Gays : To all Singapore Religious Leaders

last SG · 2007-11-06T15:52:04+00:00

Yes, good or bad sometimes depend on the situations.But there are obective standards for an act too. Drinking bear can be considered good because the drink...

LazerLordz SG

Udon knows more about the psychology of sexual orientation far more than you will ever know.

Rolling Eyes

Clandestine SG

The original intent of this thread has been de-railed.

Religion ---> religious leaders ----> fight homosexuality....correct?

I say Go for it.
Fight it.
Suppress the pink parade movement as much as you possibly can.

And from your efforts may you have peace of mind that you have done your best in fighting for something you believe in.

Strictly from my standpoint only, and i do not speak on behalf of the general gay population when i say this....I am gay and im most definately here to stay.

You can fight it all you want...and so could i...but i'm too busying living my own life to want to bother about what someone else thinks about it.

I answer to my creator at the end of it all....and i live my life in accordance to the most basic fundemental understanding of what goodness means.

And I know god loves me just as much as he loves my heterosexual brothers.

So I will not be judged by you, or anyone else.

You only matter in your own world.
Not in mine.

oxford mushroom SG

Same tired arguments from the gay lobby again. The american psychiatrists have allowed the science to be swayed by politically correctness. The pseudoscience of the gay psychologists have no hard evidence to show that so-called sexual orientation cannot be changed. Just because psychopaths cannot help their personality disorder does not mean we must allow them to live out their natural tendencies Rolling Eyes

rooki SG

Yada yada.....
I bet you'd be saying the same thing about gender equality 20-30 years ago... Rolling Eyes

Phaze SG

I think religion is a personality disorder. When are we going to have a cure for that? Mr. Green

elias1987 SG

if youre asking relgiious pple, they will say they condone sexuality..but if you ask the seculars, they will say they dont see anything wrong with homosexuality..so how? :s

PRP SG

Well argued!

PRP SG

Good that u dare to admit u are a gay.

U don't insult others because others speak against homo.That is right!!!!

PRP SG

Maybe the majority of the population is 'homophobic'!How?

PRP SG

When some geys lose their argument,they resort to insults & name calling.They are given freedom to argue their view in this forum,why can't they argue rationally.They should know they lose the debate but refuse to accept it!

PRP SG

Really?Is homo a personality disorder?

Clandestine SG

Originally posted by PRP:
[b]When some geys lose their argument,they resort to insults & name calling.They are given freedom to argue their view in this forum,why can't they argue rationally.They should know they lose the debate but refuse to accept it![/b]

When some heterosexuals lose their arguments, they resort to insults & name calling.They are given freedom to argue their views in this forum, why can't they argue rationally.They should know they lose the debate but refuse to accept it.

crosshairs SG

Are you sure you are gay?

happieman SG

Mr. Green Laughing

shade343 SG

I find it unbelievable that you, an educated person, actually grouped psychopath and homosexuals in the same group. Laughing

Clandestine SG

bend over and find out.

Phaze SG

What makes you think he's an educated person?

Phaze SG

Well argued? Mr. Green

Where is the evidence that sexual orientation can be changed?

Oh here's an example! Dr Warren Thockmorton's "Initial Empirical and Clinical Findings Concerning the Change Process for Ex-Gays."

"Throckmorton also produced a defamatory ex-gay video entitled, I Do Exist. The movies opening scene was a wide shot of the 8th Avenue New York porn palaces that supposedly represent gay life. His film featured Joanne Highley, a known exorcist, who in a previous video that appeared on PBS (One Nation Under God) discussed how she extracted the demon of homosexuality from the orifices of gay men."

Damn this sounds kinky. I wonder what a demon coming out of someone's ass looks like.

Other "scientific" research supporting that sexual orientation can be changed is done by groups like the Family Research Council, which is a "Christian organization promoting the traditional family unit and the Judeo-Christian value system upon which it is built." A true paragon of unbiased research! And we're probably being generous in calling it research.

One problem is that these groups think that "success" or "curing homosexuality" means suppressing homosexual behavior. They think that even if a man is still attracted to other men, as long as he doesn't act on that attraction, he's cured.

But hey guess what, if a person is sexually attracted to someone of the same gender, that person is homosexual, whether the person acts on the desire or not.

Now, the following is the scientific consensus. It's not a consensus because of political correctness (as you imply), but it is the consensus of scientists that practice real science, as opposed to "scientists" who are looking for evidence to support what they think a magical being told them to believe.

"Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed."

Sexual orientation is not a choice.

Phaze SG

No. Homosexuality is not a personality disorder. They just happen to be sexually attracted to people of the same gender.

Religious people on the other hand... let's see...

Antisocial Personality Disorder

This disorder is characterized by the careless disregard for the rights of others. It can be recognized by several symptoms. Someone with an antisocial personality is usually decietful and is remorseless.

Let's see... it seems like many religious people seem to carelessly disregard the rights of others (not all of course). Christian "scientists" regularly fudge research or outright lie in order to support their religion and many christians feel it's okay to lie for god. And they are really happy when they do it.

Dependent Personality Disorder

This disorder is characterized by a need to be taken care of an a fear of being abandoned. Suffers of it are very clingy and usually have the following symptoms: helpless when alone because of exagerated sense of not being able to care for self, when one close relationship ends the person immediately tries to find another, problems initiating projects or ideas because of a lack of self esteem, difficulty dissagreeing with others, needs other to take responsibility for him/her, cannot make decisions with out advice from others.

This one doesn't need much explanation. Listen to your typical prayer. "Dear God, I'm worthless and useless without you. I'm pond scum. I'm the belly lint of a person who has not washed for a week. I am nothing... blah blah blah..."

Narcissistic Personality Disorder

Individuals who are excessively grandios, have a need for admiration, and lack empathy are usually considered to be a narcissistic personality. They can only truly be shown to have the disorder if the person has five of the following symptoms: extreme arrogance and haugtiness, envious of others or believes that they are envious of him, doesn't recognize the feelings of others, exploits other persons for his/her own aims, requires admiration, has fantasies of success and power, has a sense of entitlement and believes that he/she is special.

God made me special! You're all jealous of me coz I'm going to heaven and you're going to hell! I'm blessed!

stupidissmart SG

I feel tat those who support the law for 377A r bigots because they r intolerant of other people lifestyle tat has little or no impact to his. I agree tat opposition exists for all changes. For the purpose of the forum, tis is a place where people debate on their point of view and opposition is encouraged. However enforcing a law making a group of people illegal is a total story altogether. U r literally banning them and the punishment is jail. U don't want them to live in the same space as u. If tis is not bigot, then wat is bigot ? Can u give me a better example of bigot ?

Lets give a hypothetical example, lets say there r people who support catholics to be illegal and catholics r exposed to the risk of jail in country A. Do u think the people supporting the enforcement of tis law r bigots or they r normal and catholic deserves to be banned ?

My understanding is, I find it impossible to like and kiss a man. So u believe if I go through some education and therapy I can change my sexual orientation and like a man ? Wat evidence do u have to prove your claim ?

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