Gays : To all Singapore Religious Leaders

last SG · 2007-11-06T15:52:04+00:00

Yes, good or bad sometimes depend on the situations.But there are obective standards for an act too. Drinking bear can be considered good because the drink...

stupidissmart SG

Lets summarise our incest arguments and see who is more pathetic

U pull in incest as an argument for why homosexual should be banned. The only similarity between the 2 is rights behind closed doors.

I answered tat incest is different because it can create deformed babies as well as it being a choice and not inborn. Homosexual is inborn unless proven otherwise

then u pull in AIDs and say why don't we ban AIDs from reproducing

I say we should make a law forcing AIDs patient to tell their sexual partner of their sickness, which is definitely more meaningful than 377A. And if they choose to still reproduce and have babies, at least the mortality rate is 20 years old which is better than incest.

Then u say france and japan allow incest

I say so wat ?

Then u say my arguments r pathetic. I felt u r the one tat does not understand the argument

Icemoon SG

Actually you TOTALLY miss my point.

I put incest as the same as homosexual because the same noble reasons repealing 377A can be used to support the repeal of the incest law!

I am not using the incest law to pull homosexual down, but to use the now liberated homosexual to liberate incestous couples also. Mr. Green

Icemoon SG

I mean you should be more worried about women getting AIDS instead of men.

Icemoon SG

They recognize the right of a loving [incestuous] couple to have carnal intercourse behind closed doors .. do you? Rolling Eyes

stupidissmart SG

I put incest as the same as homosexual because the same noble reasons repealing 377A can be used to support the repeal of the incest law!

The key point is homosexual have no choice while incest is a choice. Tat makes a whole lot of differences. The noble reasons used for homosexual cannot be used on incest

They recognize the right of a loving [incestuous] couple to have carnal intercourse behind closed doors .. do you?

To be frank, if they wanna liberate a law allowing incest, I am not gonna be supportive of them nor outlawing them. Wat about u ? Burn them on a stake ?

Icemoon SG

What a joke siah.

People here act noble to fight for the repeal of 377A, citing thousand and one reasons. Say what we shouldn't discriminate minorities, what govt should not impose religious views on minorities.

Then when it comes to repeal incest law, they tell me to, in the words of one forummer, fight my own battle? Confused

And none of them dare to admit the noble reasons for repealing 377A are also valid for repealing incest law.

By the way, incest law already repealed in France and Japan liao. Mr. Green

Icemoon SG

Actually you are the real monster among all of us.

I ask you again, assume the scenario that homosexuals have a choice, does it mean 377A should NOT be repealed? Rolling Eyes

stupidissmart SG

People here act noble to fight for the repeal of 377A, citing thousand and one reasons. Say what we shouldn't discriminate minorities, what govt should not impose religious views on minorities.

U fail to read properly or wat Rolling Eyes I have already said tat homosexual is inborn and not a choice. It is different from incest and incest can give defective children tat can kill them. And u fail to answer these points or acknowledge them. The only similarity is they act behind closed doors, much like drugs or suicide but it is nto good for the overall progression of the society

I ask you again, assume the scenario that homosexuals have a choice, does it mean 377A should NOT be repealed?

I have already answer u, even if they have a choice, they r still better than incest which can give defective children.

Icemoon SG

You never answer the question. I ask you again.

If they have a choice, then it follows that 377A should NOT be repealed?

YES OR NO?

Icemoon SG

I have acknowledged these points as pathetic .. didn't I?

It is pathetic because it is not a reason at all if we consider AIDS will also give birth to problematic children. And your ONLY rebutt is that AIDS children can live for 20 years while these defective children die instantly. Is this even a reason? Moreover, you did not even cite any evidence to booster your claim.

Your rebutt is laughable. You are implying children with AIDS are ok because they can live longer than children from incestuous parents.

Ultimately, you still fail to see the point that it is all about CHOICE. The choice of two consenting adults to have carnal intercourse behind closed door!

Icemoon SG

Dont talk about overall progression of the society.

Becoming a monk or priest or nun also not good for progression of society. Why don't we criminalise them?

Icemoon SG

The ultimate joke is that SIS forgets this thing called condom. This and other contraceptive methods should ally his fear that an incestuous act will lead to defective children.

The rubber pai swee one issit? Laughing

stupidissmart SG

You never answer the question. I ask you again.

