Social Welfare Health costs

fymk SG

I remember that book by George Orwell. Great book.

"Two legs, bad. Four legs, good" the sheep bleets.

And when the pigs gained power, they stood on 2 legs, it became

"Four legs good, two legs better!"

Everyone best do well to remember this important political satire, if they want rabid opposition political pigs who know nuts to manage our country and run the economy.

I don't like CSJ for a reason but he is still a human being.

I don't like CSJ because I do not agree with how he does things.

However , I like and respect the Worker's Party members like Sylvia Lim who are fairly reasonable and cautious in politics.

Not every opposition is rabid and neither are they pigs. They are working for the betterment of the country which is a thankless and highly risky venture in my view. It is a thankless task. They deserve some respect because it is better to have opposition questioning than to have leaders resting on their laurels turning complacent.

00011000 SG

"They (opp) deserve some respect because it is better to have opposition questioning than to have leaders resting on their laurels turning complacent."

100% agree on this...

jojobeach SG

We need to pay ministers high salaries to remain competitive.

We need to pay workers low salaries to remain competitive.

Yeah.

Aiyooo.. so buay pah seh hor ?

"The government said it has been losing some of its best talent to private-sector employers over the past few years, as well as to poaching by governments as far away as China and Qatar.

Though the city-state is noted for paying its officials well, the government lost 10.6% of its lawyers, accountants and management executives to the private sector in 2006, up from 7.4% in 2005."

Singaporeans Fume Over Ministers' Pay Hike

Actually.. hor ..I think it's really becaws they don't want to work for LHL lah.

He become PM in 2004 , yes ?

fymk SG

Aiyooo.. so buay pah seh hor ?

"The government said it has been losing some of its best talent to private-sector employers over the past few years, as well as to poaching by governments as far away as China and Qatar.

Though the city-state is noted for paying its officials well, the government lost 10.6% of its lawyers, accountants and management executives to the private sector in 2006, up from 7.4% in 2005."

Singaporeans Fume Over Ministers' Pay Hike

Actually.. hor ..I think it's really becaws they don't want to work for LHL lah.

He become PM in 2004 , yes ?

How many percent do the lawyers , accountants and management executives form out of the entire population?

Did they include government owned privatised companies into the private sector list?

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Originally posted by noisylion:

wah!!SG no money lah,no money to pay educations lah,even UNSW renounce

SG studentsships worry. not a joke.lionnoisy is the joker.

where to study now?

before u go to SG, education seem not a good choice in the near future:

UNSW - another one bites the dust…

Once again… i read with horror the news that UNSW campus in Singapore is going to close down.. !! Shocking !!

i mean,.. we’ve all heard of pte schools closing down, some fly by nite… foreign students getting left in the lurch…etc…we’re not too surprised. in the first place, these fly by nite pte schools are not endorsed officially by MOE, and they are pretty much a pte commerical enterprise…..

BUT the UNSW closing down ????And in Singapore some more? And it was EDB which had a part in the initial set up of UNSW in Singapore!!

… Now this IS surprising.

UNSW should have done due diligence before deciding to set up campus here… but can’t blame them… they need to make money, and it’s a commercial decision. But the EDB should have done its own due diligence to ensure continuity once UNSW opens here. The EDB represents Singapore’s interests… but what did they do?….

UNSW shut down after only 2 years is terribly damaging for Singapore’s reputation as an education hub.

i feel that there’s just too many about-turns in the education scene in Singapore.. Just TOO MANY !!! And it’s continuing…..

"sure-fail exams cause mental distress in siggie students:

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

I remember that book by George Orwell. Great book.

"Two legs, bad. Four legs, good" the sheep bleets.

And when the pigs gained power, they stood on 2 legs, it became

"Four legs good, two legs better!"

Everyone best do well to remember this important political satire, if they want rabid opposition political pigs who know nuts to manage our country and run the economy.

How come you try to quote animal farm but fail to draw up the analogies that are blatantly obvious between the story and what's happening now?

DeerHunter SG

How come you try to quote animal farm but fail to draw up the analogies that are blatantly obvious between the story and what's happening now?

The only blatantly obvious analogy from the book i see here is a group of imbecile gansters bleeting like sheeps of " PAP bad, SDP or Opposition groups better!"

