Chinese tainted milk scandal company bankrupt

last SG · 2008-12-27T13:04:13+00:00

in sanlu case, isnt it greedy, cheating, unethical, shameless altogether? it is time chinese like yourself can start to take critism of your country own mist...

Doraemonboi SG

it is normal to see china products every where =] open ur handphone cover omg china [email protected][email protected]#!#! will it expload ? no idea

4sg SG

And so what if one is slower than the other if both are slow?

You acknowledged that how fast one sees is a matter of perspective, so how did you come to a conclusion that one is faster than the other?

Your view on the pace of China economic reform is your own view. That is your point. I don't agree with you but I am not interested in running you down or be against you. I am being diplomatic here with you.

The relative pace of China economic reform vis-a-vis it's polical reform is well documented. Recently, there is an article in the Straits Times by LKY who commented on these areas. Go read them. Don't can here and argue for the sake of arguing, OK?

16/f/lonely SG

I'm doing that because you are contradicting yourself.....

Neither do I agree with you......

And I do find it rather wierd that few of you ever answer my questions directly here, but choose to side-step them.

So....besides reading that article and nodding your head, how did you come to that conclusion?

Edit: Like stevens101 says, where's the fun if you just quote an article for me to look at?

rokkie SG

It may or may not be snail-paced economic reform to any one....

but certainly faster pace as compare with political reform.....that my point.

that's true,

rokkie SG

It may or may not be snail-paced economic reform to any one....

but certainly faster pace as compare with political reform.....that my point.

actually political reform need to be conducted more conservatively, because any big change will greatly affect china's stability ,and for china stability is above all,

reyes SG

i dont believe the communist run china will ever have a genuine political reform. economically reform china is doing a good job at least for now trying various means to stimulate its own economy.

reyes SG

you have too much misconceptlisation about china.

wrong spelling leh. by the way, which part is not correct? please correct instead of just passing a casual comment.

rokkie SG

i dont believe the communist run china will ever have a genuine political reform. economically reform china is doing a good job at least for now trying various means to stimulate its own economy.

china will carry out political reform, but maybe not so substantial, like increase the transparency, efficiency, if china's governent learn from singapore, being very active and regulative and so on and so forth, or learn from western country ,china already dissolved , you must bear in mind, china is a large country, south north tension, xinjiang province tension. tibet tension,

So china have it's unique way,

333225520 SG

i dont believe the communist run china will ever have a genuine political reform. economically reform china is doing a good job at least for now trying various means to stimulate its own economy.

Don't think has anything to do with if China is run as communist. Afterall, I don't consider China a true communist state now, since everyone should be earning the same if in communist state, right?

The problem with the tainted milk incidence is more out of greed and corruption, which is because China is simply too big to gov.

rokkie SG

Don't think has anything to do with if China is run as communist. Afterall, I don't consider China a true communist state now, since everyone should be earning the same if in communist state, right?

The problem with the tainted milk incidence is more out of greed and corruption, which is because China is simply too big to gov.

glad to hear you say that

16/f/lonely SG

actually political reform need to be conducted more conservatively, because any big change will greatly affect china's stability ,and for china stability is above all,

There's no one perfect political system.....and if the current regime has managed to engineer quite an astounding improvement in its poverty levels, well, why not?

Admittedly, political freedom or even individual freedom is more or less, less than desired. But champions of that can be considered as hypocrites looking at how they act.

There are many that believe political and economic reforms go hand in hand, but China is a good empirical example that it is not so. And Russia provides an even more stark contrast that supports this further.

Stevenson101 SG

i dont believe the communist run china will ever have a genuine political reform. economically reform china is doing a good job at least for now trying various means to stimulate its own economy.

What do you define as genuine political reforms?

I'd just like to know, because i've seen this phrase being thrown around like it means something but i'm not getting it.

reyes SG

Don't think has anything to do with if China is run as communist. Afterall, I don't consider China a true communist state now, since everyone should be earning the same if in communist state, right?

The problem with the tainted milk incidence is more out of greed and corruption, which is because China is simply too big to gov.

i had know some gong An in zhejiang province thru a business friend. thru drinking session, i can sense corruption in most part of their local province govt. it is corrupted because the local province govt do not feel a sense of responsible for their action to the ppl they govern. their appt and promotion thru the system is depends who know u in the beijing central govt.

it has not much to do with the size by the structure of the system.

reyes SG

What do you define as genuine political reforms?

I'd just like to know, because i've seen this phrase being thrown around like it means something but i'm not getting it.

i am not sure whether you are asking me about what is the truth political reform in china or in general. in my own opinion it affect few front such as democracy, standard of transparency,accountability, further enhance the completeness of legislation body or in summary political structure.

i respect china is communist countrythere is limited changes they can build on current platform thus all kind of changes they are ringing to trying to sell is very superficial

reyes SG

So china have it's unique way,

whether china carry political reform or not, is not my pt, as i said earlier there is limited political reform the communist party leaders can build on the communist platform.thus i dare not have much high hope.

u mention about xinjiang, tibet etc is to do with soverignity of china it has nothing in my opinion to do with its own political reform.

i support china stance on xinjiang, tibet, yunan, inner mogolia as autonomy state and never allow a breakaway from china.

rokkie SG

whether limited political reform or not, as long as it do good to public, it's ok, democracy maybe could not be achieved in a short run,

but as far as china is concerned, democracy is not priority, like in the west, almost all the country is occupied by a single ethnicity, many country dissolved, because they cannot handle the inter ethnicity issue well.

i don't know whether you are aware or not, president Hu put harmony on the table, which is an old traditional chinese culture, if china follow the footstep of the west, china definitely will dissolve.

So i don't think china could exactly copy western system.

Xinjiang ,tibet, is just many of the tension china is facing, they are just like a time bomb, if you don't handle it well. it will explode.

So economy is just part of china's blueprint, stability and as a result sustainbility is top priority

rokkie SG

the tainted milk show that china government is not regulative in the milk industry, but just exactly like western country, that's the price have to be paid to modernisation,

And although this incident kill 6 child, and thousand of them affected.

But i can guarantee, if stability is not achieved, it will be much much worse than this.

angel7030 SG

the tainted milk show that china government is not regulative in the milk industry, but just exactly like western country, that's the price have to be paid to modernisation,

And although this incident kill 6 child, and thousand of them affected.

But i can guarantee, if stability is not achieved, it will be much much worse than this.

I believe that china businesses will slowly learn from the lesson of cheating. The result is bankruptcy. The impact is severe and dangerous to people health.

Hope that they can gain back the trust of customers on chinese products and pursue a more cleaner and ethical way of running businesses.

fairlady_xoxo SG

After all that has happened recently....everyone is now so paranoid about dary products from china and companies using china dairy to produce them. In face it's been boycott by so many people that i wouldn't be surprised that the company is bankrupt and facing credibility issues.

Hello Kitty SG

it's a political empty move.

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