Chinese tainted milk scandal company bankrupt

last SG · 2008-12-27T13:04:13+00:00

in sanlu case, isnt it greedy, cheating, unethical, shameless altogether? it is time chinese like yourself can start to take critism of your country own mist...

reyes SG

whether limited political reform or not, as long as it do good to public, it's ok, democracy maybe could not be achieved in a short run,

but as far as china is concerned, democracy is not priority, like in the west, almost all the country is occupied by a single ethnicity, many country dissolved, because they cannot handle the inter ethnicity issue well.

i don't know whether you are aware or not, president Hu put harmony on the table, which is an old traditional chinese culture, if china follow the footstep of the west, china definitely will dissolve.

So i don't think china could exactly copy western system.

Xinjiang ,tibet, is just many of the tension china is facing, they are just like a time bomb, if you don't handle it well. it will explode.

So economy is just part of china's blueprint, stability and as a result sustainbility is top priority

i think u r confuse, how can communist run country have democracy? are you expecting the dissolve of the communist party? are you hearing they are going to have local governer being elected by ppl?

the political reform you are hearing is built is having higher tolerant of critism of communist party and greying area of OB markers for speech freedom.

reyes SG

the tainted milk show that china government is not regulative in the milk industry, but just exactly like western country, that's the price have to be paid to modernisation,

And although this incident kill 6 child, and thousand of them affected.

But i can guarantee, if stability is not achieved, it will be much much worse than this.

dont get your pt. the NZ company has alerted sanlu about the melamine found to sanlu and even alerted the local provincial govt. but they decided to keep mum over the issue for few mths. how such action going to disstablise the communist rule by saving more lives? dont u think this is just action of the selfishness and self profiteering of the close relationship between the local provincial enterprise and govt officials.

fairlady_xoxo SG

i think that this is really the last straw with regards to credibility of chinese produce and product

reyes SG

there are also some responsible chinese company too but the pt we dont know who and when such things will happen again, i dont think we are going to hear the last yet. i still eat century egg from china, eat instant noodles made in china while in sg. and i eat everything from china while on biz trip there. When my time is up, its up lor. i take my life easy.

rokkie SG

I believe that china businesses will slowly learn from the lesson of cheating. The result is bankruptcy. The impact is severe and dangerous to people health.

Hope that they can gain back the trust of customers on chinese products and pursue a more cleaner and ethical way of running businesses.

in aspect of ethics, businessman cannot even be compared to 5 years old kid, they are result oriented, so i think what we need here is more regulation

rokkie SG

i think u r confuse, how can communist run country have democracy? are you expecting the dissolve of the communist party? are you hearing they are going to have local governer being elected by ppl?

the political reform you are hearing is built is having higher tolerant of critism of communist party and greying area of OB markers for speech freedom.

but current stage, we have not be able to elect our own local governor, but my point is democracy is not the only solution, it depends, also democracy is beautiful, but it's not a must,

just like me, i live in china now, i feel comfortable, no matter who is ruling, as long as they don't annoy me, it's ok,

western label china as communist country, but you see, china is not like the rest of the communist country, china have it's unique way, china is pulling ppl out of poverty.

If Jiang jieshi win the war against mao, i think the new china will go a capitalist way, but Mao win, why because he win the support of public,

i have tell you, during those day, the capitalist world got a lot of problem, recession, unemployment, so china choose to go a socialist way with china flavor,

I have tell you stability is above all, why china till now still remain as one country, because chinese people are tolerant, they can tolerant each other ,accept each other as they are, if china go western way, yes, economy will greatly boasted, but people become more selfish, more egoestic, no more tolerate ,then the tension in china will become very huge, social and inter ethnical harmony will be greatly endangered.

rokkie SG

it's an isolated incident, anyway sanlu already go bankcrupt, and many people who commit crime is being under judiciary procedure,

And the the product contains melamine, will not affect adult so much, i am not excusing some company from this incident, anyway, the child drink the milk powder, can seek compensation through judiciary procedure

And i can garantee, this is not last, because from philosophical point of view, as long as human is participating in the industry, they will commit fault, but i can garantee, from now on the milk industry will never have such thing again, china already come up will new regulation,

anyway, china is not like the old days, only making the low quality product, when i was young, i also never trust china product, i prefer japan product, because of high quality, but china already not the old china, like lenovo, haier, huawei, many company already being the top 500 in the world. And what we are producing, is with the highest technology.

