Gays : To all Singapore Religious Leaders

last SG · 2007-11-06T15:52:04+00:00

Yes, good or bad sometimes depend on the situations.But there are obective standards for an act too. Drinking bear can be considered good because the drink...

PRP SG

Many of the local geys are promiscuios,so there is high percentage of them getting AIDS?Is promiscuity related to homo?My answer is “yes”.

PRP SG

Sex is enjoyable.Of course, geys don't like ppl say homo sex is wrong.If it is really wrong,it would be better to recognise the truth.They can change or seek help.

I believe homo is wrong.Majority of the ppl surveyed don't accept it.The reasons why i think it is wrong,please read my past msg.

Sex is for building a family.Deviating from this norm,it is wrong and has problems.Pre-marital sex,homo sex,visting prostitute & adultery all bring problems.

If u agree with my opinion,good.If u don't,fine.Freedom of speech!

stupidissmart SG

I find your style of debate is very tedious.Why don't u just debate the main points only?

and i find your way of debate insincere because u never answer any of the questions posed

Many of the local geys are promiscuios,so there is high percentage of them getting AIDS?Is promiscuity related to homo?My answer is "yes".

There is a fraction of them being promiscuous, but the majority is like any straight couple u know. Is promiscuity related to homo ? My answer is no. Promiscuity is related to men.

Sex is enjoyable.Of course, geys don't like ppl say homo sex is wrong.If it is really wrong,it would be better to recognise the truth.They can change or seek help.

Wat is the truth ? How do u define truth ?

I believe homo is wrong.Majority of the ppl surveyed don't accept it.The reasons why i think it is wrong,please read my past msg

I have challenged u to write down the points why u think it is wrong. U never did.

Sex is for building a family.Deviating from this norm,it is wrong and has problems.Pre-marital sex,homo sex,visting prostitute & adultery all bring problems.

I believe I have answer tis before. Refer to page 11, 28th nov 1104pm

Different people have different goals and perception. U see sex is only meant after marriage but a lot of people don't see it tis way. A lot of people r married and do not have kids too. More people aren't even married and have blatant sex anywhere and anytime. Some refused to get married too. If u wanna ban, then they r all equally guilty.

Your idea of sex is not my idea. Different peope have different ideas. Don't force your ideas on others.

Why the discrimination ? why don't u lobby a law banning all premarital sex, or banning all prostitute, or making adultery jailable as well since they all caused problem ?

Phaze SG

Or perhaps a law banning prayer. It’s dangerous for gawd believers to talk to imaginary beings.

PRP SG

SIS,

U said most of the local geys are not prosmicuous.How do u know?How do u explain much higher percentage of the local homosexuals infected with AIDS?

I'm very sincere.Don't answer your questions is because sometimes it is difficult to answer questions and sometimes I think it is not very necessary to answer.

PRP SG

Wrong analogy

Pro-homo ppl say choosing between hetero and homo sex is like choosing between apple & durian.Why do they choose good fruits and not bad fruit?Any action is either good or bad.So when they compare homo sex to good fruit.They are saying homo sex is good or morally right.Yet they never say homo sex is morally right.Terribly wrong in using the analogy to explain homo sex is neither good nor bad.Why don't they just say homo sex is morally right?[/b]

PRP SG

If u really believe in what u say,why don't u put up a topic to argue for it?Then u can appreciate what i do for this topic.

Fairness SG

PRP, Remove your signature. You possess NONE and the irony of it is making crap my pants.

During bygone era, women were treated as inferior while men being superior. But as we progress, we abolish such thinking which result in women of our time.
Although there are still the minority who might do so, but these practices are frown upon on by most society.

What I am trying to say is even if you wish to keep deceiving yourself and allow that selfish thinking of yours to persist, our society will gradually progress and one day see all mankind as equal.

PRP SG

Fairness,

U think homo is good,i have the right to think it is bad.U should change your name.

Ha,geys don't have equal right.Any homo person get persecuted in S'pore?That u can speak so fiercely show that geys have equal right.

PRP SG

Most of the ppl think homo is wrong.But few memebers of the majority are interested in this topic.Mostly pro-homo members are interested and speak up.So the lopisded views in this topic.

Phaze SG

Er... once again you miss the point.

Sure. Most people think that homosexuality is wrong but does that mean that homosexuality should be illegal?

