No Singaporean will go Hungry

last SG · 2007-12-03T21:10:05+00:00

We are close to that, we are a hybrid regime, maybe one rung higher than communism. If we try harder, we will go back to Monarchy and Feudalism.

Gazelle SG

1) Are your saying electronic companies in Singapore has broken the labour law on foreign labour quota?

2) Are you not aware that Singapore government has been trying to boost the tourism, services and hospitality industry to provide jobs for the low skilled and uneducated Singaporeans.

3) Tell me what exactly you have done to help the poor, other than trying to be some super computer robinhood?

eagle SG

1) How about those that were supposedly "employed a ratio of Singaporeans that is too high"? Or if they switched to using more machines instead of labour?

2) No wonder people complain our service industry is bad and lousy and rude Crying or Very sad

3) Donate to Community Chest, since few years ago, and I'm still a student without any salary.

Spartans SG

To add on, their salaries are already very low. let say plus OT ie 7am to 7pm everyday including Sunday, their total pay is definitely less than $2000. Without OT is less than $1000.

Seriously, I believe for their efforts, they deserved more than these pathetic salaries. And they have families who depend on their tiny salaries to survive on.

t_a_s SG

This minister always talk nonsense, he knows singapore is a developed economy, of course no body will go hungry, like in India, Bangladesh, Burma and africa,pay him million dollar salary, he talked like we are from 3rd world, not worth to be a minister, no sense at all, no brain, PAP is a good government, how people will go hungry,damn stupid, LKY said no beggers in singapore, the minister is sleeping, no one is hungry in singapore ok,

deathbait SG

You realise this is the lower class i've been talking about all day right?

They are the most vulnerable to changes, because they have no buffer.

But as I have repeated many times...capitalist economies ALWAYS have a lower class. It's part of the system. Just like to build big cities, you need big ugly sewers.

The problem here is, in the last few decades of relative isolation, the government has managed to make the lower class too secure. Secure to the point people have forgotten we have a bottom class. And now that they are suddenly visible again, everyone blames the government.

Smell the wind people. This is the real world. This is how it actually works in the rest of the world. The fact that the government has made considerable strides in eliminating the problem altogether for so long is testament to it's success.

To get to the top, we have to step on each other. This is how capitalism works. It's ugly, so we don't like to think about it. But for every dollar you make, someone has to lose a dollar. And that is the gist of it. There's a bottom class because the rest of us aren't there.

We created the problem(it's a natural process due to greed). Now we expect the government to clean it up.

Spartans SG

All I can say is Gazelle, please try not to think in the Government's or electronic factory bosses' shoe. Their aim is to maximize economical growth or company profit.

For once, try to think in the shoe of a low income worker.

1) Nope I am not saying they broke the foreign labour quota. Pardon my ignorance is there such a quote for the low-skilled workers in factories to begin with?

2) Equally low pay but nevertheless good effort by the Government. But we haven seen much success yet. Moreover, job hopping isnt going to be easy for many middle and old age workers.

3) I am a poor man.

deathbait SG

Welcome to the real world. Where the people who do the most disgusting jobs and work the hardest are paid the least.

They deserve more, but no one in the world would pay them more. The part about dependencies really have no impact on the argument at hand. It's like saying you should fire that guy over there instead of me because I have kids. It's not going to work, especially if you're more expandable.

selfobliged SG

Hmm…isn’t that the reason why the low income workers are encouraged to take up courses to increase their earnings?

deathbait SG

The problem with this way of thinking of course, is that the most effecient way to solve the problem of lower classes is to create a form of society close to communism.

And we know how well that went.

will4 SG

From ur posting in this thread, u seemed to pretty biased against ruling party for allowing the foreign professional to come here to work?

What have u got against them?

Gazelle SG

you help them by creating jobs, not feed them using coupons.

will4 SG

When u mentioned the local are arrogant in term of salary acceptance, maybe there is a possibility they might need more pay for other financial commitments?

Spartans SG

What you say is true... it is an ugly world out there Confused

eagle SG

I would like to add on that major firms here would rather hire better skilled Singaporeans here as doing such things would be cheaper than hiring skilled workers from their own country

For the lower skilled part in the manufacturing process, they could afford to hire mainly foreigners because the quota would be fulfilled by the higher skilled singaporeans

weiqimun SG

the gahmen is feeding to this divide....

in japan, they pay a `fair wage' to the (e.g.) sweeper there, hence japanese are able to take up the job, and mind you, they do it with pride too. (if one doesn't rob or steal, there is no need to feel shame for menial job, as someone's gotta do it). and they can survive pretty much in that system.

here, it is `outsourced' to foreigners, who is able to accept a fraction of what is paid previously. of course, singaporeans are not able to accept this low wage as it is at or below subsistence level, especially if u got a family of 4 to feed. foreigners, we know already, come alone, slough for 3-5 years, save up and can live life a level or 2 up in their home country. they got a shot at improving their life at home after a few years tapping off singapore.

if u are lumped in the `correct' basket, u r in luck. much sought-after foreigners will drive up the wage of`value add' jobs, so u ride the wave....`wrong' basket, it's a spiral down one very slippery slope.

now, inflation sets-in....chee cheong fun at my fav sotre now costs 33% more, from 60 cents to 80cents per piece. small change for those in the `right' basket people, but for the rest of us, suddenly chee cheong fun doesn't taste as good anymore...

weiqimun SG

create jobs to be filled by foreigners? bcos singapore open itself to so-called world market, it will drive wages down to unnecessary level whre locals cannot realistically compete.

say what u want....when a plate of rice costs $3 now as opposed to $2.50 previously, the wages of entry or even (dare i say it) mid-level jobs cannot move in opposite poles. the gahmen's rationale of competitive forces decide cannot make sense in this instance, it drives out the folks (mainly singaporeans who served NS and has roots in this country) who are genuinely in need of a `reasonable' wage to survive here.

of cos the gahmen can interfere.....they have `interfered' countless times of other things, selectively.....

deathbait SG

except, if you're still eating chee cheong fun, you're not doing too badly.

weiqimun SG

my last chee cheong fun left a bitter taste in my mouth... Wink

Gazelle SG

1) Companies will not invest in Singapore for cheap labours, they go to places like vietnam, malaysia and china

2) the only time government really drives down wages in Singapore is when they cut the employer CPF contributions during recession. but that was necessary.

3) Singapore is not in position to compete with developing countries on cheap labours, we compete on skilled labours, infrastructure and corporate tax incentives etc.

4) Company will pay you for what you are worth, they wont pay you a premium just because you are Singaporeans. If you cant compete with FT, become a civil servant

moviessingapore SG

Very important news.

Thank you Very Happy

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