out of point, take a look at your first post in this thread.

RoyFang SG

That's the deal with US, if they suspect your country is hiding WMDs and your government doesn't like the US they will find every little loophole to invade your land.

They think they are the Global Police to ensure peace.

freedomclub SG

What about Israel, India, Pakistan and North Korea? Why isnt the US invading them? Well, maybe Pakistan's turn is coming soon.

googoomuck SG

Stop speaking for whoever you are trying to speak for, if it's your opinion just say "I" don't need try and group yourself with others.

Huh? I don't understand you leh? kekekeke

RoyFang SG

What about Israel, India, Pakistan and North Korea? Why isnt the US invading them? Well, maybe Pakistan's turn is coming soon.

Did Israel and Pakistan do anything to upset the US?

freedomclub SG

My point is that both have nukes, although they have not signed the NPT (Iran has by the way). The WMD case for Iraq is empty because the US sold Saddam biochemicals in the 1970s and 1980s and Saddam's nuclear program was built up by the French. The US invaded Iraq to control oil and because Saddam threatened USD hegemony by selling oil in Euros in 2000.

For Israel, AIPAC ensures that the US doesnt upset Israel.

Pakistan, on the other hand, is accused of the Mumbai attacks, refused to extradite terror suspects, tribal regions getting out of hand, threatening the imperialist army in Afghanistan. For a nation that was an US ally, things seem to be turning for the worse. Not that its necessarily Pakistan's fault. Could be staged just like Iraq. But I'm just saying that Pakistan could potentially be the next front on the War of Terror, I mean War on Terror.

RoyFang SG

For Israel, AIPAC ensures that the US doesnt upset Israel.

Don't forget USA needs Israel and Pakistan.

Israel is located in the Middle East, what is better than having an non-Muslim ally there?

Pakistan is a Muslim nation, +point for USA for having a Muslim ally.

freedomclub SG

Well, having Muslim allies like Saudi Arabia and the gulf states.

And Obama did say that he would invade Pakistan if "terror" continued and US forces have regularly violated Pakistani sovereignty.

Anyway, no one was arguing about their relationship. I simply was pointing out that the WMD case for Iraq was fraudulent, nothing else.

RoyFang SG

Well, having Muslim allies like Saudi Arabia and the gulf states.

And Obama did say that he would invade Pakistan if "terror" continued and US forces have regularly violated Pakistani sovereignty.

Anyway, no one was arguing about their relationship. I simply was pointing out that the WMD case for Iraq was fraudulent, nothing else.

Lol, wasn't USA often criticized for having Saudi as an ally?

Well, I was just answering your question. No offense intended.

freedomclub SG

Yeah, if you call yourself the leader of the "Free" world and a champion of "freedom" and "democracy", having pals like Saudi oil sheihks isnt really the wisest thing to do.

Wasnt offended at all.

RoyFang SG

Don't you think these terrorists are attention loving people?

freedomclub SG

You want to turn the world Islamic and you kill people? How does that help you?

xtreyier SG

Rokkie, you are a prime example of why terrorism cannot be won by bullets alone. The anti-terrorism battle can only be won if it is fought in the minds of the masses, with facts, reason and logic - repeated and reinforced regularly.

If not, terrorism will only gain adherents, recruits and sympathisers who had been fed with conspiracy theories and misinformation as well as mis-interpretations, more so for those whose access to information is limited to the village headmen or iman.

For simplicity sake, i will use an analogy.

Your neighboour is a bastard. He not only beats up his wife and kids, he beats up his neighbours living next door both sides to him. Despite civil actions on him, he persisted in his ways, each time promising to behave, but still continue to do the same.

One day, others saw a big package being delivered into his house. His son revealed it was a torture rack. You as a neigbour decides to investigate, but he insists no. He admits to having a torture rack, but it is only for decorative purposes, without any metallic hooks or chains.

Knowing his background, his history, and the abuse he does to his neighbours and family, you demand he let you in to check, to ensure it is only for decorations and not a contraption in order to protect everyone in the neighbourhood as well as his innocent kids.

You gave him time to open his door, but each dateline he refuses. You fear for his kids and the neighbourhood, and cannot trust this hoodlum. You barge in, and finds out only the wooded rack remain. There were no traces of metallic chains and hooks, perhaps he had already removed them.