So do well to remember what will happen when pigs whom knows nuts about our economy or managing the country gets to rule.

fymk SG

The only blatantly obvious analogy from the book i see here is a group of imbecile gansters bleeting like sheeps of " PAP bad, SDP or Opposition groups better!"

So do well to remember what will happen when pigs whom knows nuts about our economy or managing the country gets to rule.

Look at other developed countries, their political climate change once in a while and still they are surviving . Don't look down on your fellow Singaporeans who present a different view of how the country can be better ran as pigs who know nuts.

Do you think the ministers really know how to run everything ? They depend on the civil service and consultants to carry out and advise them on their policies. When LKY first started, he had to invite military advisers from Israel to set up Singapore's defence , a dutch economist to draw up plans for Singapore's economic future and train his new party how to run a country.

Stagnancy breeds complacency . Just like how stagnant water breeds a crapload of dengue carrying mosquitoes. So you really don't want a whole parliament with members of the same party all the time. You want someone to challenge their policies and present another opinion.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

The only blatantly obvious analogy from the book i see here is a group of imbecile gansters bleeting like sheeps of " PAP bad, SDP or Opposition groups better!"

So do well to remember what will happen when pigs whom knows nuts about our economy or managing the country gets to rule.

Please do try to come up with a better argument, our own government would contradict you right off the bat.

Even our own government admits, it is the people HERE on the internet that they are trying to engage that really matter in the political long run, not the politically apathetic bunch that are happy to let things be without question. The fact that they need to say there is a need for a "counter-insurgency" speaks volumes about their realization that the people on the web are hardly sheeps, but a very real and rising generation that are less willing to leave their country unquestioningly into the hands of big brother and who will question things.

It seems that you are sore not because the people here are sheeps, but because you are unable to win... oh well.

Here's a tip, try logic, it works.

DeerHunter SG

Please do try to come up with a better argument, our own government would contradict you right off the bat.

It seems that you are sore not because the people here are sheeps, but because you are unable to win... oh well.

Here's a tip, try logic, it works.

You are not seeking better agument. You only want others to agree to your deluded arguments. Any dissension by others, you insult them. Thus, no point i rationalize with you. I am not a faith-healer. I can't heal the blind.

win? win what? is there even a prize? And you dare advise trying logic? Seems you better use it on yourself first if you think yourself so highly as to be a position to give 'tips'.

eagle SG

Please do try to come up with a better argument, our own government would contradict you right off the bat.

It seems that you are sore not because the people here are sheeps, but because you are unable to win... oh well.

Here's a tip, try logic, it works.

It's like that... Lunatics always think that everyone around them is the crazy one; to them, they are the normal ones.

We see the same thing happening now; everyone thinks that this particular forumer is talking rubbish, yet he thinks that it is everyone else who talks rubbish.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Well you can bring a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

He can call people here on the internet sheep for all he wants, but the fact remains that our government simply does not see it this way nor would they agree with him one bit.

In fact they shown it again and again that the views raised here are something they take seriously and want to engage such stuff proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that more or less an increasing amount of people are not willing to simply toe the line.

There are crackpots in every movement, to accuse each and every person here who disagrees with him as a deluded sheep is as silly to some saying agreeing with even a bit of the PAP's policies mean we are sheep. Everybody has thier own stand and position and unfortuntately it seems that the number that is starting to see things aside from the party line and have good reasons for doing so.

As we can see, calling people here sheep is more of DeerHunter's way of making himself feel good then actually having any sort of effect, nor making any difference in here, as well as allowing him to avoid answering the glaring holes punched into his poorly-constructed arguments by fmyk, adobe and what have you not. In which case we can just say "+1" to him.

I don't think he's a lunatic eagle, just more of a coward.

£Ϊ€ڰ SG

Well you can bring a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

He can call people here on the internet sheep for all he wants, but the fact remains that our government simply does not see it this way nor would they agree with him one bit.

I don't think he's a lunatic eagle, just more of a coward.

AFAIK, your contribution to this forum has always about talking lion cock, and after 3 pages, you have not contributed a single facts about the subject, but instead get yourself busy with flame war and name calling.

