More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at

last SG · 2008-06-18T23:34:27+00:00

Might as well organise a protest by parking 100 cars in front of parliament house 30 mins before the start of parliament.Not illegal gathering, just illegal...

whiskers SG

*wears anti-flame suit......>.<

balance_else_complacent SG

well... In Singapore, if you own a car, you are either

1. damn rich----- Well then the increase is good news to u, less ppl on road.
2. really need it ---- well.. nth u can do.. have to pass the cost to customers if possible.
3. a show off. ---- HAhahaha.... Too bad.

Personally, I think this is a good move by the gahmen, If you want to own a car can... but you pay as you go, no money, can... keep the car in garage lor, every day polish it.... Cos u dun really need one in singapore... This to me, is a better way to increase tax revenue than GST which is broad spectrum.

Its unfair to public transport(ie. taxis), you want ppl to take public transport mah... how can u also increase their prices?

Public roads should be for the public .

I agree that to the stinky rich, even if ERP per entry costs $20 would mean nothing to them but would be unimaginable to the majority. I guess a stinky rich man would be more happy when less can compete with them , in this case, road usage.

Other aspects of life:

1. Justice for all : Legal service. If you are not stinky rich, could you sue a stinky rich bad man when you could not afford the legal services required ?

2. Medical service for all : if you are not stinky rich, could you afford the medical service you need?

Is this world meant for the rich?

Animal farm.

What do you think about my proposed solution to cut cost for ROAD TAX PAYERS with less road usage :

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/321677

reyes SG

well... In Singapore, if you own a car, you are either

Its unfair to public transport(ie. taxis), you want ppl to take public transport mah... how can u also increase their prices?

does motocycle has to paid ERP? it seem this is nor related to the car only. truck? vans? pick up? why penalise the company transportation vehicle when it is necessary for them to use the road for business. to me it is just lame excuses for govt to increase their tax coffers.

eagle SG

1) fixed the direct problem - just too many cars on the road !!! Every tom and harry can go show room and drive of with a car.

2) change the SBS & SMRT & TIB concept !!! We need more efficient and cheaper services - not fancy things like air-cond bus terminal, and stupid extra - that does little to transport people but cost more.

3) Take a page from Shanghai. They have problem of traffic, and without land to expand on roads. So they go for what they call sky highway system. They just build a road or highway on top of existing road or highway, it may cost more, but fastest and earier way then to dig underground.

My suggestion before:
Multi-level highways.

Seems like it's not a new concept at all; technology can already overtake this.

Congested sections on expressways like the CTE can do very well to implement this. Afterall, not all parts of the expressways experience jams.

But in the CBD, I would agree that space is indeed limited... Perhaps they should have parking spaces further away and regular shuttle buses in and out of the CBD to ferry people to and fro the carparks.

eagle SG

end nov. and thanks for the link.

i called the bank this morning to check on my car's outstanding loan as this will be the first things i am offloading now. the irony of it is the net cash back that i will be getting back from the sales proceed can pay for the same car in australia that i am driving now. i don't feel that bad already....

erp gantries, up yours!

Another person to emigrate :(

balance_else_complacent SG

The cost of living is already risen to high level.

Many services transportation cost would be passed to consumers. Taxi is public transport. People are encouraged to take public transport. But the ERP hike would pass the cost to consumers. Businesses transport their goods & foods from place to place. They are also affecting passing the cost to their business partners and consumers.

Would the recently announced ERP hike , compounded with oil price hikes incur to the people a higher cost of living?

And 'coincidentally' in the same news on ERP hike, it was announced that new bus services would be introduced and sounds like not cheap.

What is going on?

How much is being collected from ERP and road and car related expenses?

zaxis SG

when implem, tell people to start work hour flexi, now after start flexi, evening still has erp, saturday also erp.

erp= every road pay

built multi layer highway, closed them during peak hour, likewhat happen during recent encounter at shanghai

it was told due to some traffic problem below certain section of the multi layer highway, miss one importance EXIT, you need to go round the stupid outer ring road 1, juntion past outer ringroad 2, juntion pass outer ring road 3, before can get off to ground level of the desination i want to go.

maurizio13 SG

My suggestion before:
Multi-level highways.

Seems like it's not a new concept at all; technology can already overtake this.

Congested sections on expressways like the CTE can do very well to implement this. Afterall, not all parts of the expressways experience jams.

Actually a simple way to solve all this would be to implement flexible 24 hours workday. The issue right now is everybody knocks off at around the same time, resulting in crowding in MRTs, Buses and Roads.

