pay S$20.00 in order to do local volunteer work @ Redhill

last SG · 2008-04-22T10:31:15+00:00

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zaxis SG

why churches did not fund other volunteer for their trip?

what ever reason or explaination? what kind of service learning can be practice in local community?

using local fund raised or donation money for oversea trip! very hard to justify spending.

may be that why church wants you to raise your own fund.

$6.00 for blah blah plus admin? what is admin charge? volunteer your service got admin charge? this is not profit making? what is admin charge ?

Uncle Ver SG SG

Zaxis you can always highlight these issues in your blog or website if you really feel strongly about it.

zaxis SG

any way event over

may be eagle can After Action Review? what the turn out yesterday? how many unit with bed bud require bed change and fumgation? out of 50 volunteer how many unit covered?

eagle SG

Zaxis you can always highlight these issues in your blog or website if you really feel strongly about it.

Yeah, I do want to see him write all those he has written in his blog or website, and publish it.

Zaxis, you think that project management cost means no need to pay for all the electricity, papers, petrol, delivery men (they are not volunteers), phone bills, etc, many many other costs. Even hosting the website, and sending out emails, put costs on the bandwidth. Pretty sure all these costs will exceed $300. You are a little too narrowly focussed that project management cost means paying directly to the organisers, thus think only of profit making. Next thing we know, you will say HFH should host their website on free web hosting services, and utilise free web-based emails too. But this part I understand your viewpoint and concern, especially after the NKF saga.

Then again, the question back to you is, why are you hesitating to email them to ask about it? Still waiting for others to do work for you?

Everything you say so far is only may be this may be that. Then finally with all the may bes and assumptions, you think you have every right to levy a charge on them for profit making.

eagle SG

any way event over

may be eagle can After Action Review? what the turn out yesterday? how many unit with bed bud require bed change and fumgation? out of 50 volunteer how many unit covered?

Why don't you email them to ask?

Anyway, this is taken from a blog.

There has been so much debate about Habitat For Humanity Singapore charging each Operation Homeworks participants $20 to cover the cost of the event. Hmm… don’t be so calculative la… as long as the way the money is spent is accounted for, let’s not be so calculative.

I am so tired after attending Habitat for Humanity Singapore’s Operation Homework today. The HFH staff had rated the extent of cleaning that each of the house needs on a scale of 1 to 10. 1 being the least cleaning required and 10 for complete cleaning. Our team was assigned to an unit rated 10! Haha….

When we first stepped into the unit, we thought it really doesn’t deserve a grade 10 until I saw this.

The white stuff on the blanket is maggots! And there are more of that, some hardened stains (which we suspect is faeces) and waste at the bottom of the cupboard when we removed all the drawers.

Oh no!!!!!!!

Now we know why it’s given a grade 10! Yes, Cant Bee and I were jumping up and down when we saw the mess. We just had to grit our teeth, bear with the stench to remove the waste and scrub the floor. Luckily we had Magic Kleen.

ok… shall not talk about it anymore as I am still trying hard to erase the images and stench from my mind.

cyberr1981 SG

it is funny you should mentioned it. i recently donated a sum of money to the kwan-in welfare society(kwc). i think they are one of the more obscure charitable organizations around. they had sent unsolicited mail to my mailbox. when they acknowledged my donation, they sent me a receipt with a small note that says "a benevolent family will be blessed". i have to admit that i `feel good' receiving that note altho' i am not expecting anything. a form of emotional blackmail?

Then, if you informed them that you're not going to donate anymore, I wonder what "good" blessings they may send you!

So, did you strike toto grp 1 or 2 since you started donating??

cyberr1981 SG

Your examples are different from TS who stated that HFH is

Making accusations without proof and proper deductions is tantamount to slandering, and will likely indirectly affect help for these old folks.

And you are doing exactly what TS is doing now. Comparisons with unrelated things.

Example:
Comparing the installation of gold taps (inappropriate behaviour) vs the $20 required for shirt, food and accessories (inefficiency), then concluding HFH is profit making just like NKF

If you bother to open your eyes and read, I was only asking questions and exploring possibilities. Your accusations of me are groundless.

Ok, people are still free to make choices. Both positive and negative points are presented.

Those still want to donate + volunteer, please feel free to do it!! Up to you, no obligations....... Later, just don't regret it and be like those donors who went to NKF to chase back their money donated.

Uncle Ver SG SG

Credit to go to heaven/nirvana/paradise lah

cyberr1981 SG

sum ppl's blains r beri tiny.

u tell dem wt oso no use de.

becoz canot fit anyting in it le.

The quoted is a personal attack. Forumers, ignore it.

eagle SG

If you bother to open your eyes and read, I was only asking questions and exploring possibilities. Your accusations of me are groundless.

Ok, people are still free to make choices. Both positive and negative points are presented.

Perhaps I didn't phrase it properly. I'm referring to TS making false accusations, not you.