In the US, most people think that Islam is wrong. Should that be made illegal?

Most people (if you look at web traffic stats) would say that you should be able to download copyrighted materials freely and without fear of prosecution.

Anyway, we've gone over these arguments many times already. I understand your arguments but I cannot agree with them or respect them and you would probably say the same about my arguments.

By the way, I am thinking of starting a campaign to make prayer illegal on the basis that it's delusional behavior. I'm kinda busy now though. Maybe next year. Not that I think a law like this would pass. I just want to hear what the arguments are.

stupidissmart SG

U said most of the local geys are not prosmicuous.How do u know?How do u explain much higher percentage of the local homosexuals infected with AIDS?

Because there r much more higher people who claim they r homosexual and they do not have AIDs. U want me to prove ? Okie here goes

Estimates of the incidence of homosexuality range from >1% to 10% of the population, usually finding there are slightly more gay men than lesbians

From wiki. Lets say 5% is homosexual. There r 5 billion people in tis world, tat makes it 5000,000,000. 5% is 250 million. Lets look at AIDs now.

Globally, between 33.4 and 46 million people currently live with HIV

Average it to become 39.7million

Sub-Saharan Africa remains by far the worst-affected region, with an estimated 21.6 to 27.4 million people currently living with HIV

These african r straight heterosexual people. Minus these off from the global HIV left 15.2 million.

Now how many of these 15.2 million r homosexual ? I do not know. But lets put it as half of them being homosexual which is a very unfair and high figure. Tat makes it 7.6 million

Now compare with 250 million homosexual, tat makes it less than 3% of homosexual population having AIDs.

sources r from wikipedia

I say a fraction of them r promiscuous. But u r banning all of them including the non promiscuous one. R u fair ?

Pro-homo ppl say choosing between hetero and homo sex is like choosing between apple & durian.Why do they choose good fruits and not bad fruit?Any action is either good or bad.So when they compare homo sex to good fruit.They are saying homo sex is good or morally right.Yet they never say homo sex is morally right.Terribly wrong in using the analogy to explain homo sex is neither good nor bad.Why don't they just say homo sex is morally right?

U have missed the whole point. I have answered your queries but u seemed to be ignoring and running from them. Why don't u try answering them before u repeat your old points ?

03 December 2007 · 11:58 PM

Furthermore if they wanna drink some exotic drink which u think is spoilt, wat has it got to do with u ? Smelly toufu is really spoilt tofu but people like to eat it. Who r u to stop them ?

07 December 2007 · 12:13 AM

And why should homo be labelled as spoilt drink ? Wat physical justification did u use ? Then wat about monk and catholic father ? Given your analogy, they r spoilt drink too isn't it ?

07 December 2007 · 09:46 PM

Why must u try to split everything into good or bad Wat is good or not is subjective. Is drinking beer good ? Is eating oily and fatty food good ? Is taking more plastic bags during shopping good ? Is fasting to lose weight good ? Com'on... there r many things tat depend on the individual and r subjective. It is not good or bad or right or wrong, it all depend on who u rand the circumstances. In the above questions, it can be good or bad depending on the person who is doing it.

07 December 2007 · 10:20 PM

U say it is "objective" standard. Then tell me based on wat grounds u say it is wrong ? If this homosexual become happy with his partner, then it is consider good. Why force them to lead lonely and unfulfilling life ?

08 December 2007 · 09:14 PM

U know wat is the problem with your argument, u say gay sex is bad. Then u fail to say why is homosexual bad, u fail to say why heterosexual is good, u fail to explain anything. The only thing u did is simply repeat "homosexual is bad" "homosexual is wrong" and then did not do any elaboration at all. On my side, I explain my points many times and answer all the questions u asked. But wat about u ? If u want to play tis game, then I can play like u too.

Gay discrimination is bad. Gay discrimination is wrong.

mancha SG

This has gone on long enough.
So no revisits of previous post.

But briefly, regarding 377A, the person who procures sexual services for clients is a _________?

I have already said it is easy to say PROVE IT, to anything that is said, and add nothing.
I have also said I do not have my own studies, or experiments, or reports.
I presume it is links you want. Or others peoples findings. These are accepted as inconclusive.