FYI, the subject for this thread is "Social Welfare Health costs", and we would really like to read what you have to say about the subject not the TS.

cheers

Bentsb05 SG

Affordable, Universal Health Care -- The Singapore Model

will americans consider the singappore model???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-xIxFvWR5o

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

FYI, the subject for this thread is "Social Welfare Health costs", and we would really like to read what you have to say about the subject not the TS.

cheers

Yawn, lionnoisy deserves what he gets. When you play with the bull, sometimes you get the horn. At the very least lionnoisy ought to be able to hold his own when people start to play the game he is playing, but apparently he is incapable of that.

What more is there to add to the subject when you have a deerhunter getting pummeled badly? More nails into the coffin? More replies from recently created counter-insurgency accounts?

jojobeach SG

Affordable, Universal Health Care -- The Singapore Model

will americans consider the singappore model???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-xIxFvWR5o

Don't be silly lah.

The people in USA under adequate insurance coverage are not afraid to go to the doctors, and they will not hesitate to go for frequent checkup. They won't be dead broke after a serious illness.

Unlike Singaporeans, who have to pay from their pocket. Yes, ours is called consumer driven health care. If you can afford, you go see doctor.. if not.. you try to fix it with some chinese medicine.

FYI. USA is not a universal health care system.

It is just a system controlled by the Health Care insurance industry. And it is the organization that sucks, not the health care professionals.

But if you can afford to go with better HC insurance company.. your life is really well taken care of. Every visit is a breeze and you pay a very low deductables. Best part is you have no worries about the cost of your visit even if it shows thousands on your invoice, because this invoice goes to the insurance company. Ofcors, this option is not cheap.

So if you cannot afford HC insurance, you're still screwed.

DeerHunter SG

What more is there to add to the subject when you have a deerhunter getting pummeled badly?

"pummeled badly"? You pathetic blind fool

£Ĭ€ڰ SG

Don't be silly lah.

The people in USA under adequate insurance coverage are not afraid to go to the doctors, and they will not hesitate to go for frequent checkup. They won't be dead broke after a serious illness.

Unlike Singaporeans, who have to pay from their pocket. Yes, ours is called consumer driven health care. If you can afford, you go see doctor.. if not.. you try to fix it with some chinese medicine.

FYI. USA is not a universal health care system.

It is just a system controlled by the Health Care insurance industry. And it is the organization that sucks, not the health care professionals.

So if you cannot afford HC insurance, you're still screwed.

This article says it all. I am surprise that our fellow Singaporeans can think otherwise..

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/opinion/12sun1.html

jojobeach SG

This article says it all. I am surprise that our fellow Singaporeans can think otherwise..

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/opinion/12sun1.html

This article where got says it all ?

Part truth part rubbish lah.

I living in USA, I dunno meh ? Please lah.

My SIL had 3 child birth , their out of pocket cost is only $300. The rest is covered by insurance.

Their 4 children goes to pediatrician and only pay $15 per visit co-pay.

For the medicines , their deductable is up to $50 , after that.. no need to pay anything for prescribtion for the rest of the year.

Those 45 millions that goes to emergency rooms and make it conjested is because they got no insurance. Most of them are illegal immigrant.

This also flash point in the immigration issue.. people who pay into the system are bearing the burden of people who did not pay into the system.

Sadly, those who goes to ER for minor problems are usually the ones who also don pay their bills one. Because NO MONEY, and since ER the doctors are required by law not to reject ANY patient, it adds unnecessary burden and create long wait time for patients who really do need ER help.

In the USA, if you got no insurance.. doctors also scared to see you.. because they worry you cannot pay.

Univeral health care means everyone is covered under insurance poor or rich. But it will also means.. somebardy have to pay for the 100% coverage = pay higher taxes lor.

In USA.. you got marnee.. you live well..you go see the best doctors of your choice, no marnee you go ER lor, or if you can afford the most cheapest Insurance package.. you get to see a doctor but you cannot choose your doctor.. you can only go to the clinics that is part of that network..

That is why I say.. it's the billing system that is cock up.. not the health care professional that is cock up.

The doctors here are good, and the equipment are good. So there is really no difference when it comes to professional standards of medical professional in SG vs USA.

maurizio13 SG