If they have a choice, then it follows that 377A should NOT be repealed?

YES OR NO?

I thought I have already answered tat.

NO. Because Homosexual is still better than incest. Furthermore, homosexual is inborn. And lastly, u r just talking about a completely hypothetical case whereby homosexual is a choice. I list down why incest is worse than homosexual

1. Incest is definitely a choice
2. incest give defective children
3. Incest give problem to society since the parents of the children can teach his children to have sex with them making them willing sexual partners. They have a direct relationship

Now why don't u list why homosexual should be banned ? I don't see u giving any reasons why homosexual should be banned.

It is pathetic because it is not a reason at all if we consider AIDS will also give birth to problematic children. And your ONLY rebutt is that AIDS children can live for 20 years while these defective children die instantly. Is this even a reason? Moreover, you did not even cite any evidence to booster your claim

Com'on. DO u accept incest give an additional problem of defective children ? Why don't u answer tis question first ? And if u look at homosexual, than incest give an additional problem to homosexual and tat makes homosexual to be better than incest. Since homosexual is better than incest, than why compare the 2 together ?

Becoming a monk or priest or nun also not good for progression of society. Why don't we criminalise them?

Tat is right. Why not Rolling Eyes Then wat is your rationale for criminalising homosexual ? I want to hear your reasons

The ultimate joke is that SIS forgets this thing called condom. This and other contraceptive methods should ally his fear that an incestuous act will lead to defective children.

True. But I have stated my stand isn't it. Incest is a choice, homosexual is inborn. Even if u can use contraceptives to prevent children, it is not fool proof.

chinese helicopter SG

How about Confucianism ? It is not a religion, does that mean ancient chinese do not have any moral standard before they were influenced by foreign religion? Yes, they had, the ancient chinese women were suppose to be confined in the house before they are married,that was their moral standard then.

So my question here , what type of moral standard should we follow now in the modern world- I think we should follow the norm of majority countries in the world based on fairness and equality- interesting to know, is there a law such as 377A in other first world countries ?

stupidissmart SG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:World_homosexuality_laws.svg

If u look at the map above, u will realise most countries legalised homosexual. Even china, indonesia, phillipines and vatican city(italy) have legalised homosexual. Generally, only religious countries or africa r banning homosexual.

Icemoon SG

What? Even Vatican City has legalised it? Laughing

What is the Pope doing man.

Icemoon SG

Confucianism is not a religion but does that mean the ancient chinese did not have any religion?

The Emperor as the Son of God, ancestor worship, these are surely not denied in a Confucian state of ancient China. In fact, religion is probably as old as civilization itself.

So my question here , what type of moral standard should we follow now in the modern world- I think we should follow the norm of majority countries in the world based on fairness and equality- interesting to know, is there a law such as 377A in other first world countries ?

Is following the majority always correct? Should we, as a sovereign nation, not have a say in the running of our country?

As a pragmatic nation, we should know better. If there is no fairness and equality, the govt should know better than pandering to the likes and dislikes of the religious extremists who are in the minority anway.

Icemoon SG

Why can't you answer my question decisively? Why do you make unnecessary elaboration that doesn't answer my question?

My question is, if homosexuality is a choice, does it mean that we should NOT do away with 377A, i.e. the current law should stay? Is this question too hard for you?

You are really making my day.

Now you are comparing them on the basis of which is better. So the better one you support, the worse one you boo boo. Laughing

Similary you have argued that sex with AIDS people per se should NOT be criminalised but sex with your close relations should be. On the basis of your unfounded assumption that babies with AIDS are not as damaging as children from incestuous birth.

Tat is right. Why not

So you are saying we should criminalise people who become monks, priests or nuns? Laughing

True. But I have stated my stand isn't it. Incest is a choice, homosexual is inborn. Even if u can use contraceptives to prevent children, it is not fool proof.

If it is not fool proof, rightly so, then shouldn't sex with AIDS people be criminal as well? After all, you have a choice whether to have sex with a clean woman or a dirty woman.

happieman SG

[quote]Originally posted by PRP:

I'm not a gey,so i am not qualified to talk about this tiopic.Are u a born gey?[/quote

sorry i have to ask again .. what is your educational level ?

you just can't answer the question correctly .. are you born dumb ?

happieman SG

actually u don have a point .. u keep running round and round ...

i suggest u take a break and relax ... keep away from PRP .. do u more harm than good ..

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