Like the recent changes to the Taxi charges, I find it ridiculous, most of the time during peak hours, you find the Taxi drivers waiting in queues, not doing any productive work, yet they are paid more for doing nothing. They actually get paid more for doing less or no work. Something grave errors in their policy implementation.

eagle SG

when implem, tell people to start work hour flexi, now after start flexi, evening still has erp, saturday also erp.

erp= every road pay

built multi layer highway, closed them during peak hour, likewhat happen during recent encounter at shanghai

Singapore is very good at this one => build flyovers along CTE over the commonly congested exits like AMK ave 3 & 5, so that those going further north do not need to join in those exiting at these areas.

However, one thing I do support at the moment is the construction of KPE to attempt to ease some traffic off CTE; parallel expressways solution.

Afterall, LTA do have the survey results of cars entering and exiting these exits along CTE.

charlize SG

ERPs at the entrance of all carparks.

Let's tax all the cars.

citymax SG

the best is to increase to 5 dollar per gantry, and the whole stretch of ecp and pie will have at least 5 gantries.

1 car - 25 dollars per day

10 cars - 250 dollars

100 cars - 2500 dollars

lol..we are the richest country inturn of transport!!

freedom4ever SG

they should also set up a gantry at the woodlands check point too. there always traffic jam at the custom especially during the weekend.

balance_else_complacent SG

they should also set up a gantry at the woodlands check point too. there always traffic jam at the custom especially during the weekend.

I think you have brought out the most overlooked aspect for ERP.

I kudos you.

I salute you.

If implemented, the woodland check point would be congestion free.

this is achieved by having a cheap ERP fee of $20 SGD per entry.

Like this, no need to go JB buy petrol liao. All fuel revenue goes to singapore.

afterall, JB vehicles come here enjoy should pay and pay for the enjoyment also what . Some more some vehicles give out very toxic black smoke wans. Like entertainment industry. They song song enjoy liao, must pay also.

Why no ERP at checkpoint ha? Diplomatico ar?

they introduce traffic to singapore too right? its congested right? severely congested right? and then leh ? what happen? Opposition? where are you when needed? june holiday over soon leh.

freedom4ever SG

I think you have brought out the most overlooked aspect for ERP.

I kudos you.

I salute you.

If implemented, the woodland check point would be congestion free.

this is achieved by having a cheap ERP fee of $20 SGD per entry.

Like this, no need to go JB buy petrol liao. All fuel revenue goes to singapore.

Why no ERP at checkpoint ha? Diplomatico ar?

they introduce traffic to singapore too right? its congested right? severely congested right? and then leh ? what happen? Opposition? where are you when needed? june holiday over soon leh.

is there a place for me to give my suggestion to them?

i really hope there is an ERP at woodlands checkpoint. then next time i see where got jam i can go suggest to them also.

Midlusionz SG

is there a place for me to give my suggestion to them?

i really hope there is an ERP at woodlands checkpoint. then next time i see where got jam i can go suggest to them also.

How bout the malaysian who travel to and fro to work in SG? Isn't that very unfair?

freedom4ever SG

How bout the malaysian who travel to and fro to work in SG? Isn't that very unfair?

but our minister said that it is to improve the traffic flow.

what about residents at Toa Payoh, isn't that very unfair too?

nehpyh SG

Someone intending to set up a Fight Club???

deathmaster SG

the gahmen is trying to herd us around like sheeps.

balance_else_complacent SG

How bout the malaysian who travel to and fro to work in SG? Isn't that very unfair?

no problem wans. Like those working in CBD area , its reported that their employers pay for their parking and maybe ERPs.

So, I think we should simply pass the cost to the employers who earns much more than they pay the employees. a few hundred or tens of dollars more a month paid to employees is really nothing if not zilch.

So, in my humble opine, its totally fair because, in this world, no one should owe anyone a living. If you are paid, better work for it. Else, you should be replaced. Even if you contributed for the last 40 odd years, no one owes you any shiit. You have been paid and like anyone else, in a democracy, you are expected to deliver and be accountable. You do not own the country.

If this guy buay song, no one will stop him from giving up his position for the next better player.

'this guy' and 'you' means people in general. no to offend anyone here. cheers!

Midlusionz SG

but our minister said that it is to improve the traffic flow.

what about residents at Toa Payoh, isn't that very unfair too?

I dun believe in "Our minister say this say that" thingy .. Do u know how many m'sian travel to and fro? As for the resident at TPY .. There's why they are complaining about it.

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