It used to be like this, the high ranking officer in the company are from hongkong , taiwan or singapore, but, now more and more local manager is emerging, consist of 90% of the industry, it's the fruit we get from opening up.

No one could be exemplified from this case, i hope they can learn a lesson, and i apologize for everyone have been affect by this thing in singapore,

reyes SG

but current stage, we have not be able to elect our own local governor, but my point is democracy is not the only solution, it depends, also democracy is beautiful, but it's not a must,

just like me, i live in china now, i feel comfortable, no matter who is ruling, as long as they don't annoy me, it's ok,

western label china as communist country, but you see, china is not like the rest of the communist country, china have it's unique way, china is pulling ppl out of poverty.

If Jiang jieshi win the war against mao, i think the new china will go a capitalist way, but Mao win, why because he win the support of public,

i have tell you, during those day, the capitalist world got a lot of problem, recession, unemployment, so china choose to go a socialist way with china flavor,

i am not saying democracy is beautiful nor will it solve china food contaminated issues. but in democracy, the ruling govt will feel the pressure to perform and responsible to the ppl otherwise they will be voted out. this is not happening in a communist rule! maybe the current wenjiabao, hujintao is responsible and willingness to crack down on corruption etc, but what happen to china if the Ren da meeting choose someone who rule like Mao or jiangching? are the chinese going to wait for them to die again and hopefully another deng xiaoping to appear again?

anyway, whether china is communist or not, is not my priority la. i just work in china occassionally and i must say agree that chinese ppl are very tolerant and nice to foreigner.

reyes SG

i applaud for what china as achieve, but on the other hand, we have seen numerious time how china can outsmart the rest of the world and going around the law and keep producing sub standard products, such as toys, fish, , century egg, milk, milk by products.

until china can stamp it from happening, the opinion of the world of china will remain.

pearlie27 SG

until china can stamp it from happening, the opinion of the world of china will remain.

This will take another one or two generations!

rokkie SG

anyway, whether china is communist or not, is not my priority la. i just work in china occassionally and i must say agree that chinese ppl are very tolerant and nice to foreigner.

i agree, that what you said ,is probably worried not only by you also by US governor, since china's political leader is not elected by public, will they resort on some extreme action.

i don't know how to answer this question, because you know china is not so transparent, i don't know how the National people congress, or central government works.

it's a large topic, i will come back on talk it another day,

there r some snooker game showing on tv, i gonna to watch it now, but i will come back another day.

reyes SG

This will take another one or two generations!

yeah u r probably right or even shorter if the communist party can come out with a systematic and comprehensive legislation framework cum more impt determination to do it.

somehow i feel chinese communist party can achieve any feat if they put heart to it. such as the 3 gorges dam project.

But when it come to issue such as fake drugs, food, contaminated food the commuist doesnt seem to take it full hearted and often do a half Fxxk job that leave the matter to provincial govt which often lack the expertise and resources to perform it.

Stevenson101 SG

yeah u r probably right or even shorter if the communist party can come out with a systematic and comprehensive legislation framework cum more impt determination to do it.

somehow i feel chinese communist party can achieve any feat if they put heart to it. such as the 3 gorges dam project.

From what i understand, there's always been a difficult relationship between Beijing and the provincial government. Beijing has always had problems getting the provincial government to do what it wants and the provincial government often resent central interference and regulation.

I won't say Beijing doesn't care about the fake drugs and food, they know the social impact of it. This is afterall, a country that has seen most of its fair share of peasant uprisings. But i doubt they have full knowledge of what goes on in the provinces until something blows up.