The issue here is not one of an owner's right to his home and the priviledge to keep others out. The issue is - what is behind the doors of a habitual human abuser. If there was no delivery of a wooden rack, you would not have barged in, but only to complain to the police about his beatings of neighbours and kids.

But with that rack, which can kill, you have to act, otherwise, you too will one day end up on it when this mad neigbour, in his bouts of insanity, places hooks and chains on it.

Thus, similarly, Sadam is a insane person. And no one is about to trust him not to make nukes when he had actively threatened to do so.

He is insane. Not because the media said so, but because even his own countrymen who suffered under him said so, his own countrymen who judged and decides, hanged him and said so, the kurdish neigbours who had been gassed, said so, Iran, which had a long war with him, said so, Kuwaitis, who had their oil wells burned dry, said so.

Learn to find out the facts before you commit to anything. Never trust what conspiracy theorists claim, because while the theories are not lies, they are neither the truth - for example, if i were to drive to geylang, you can claim that i am visiting prostitutes.

But am I really visiting prostitutes? Or just to savour the great food there? Visiting geylang is a truth, but visiting prostitute may or may not be a truth, because you didnt see me enter a brothel.

But others will readily accept that both are truths when you tell it, for they don't know and just presume it so. There lies the danger of consipiracy theories. It muddles and confused issues, making something that is meant to be easy to comprehend becoming complex.

So becareful. Critically analyse info, even mine, online or libraries microfilm back copies of newspapers, OR you will end up being manipulated and used by others, espacially deviant terrorists into sympathizing them and their deeds.

TTT203 SG

I have no fear of my multicultural fellow citizens here in Spore, because our efforts to promote peaceful living had been largely successful.

I have no fear that we this generation may have to pay the price for our mistake in not tackling fundamentalistic or deviant religious ideologies seriously and effectively.

I only fear that the next generation, whom are innocent, be the ones to suffer for our inactivity and apathy, and they will have to pay the price of being mercilessly cut down.

If we are indeed inactive as you so kindly spoke of, then how has previous efforts been successful if nothing has ever been even done? Irony.

Our own lives are not important, but for the sake of others and the next generations to come, it is a moral dilemma and a hard question we MUST confront and tackle it once and for all, as we come to grips and attempt to make sense of the brutal tragedy before our eyes.

If our own lives are of no importance and virtually worthless in your description, then how more does it make the lives of people of future generations more valued? Contradiction.

There more pressing issues at hand, like the Climate Change issue - it's far more important than any credit crunch which has ever surfaced or any terrorist attack (Theory goes: Climate Change = Affects the entire globe and our existence, not simply the survival of gagged hostages, and any financial matter would eventually be resolved, because it is after all WITHIN the Earth).

xtreyier SG

I have no fear of my multicultural fellow citizens here in Spore, because our efforts to promote peaceful living had been largely successful.

I have no fear that we this generation may have to pay the price for our mistake in not tackling fundamentalistic or deviant religious ideologies seriously and effectively.

I only fear that the next generation, whom are innocent, be the ones to suffer for our inactivity and apathy, and they will have to pay the price of being mercilessly cut down.

If we are indeed inactive as you so kindly spoke of, then how has previous efforts been successful if nothing has ever been even done? Irony.

If our own lives are of no importance and virtually worthless in your description, then how more does it make the lives of people of future generations more valued? Contradiction.

Like you, i believe we are responsible for the mess we wrecked on the planet through our apathy or ignorance over many issues. The next generation are innocent and is not fair for us to leave them our mess.

I am only one person and very focus on wiping out terrorism after 7 years of failure, terrorism of which a person can die anytime anyplace and anywhere faster than climate change can ever claim lives.

I sincerly wish you good luck at your Climate Change activism and hope you will enjoy good support in any thread in any forum you will participate in.

cheers!

RoyFang SG

For simplicity sake, i will use an analogy.

But with that rack, which can kill, you have to act, otherwise, you too will one day end up on it when this mad neigbour, in his bouts of insanity, places hooks and chains on it.

Thus, similarly, Sadam is a insane person. And no one is about to trust him not to make nukes when he had actively threatened to do so.

But in this example: you will get charged for trespassing and get a fine.

What did other nations do to USA after they found out that there is no WMDs in Iraq? NOTHING! USA make life even worser for the Iraqis, seriously which war in our history made the lives of the citizens of an invaded country better?

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