The New World Order (Novus Ordo Seclorum)

last SG · 2008-09-18T23:01:13+00:00

Like what?That there is a conspiracy dedicated to ushering in a one-world government for which I've substantiated. And please don't use "NWO/Illuminati" beca...

Poh Ah Pak SG

Since 1954, a secret cabal of 125 of the world's most powerful business and political elites have met annually in what is known as the Bilderberg Group.

according to you Bilderberg Group is "NWO"?

Is that correct?

freedomclub SG

No, the NWO does not refer to any single group or organisation. It is an idea, a belief that the the world should be governed by a single authority. The Bilderberg Group is merely one (I cannot emphasis this enough) of the manifestations of this idea.

Poh Ah Pak SG

New World Order is an idea, not a group?

So what is exactly the idea?

One World Government?

freedomclub SG

Yes, didn't you read my earlier post?

Poh Ah Pak SG

Are below political lobby groups part of NWO?

They are pushing for one world government:

http://www.wfm.org/site/index.php

http://www.integralworldgovernment.org

http://www.world-democracy.org

http://www.tgde.org

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/COURSE

http://www.thenewpress.com/index.php?

http://www.worldfederalistscanada.org

Poh Ah Pak SG

You've admitted that there are organisations dedicated to creating a World Government and rightly so, except that you do not accept that this movement is being carried out through stealth by the US Government, the corporatocracy etc.

There are lots of political groups pushing for one world government, and there is nothing secret about it.

They are quite open and public about their activities.

Why push for world government must be secret?

I don't understand.

freedomclub SG

Yes, insofar as they promote world government, you could said that they are "part of the NWO". The concept of a NWO isn't a scary conspiracy, if that's what you're trying to imply. In fact, its becoming increasingly commonplace among academic discussion. I myself would support global governance, if the powers that be truly have humanity's interests at heart; putting human concerns above profits for instance. But as things stand at this moment, the only thing driving the NWO agenda is power. However, the tragic part is that some people discussing global governance, and most who have not heard about it, have no idea that this plan is being built on the bones of millions who have perished in engineered conflict.

Poh Ah Pak SG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDQAgPjv94M

Poh Ah Pak SG

But as things stand at this moment, the only thing driving the NWO agenda is power. However, the tragic part is that some people discussing global governance, and most who have not heard about it, have no idea that this plan is being built on the bones of millions who have perished in engineered conflict.

No.

That is not the case.

The case is that there is no conspiracy for one world government.

No NWO group, no Illuminati, no stupid hidden agenda to turn world into one world government.

There are already a lot of public groups calling for one world government, no need for any secret group.

It's all horseshit.

Bullshit by conspiracy nuts.

That is the fucking truth.

Come mon lah, this group so secret until the entire fucking internet, the entire fucking youtube have information about them?

The entire web is flooded with NWO/Illuminati crap.

What sort of bullshit hidden agenda?

Any ass also will find out about them using google lah, what the hell.

Poh Ah Pak SG

Illuminati/NWO

Results 1 - 10 of about 221,000 for illuminati/NWO.

http://www.google.com.sg/search?q=illuminati%2F

Poh Ah Pak SG

If you go and follow this illuminati/NWO logic and their line of reasoning, you will find all sorts of nonsensical rubbish logic.

They simply take some quotes here, some quotes there, mess everything up and then connect with some shit that they want.

Any asshole can come up with a conspiracy theory like that lah.

Someone mention New World Order in speech then suka suka link to some hidden agenda, secret group.

What sort of bullshit is that?

Nothing but junk.

You think so many people so clever, so smart, discover hidden agenda, secret group.

Wait long long lah.

Conspiracy nut is the truth.

Like aliens abduction lah, bigfoot lah, sea monster, witchcraft lah, satanic rituals lah now transformed to illuminati/NWO.

You think real?

It's ALL BULLSHIT.

freedomclub SG

And what is the point of that Youtube link? To demonstrate that a world government will be a just world?

Firstly, the NWO elites, as I like to call the powers that be, are political-corporate powers. In the US, corporate and political power are intertwined in a system of legalised bribery known as lobbying. Given that, at this moment, the Congolese crisis being publicised in the media is the work of corporate greed, funding Rwandan and Ugandan proxies to rape the Congo mineral wealth, do you think their rhetoric of justice makes sense?

U.S./U.K. Allies Grab Congo Riches and Millions Die- http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10815

If anything, it'll be a world where their interests are put above the interests of the common man. While ExxonMobil earned $14.8 billion in the 3Q of 2008, 35,000 children die every 24 hours due to hunger. After 4 decades, or so, of globalisation, favouring corporate interests, Man is worse off while a small group of corporate-political elites reap the benefits.

Secondly, its impossible to say that a world government would be benevolent when societies round the world are becoming surveillance societies, including Singapore. What with the NSA's and FBI's spying record, the Echelon program and similar trends round the world, it doesn't take much to conclude that a world government would herald a new age of tyranny.