That's what i feel about the matter, at least.

reyes SG

the mayor , provincial governor is all appointed by beijing.

there maybe conflict of interest when come to pollution control, restructing and even closing of factories.

any internal problems can only be resolves by internally. and we consumers of china, definitely hope they can do that soon.

rokkie SG

yeah u r probably right or even shorter if the communist party can come out with a systematic and comprehensive legislation framework cum more impt determination to do it.

somehow i feel chinese communist party can achieve any feat if they put heart to it. such as the 3 gorges dam project.

about the taking full hearted, i think things have change in recent years, the tainted milk problem, actually come out by some farmer who made this melamine in order to make the milk contain more protein when being inspected by the sanlu company, so sanlu's fault is basically being ignorant.

And there are some interest conflict between local government and central government, local government in order to achieve more economy development, also being ignorant in relugating the industry.

And again about taking full hearted, i would like to introducing a buddhism term,not being attached, yes we have to take full hearted, but not be blinded by it, we have to step by step make a sustainable development,

Nowadays the world in order to achieve more economy development, have been ignorant in enviorment, polution, and i guess this world finicancial crisis, is being caused by people's greedy, sometimes, i was wondering, why we always talking about GDP growth rate, if the economy already saturated, why we could not just maintain the growth rate, so history have prove we cannot grow all the way through, some times it bounce back, so i think attaining sustainable development is extremely important, if you don't plan forehanded, you will pay for it in the short future.

rokkie SG

i agree, that what you said ,is probably worried not only by you also by US governor, since china's political leader is not elected by public, will they resort on some extreme action.

i don't know how to answer this question, because you know china is not so transparent, i don't know how the National people congress, or central government works.

it's a large topic, i will come back on talk it another day,

there r some snooker game showing on tv, i gonna to watch it now, but i will come back another day.

continue this, i don't want to longwind here, because when china is monarchy, the decision is done by the emporer, now is done by group, so unless the central commitee are all insane, they will not do silly thing,

many of this official, have worked in some prefectural or provincial government, untill they are enrolled to the central government, they have manifest their political maturity, so you don't have to worry about this,

angel7030 SG

aiya, just because of a tainted milk co went bust and you guys get so long long winded. Go bust go bust lah, there are also many companies that went busted with unethical practices, china will not be spare, and why??? because man are born to be greedy mah.

China is one country that i look forward to, she has a very unique situation indeed, communist rulers controlling a democratic capitalise economy, and still progressing.

Chinese are well know to take the short cut out, they like to cheat and yet provide, quick thinking and business orientated peoples. Deng xiao peng had once said about chinese peoples, he said "we, the chinese people have the ability to cheat you without you knowing, aren't we clever people, but used in the wrong way, so if we can teach ourselves to use our talent correctly, we will be the best in the Global market, many fears chinese businessmen, for they can wipe out any business with their competitiveness"

China is still an infant in the global markets, the present communist govt have done a good job both in her economy and create wealth for her citizens. As she grows bigger, she will learn from past experiences and strive on to improve it quality and ethical practices, just like korea, samsung, LG and hyundai were formerly a laugh stock product of the world, the mention of them give you thinking of poor quality and cheapsake product, but today....look at them...can anytime beat the japanese in term of cost and quality.

rokkie SG

deng xiaoping said this, i cannot believe, it's so low,

angel7030 SG

deng xiaoping said this, i cannot believe, it's so low,

low is does not mean no value, he speaks the truth and sunk deep into his countrymen heart and soul, that changed his country men to more advocate to righteous and ethical practices. He never wanted china to be a kind of short terms growth, he looked toward long terms growth and to do that, credibility of the peoples running the business especially banks and financial insitute must be sound and well managed, then china can then attract Foreign investment which is what happening now. "whether it is a white or black cat, as long as it can catch the mice, it is a good cat" that alone open up the class differentiation of chinese peoples. Whatever class you are in, as long as you can do the job perfectly, you are in for a good career.

rokkie SG

when ppl is poor don't talk about ethics, we have to survive, and after people can feed themselves, i believe chinese will not be less ethical than people in western country, poverty drive ppl to be evil.

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