Whether there's any unaccounted money involved anywhere, we won't know. At least for the $20 paid here, it is accounted for.

cyberr1981 SG

Credit to go to heaven/nirvana/paradise lah

Let's not make any references to religion/supernatural.

We should deal with the topic objectively.

cyberr1981 SG

Perhaps I didn't phrase it properly. I'm referring to TS making false accusations, not you.

Whether there's any unaccounted money involved anywhere, we won't know. At least for the $20 paid here, it is accounted for.

Ok, the payment of $20 is accounted for. But are those points accounted for necessary?

1) specially-printed T-shirts is a luxury, not of necessity!

2) lunch really cost so much? Which is the actual food?

3) Donations is a steady flow, this portion is not of necessity too.

eagle SG

Ok, the payment of $20 is accounted for. But are those points accounted for necessary?

1) specially-printed T-shirts is a luxury, not of necessity!

2) lunch really cost so much? Which is the actual food?

3) Donations is a steady flow, this portion is not of necessity too.

What I would say is

1) Specially printed low quality T-shirts cost around $10 each. Easy identification by the old folks that this is not a "stranger" that is going to harm them or what...
2) lunch say $2.50~$3, plus few bottles of water for each participant; they will sweat a lot a lot just in cleaning up.
3) no comments, but such events are not forced upon you.

I agree with you, the fees could be reduced. They could be unnecessary. But fact is that charging the organisation for profit making just because of these "inefficient planning" is totally illogical.

cyberr1981 SG

What I would say is

I agree with you, the fees could be reduced. They could be unnecessary. But fact is that charging the organisation for profit making just because of these "inefficient planning" is totally illogical.

The fees are redundant and the accounting for them are not convincing.

Since you mentioned that the event was inefficiently planned, then they should revised it and not let volunteers pay redundantly for things which were already covered under donations.

Why let volunteers be the receiving end of an inefficiently planned event?

eagle SG

The fees are redundant and the accounting for them are not convincing.

Since you mentioned that the event was inefficiently planned, then they should revised it and not let volunteers pay redundantly for things which were already covered under donations.

Why let volunteers be the receiving end of an inefficiently planned event?

I mentioned "inefficiently planned" in inverted commas because I see it from both in yours and TS's shoes.

To me, it is not really that inefficiently planned. You might as well tell me that them hosting up their website for a fee, or having rented an office space, are redundant expenditures, because they could host free websites or simply operate from home. You might even say fumigation is unnecessary because they can simply find and sweep/pick away the bed bugs.

And to me, the volunteers are not considered as the receiving end; they are on the giving side. Contrary to that, it is the old folks who are at the receiving end. Finally, it is not like you are forced to both give and do. One would have to be willing to both give the donation and do the charity work.

cyberr1981 SG

I mentioned "inefficiently planned" in inverted commas because I see it from both in yours and TS's shoes.

I never said it was inefficiently planned. Stop putting words into mouth.

My opinion was that the current payment can be further revised and improved. Seems like you're ever-ready to accuse people who disagree with you.

Since donations are in place, they can also further consider hiring and paying workers at market rate of $5 per hour, instead of expecting free labour.

It should not even be volunteer work at all if the org can afford to hire and pay director/CEO.

eagle SG

I never said it was inefficiently planned. Stop putting words into mouth.

My opinion was that the current payment can be further revised and improved. Seems like you're ever-ready to accuse people who disagree with you.

Since donations are in place, they can also further consider hiring and paying workers at market rate of $5 per hour, instead of expecting free labour.

It should not even be volunteer work at all if the org can afford to hire and pay director/CEO.

I didn't say you said it. I said I see it in your shoes. Perhaps you could suggest a better phrase for me to use then... Redundant expenditures?

2nd paragraph => now you are putting words into my mouth. I have already told you I agreed with your opinions on the fees that they could be reduced or were unnecessary. Need me to remind you on which sentence a not? And I haven't accuse you of posting anything illogical, simply because you didn't. Btw, you have now made an accusation. Because I disagree with you? Which I didn't

Your idea of hiring workers will incur even greater costs. Who pay?

I have no comments about the last paragraph. But all I can say is all (I dunno any which didn't) such large organisations pay their directors.

cyberr1981 SG

I have no comments about the last paragraph. But all I can say is all (I dunno any which didn't) such large organisations pay their directors.

Why should directors be paid and not the workers who do the actual work?

eagle SG

Why should directors be paid and not the workers who do the actual work?

Beats me. This point I support you. Not going to defend them on this point.

Maybe they could try making such directors as part-time volunteers, then rotate among a few head organisers. Then it wouldn't be a full time job for them.

redDUST SG

Then, if you informed them that you're not going to donate anymore, I wonder what "good" blessings they may send you!

So, did you strike toto grp 1 or 2 since you started donating??

i don't gamble.

and not everything needs reciprocation. if you are nice only to people who are nice to you in the first place, then i rest my case.

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