Anyway, you haven't responded to the historical distortions I addressed and clarified about 20th Century history. You frequent GlobalResearch and the works of William Engdahl, surely you must be familiar with the lying that goes on in the mainstream. In the end, I have one question for you: What is it about a one world government conspiracy that you disagree with? I would really appreciate it if you could address that and my earlier question.

Poh Ah Pak SG

In the US, corporate and political power are intertwined in a system of legalised bribery known as lobbying.

Yes, that is true.

But why throw in NWO?

USA political system under corporate and financial influence is common knowledge wah.

So we can conclude the presidency and ultimately the government are controlled by corporate elitists?

Yes both the presidency and ultimately the government are controlled by corporate elitists. Wealthy individuals and corporations have full control of the US media and press and US elected representatives in public office who set policy. They are the ones who finance the massively expensive campaigns of candidates running for office.

http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/

Poh Ah Pak SG

Given that, at this moment, the Congolese crisis being publicised in the media is the work of corporate greed, funding Rwandan and Ugandan proxies to rape the Congo mineral wealth, do you think their rhetoric of justice makes sense? U.S./U.K. Allies Grab Congo Riches and Millions Die- http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10815 If anything, it'll be a world where their interests are put above the interests of the common man. While ExxonMobil earned $14.8 billion in the 3Q of 2008, 35,000 children die every 24 hours due to hunger. After 4 decades, or so, of globalisation, favouring corporate interests, Man is worse off while a small group of corporate-political elites reap the benefits.

What's above got to do with NWO?

There is no NWO.

Just plain old fashion corporate capitalist greed.

And since you mentioned Congo, here is War Nerd latest:

War Nerd: Congo Warrior Nkunda Is Nkool

http://exiledonline.com/nkunda

Poh Ah Pak SG

What with the NSA's and FBI's spying record, the Echelon program and similar trends round the world, it doesn't take much to conclude that a world government would herald a new age of tyranny.

That is another issue already.

Privacy and civil liberty issues.

Don't throw in NWO and mess everything up.

Confuse everything.

Poh Ah Pak SG

You frequent GlobalResearch and the works of William Engdahl, surely you must be familiar with the lying that goes on in the mainstream.

Global reserach , William Engdahl where got talk about Illuminati/NWO?

They didn't.

They are serious folks not conspiracy cranks.

Our state media designed to depoliticise, so how you tell me?

Pro-USA some more.

You expect them to go and criticise USA?

Talk about USA crimes, corporate greed?

freedomclub SG

Because as I've pointed out in my first post, the corporate-political elites in government have been steering the world towards world government, being guided along by organisations like the CFR and the Bilderberg Group. As the US is still the dominant political and military power in the world, any attempts to create a world government would inevitably stem from that once-great Republic, though it does not necessarily mean that the US would head it, given that the US is being systematically destroyed by corporate interests. The present head of the Rockefeller dynasty, David Rockefeller said this in 1991 at the Trilateral Commission, another globalist organisation:

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government.The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents... to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." -- David Rockefeller, as quoted in his "Memoirs", page 405

Am I attributing the NWO conspiracy to solely David Rockefeller? No. But is he a significant figure in this conspiracy? Yes.

Have you looked at the evidence I've offered? It seems you've not, and just ignored it (my first post). Are you one of those people who never considers the possibility that they're wrong and thus, stubbornly ignores the viewpoints of others. If so, this is a waste of my time since you're never willing to even look and respond to my evidence and just continuing to question me on my opinion just because it contradicts yours.

Poh Ah Pak SG

I have one question for you: What is it about a one world government conspiracy that you disagree with? I would really appreciate it if you could address that and my earlier question.

There are many political groups openly and publicly pushing for world government since 1920.

There is no evidence that there is secret group pushing for world government.

Poh Ah Pak SG

Have you looked at the evidence I've offered?

Okay, you go and list down all the evidence.

Poh Ah Pak SG

Bilderberg strikes again

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/front

William Engdahl on Bilderberg:

The Bilderberg annual meetings first began, in utmost secrecy, in May, 1954, by an Anglophile group which included George Ball, David Rockefeller, Dr. Joseph Retinger, Holland's Prince Bernhard, George C. McGhee (then of the US State Department and later a senior executive of Mobil Oil). Named for the place of their first gathering, the hotel de Bilderberg near Arnheim, the annual Bilderberg meetings gathered top elites from Europe and America for secret deliberations and policy discussion.

Consensus was then "shaped" in subsequent press comments and media coverage, but never with reference to the secret Bilderberg talks themselves. This Bilderberg process became one of the most effective vehicles of postwar Anglo-American policy-shaping...

http://earth.prohosting.com/~jswift/engdahl.html

Leaked 1999 Bilderberg minutes:

http://www.schnews.org.uk/bilderberg/

Bilderberg as a discussion and policy coordinating group among american-european elites is probably true, but link it with some larger NWO, one world government agenda is probably exaggerating.

But of course, conspiracy people will 100% connect them with that.

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