Why is homosexuality not a perversion?
Sexual intercourse is a liason between male and female. That is the basis for sexuality. This developed into courtship, intimacies, romance, foreplay. And the basis is male/female relationship . Any deviation is a perversion, even when it is harmless.
Homosexuality, the second syllably denotes sex, and it deviates from the basic male/female liason to a same gender liason. Is is a hybrid? No conclusive proof.
IMO, homosexuality is buddy or sistership that went too far. A man can have a bossum buddy, and live with him, nothing wrong with that. But to screw his arse, kiss him, and the like, and marry him! that's the perversion.
Being buddies is not. Same with sistership. Just don't cross the line.
Homosexuality is a perversion, whether you accept it or not.
The question should really be whether it should be an excepted perversion or not.

In my boyhood kampong, there were two men living together, whom I thought were brothers at that time. We did'nt think anything about them, were friends with them. Its only on hindsight that I realise they were gays. Now I don't know where they are, but if I meet them, I would greet them like any of my old kampong elderly.
At present, I personaly know of two women, who are like inseparable sisters, I and everyone else suspect they are lesbians. But we don't know, and don't care.
I say again, what they do in the privacy of their bedrooms is their own business.
And the law holds the same, unless there is a complaint.

PRP SG

When most ppl think an action is wrong,it is possible the legislature would pass a law to criminalise it.Majority rule!

PRP SG

SIS,

I concede most of the local geys are not promiscuous.But the fact that higher percentage of geys infected with AIDS does indicate something unfavorable to homo sex.The govt doesn't ban geys. Section 377A is just a piece of legislation which says the majortiy of the members of parliament don't approve gey sex and geys can't publicly promote it because it is a crime.

PRP SG

I explain again why homo is wrong.It is wrong because:

1.The natural instinct of sex is heterrosexual.Homo goes against nature.

2.The natural purpose of sex is procreation.Homo sex can't achieve the purpose of sex.So it goes against the nature.

3.Higher percentage (than heterosexauals') of local geys are infected with AIDS.

Heterosex in marriage is right & good because:

1.It follows the nature (natural instinct & purpose of sex).

2.It is a happiness (& responsibilty) to have babies and bringing them up

3.One can be taken care by his children when he is old.

shade343 SG

Originally posted by PRP:
I explain again why homo is wrong.It is wrong because:

1.The natural instinct of sex is heterrosexual.Homo goes against nature.
But Homosexuals are created by heterosexuals. If homosexuality goes against nature, what about the heterosexuals that gave birth to them? Laughing

2.The natural purpose of sex is procreation.Homo sex can't achieve the purpose of sex.So it goes against the nature.

What about heterosexuals who have sex for pleasure? By your logic, this is against nature too!!! How? Means Heterosexuals cannot have sex without impregnating someone?

3.Higher percentage (than heterosexauals') of local geys are infected with AIDS.

That doesnt prove anything. If a higher percentage of heterosexuals suffer from terminal illness as compared to homosexuals, does that mean that heterosexuals are wrong too?

Heterosex in marriage is right & good because:

1.It follows the nature (natural instinct & purpose of sex).
Isnt it natural for homosexuals to have sex with each other also? Thats their natural instinct Smile

2.It is a joy to have babies and bringing them up
What about infertile couples? DO they not have joy in their life? Is it unnatural for them to have sex now?

3.The children can look after their old parrents.

Whats wrong with hiring a nurse to look after yourself when you are old? Geys are more likely look after thier parents since they do not have child commitments.

Fairness SG

You have every right or whatsoever to retain that thinking of yours. I am just unhappy with the fact that you deem it as wrong and made unpleasant remarks about it. Who do you think U or they are to judge others?? Does it endanger the general public who are not involve it this?? And with regards to those virulent assualt you made on homosexual, it shows that you simply do not think or care about other fellow human beings and you are being extremely judgemental on others. But nevertheless, your signature still disgust me. I wonder what stupidissmart would say about that..

idiotbutcherer SG

I can’t believe that idiot is still here to flame hatred towards an innocuous group of people in our society. It shows what a pig-headed bigot he is. Someone please hunt him down and shoot him.

Phaze SG

It's not all about majority rule. There's also protecting minorities. Just because most people believe that something is right or wrong doesn't make it so.

At one time, most people believed the earth was the centre of the universe and it was heresy to say otherwise. That did not make it true though. And for the most part, we learned from that.

Hate crime laws were created especially to protect minorities though ultimately they protect everyone.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/12/subway.attack/index.html

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