Breaking News: Two SDP leaders arrested by Police!

walesa SG

"All animals are born equal, but some are more equal than others." - Napoleon (courtesy of Animal Farm) Laughing

freedom4ever SG

i wonder why the police don't just shoot them? haizzz. anyway they kill them also no need reason mah. cos follow order. Laughing

maurizio13 SG

Originally posted by beggarchief:

[b]GUTS....... THE SUICIDE BOMBERS GOT BIGGER GUTS. PLEASE RESPECT THEM.

PLS REMEMBER THAT THEY ARE DOING IT FOR THEMSELVES NOT FOR SINGAPOREANS.

U WANT GUTS CAN GO TO THE MARKET TO BUY. BIG SMALL ALSO HAVE [/b]

Alas, you have to draw a distinction between the two.

Suicide bombers, murder innocent lives for their cause.

Political activist like Dr. Chee's sister and John Tan, stage PEACEFUL protest but gets hamshackled by the police which is pro-P4P.

Next you will probably be equating the status of those Burmese monks staging PEACEFUL protest, to those deplorable actions of suicide bombers.

It's always easy to blur the distinction so that you can distort the whole picture.

maurizio13 SG

Simple question.

If they truly violated any law.

Why weren't they prosecuted?

Instead they were just abducted.

I guess the authorities who have always acted in a high handed manner decided to be merciful this time around.

Blind submission and obedience contributes to warp logic.

HyperFocal SG

This, is DISGUSTING...
it clearly shows what kind of "law" the despots have in place...!!!

So cowardly!!!

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Update: Chee Siok Chin and John Tan released
Singapore Democrats
20 Nov 07

Ms Chee Siok Chin and Mr John Tan were released after police held them without providing a reason when the two appeared outside the Shangri-la Hotel this afternoon.

They arrived at about 5.00 pm at Orchard Towers when they were told that a group of Burmese were gathering there to stage a protest march. Ms Chee and Mr Tan were there to lend support to the protesters.

By 5.45pm, both SDP leaders decided to take a walk towards Shangrila Hotel as there were no protesters in sight.

As they approached Orchard Hotel, plainclothes police were seen scurrying to set up their video cameras and getting on their cell phones. As the two turned into Orange Grove Road, a group of police officers approached them and warned the duo that they were in a protected area and that they should turn back.

There were at least three other members of the public who walked past them towards the Shangri-la Hotel and they were not stopped or given any warning by the police.

Mr Tan and Ms Chee thanked the police for the warnings and walked on. About 100 m from the hotel, female police officers surrounded Ms Chee and prevented her from walking on.

At this point a senior police officer was summoned to the scene. He asked Ms Chee what her intention was walking towards the hotel. Ms Chee told the police that she was intending to have a meal there. Despite this, the police prevented the both of them from proceeding.

An unmarked police van then pulled up and Ms Chee was forced into the van. Mr John Tan was subsequently dragged into the same van. When asked if they had committed any offence, the woman officer by the name of Thean Siew Khin said no. When asked if they were under arrest, another officer Ng Chee Wei also said no.

So why were they being forced into this unmarked police van? None of the five police officers in the van could answer them.

When asked where the two were being taken, they said "your headquarters". Ms Chee told them that her car was parked at Orchard Hotel and asked to be let off. She realised that the police were taking them to the former SDP headquarters along Serangoon Road.

After spending some 40 minutes in the van, the police finally realised that the SDP had moved out of the office in Serangoon Road. The driver was then given instructions to send Ms Chee and Mr Tan back to Orchard Hotel.

What right did the police have in stopping Ms Chee and Mr Tan from heading to the Shangri-la Hotel when other people were allowed to?

What right did the police have in man-handling the both and forcing them into a vehicle which was not even a police van (PA 2448J)?

Was it legal for the police to take them to a place against their will when they had not committed any offence?

Was this not a form of illegal detention?

Citizens of Singapore are supposed to be protected by the police. Instead Ms Chee and Mr Tan were harassed, discriminated against, and held without any reason.

(Video will be posted soon)

googoomuck SG

The bumbling police appeared a little overzealous. Ask Ho Peng Kee and he'll tell you that's true.

Forget it. It could be worse. Very Happy

<Precious> SG

So is this how the opposition party members intend to show their credibility?
Damn bo liao leh.......... Evil or Very Mad

maurizio13 SG

Any suggestion on what opposition members should do to improve on their standings?

Organise a public forum subject to approval by the authorities?

Have government controlled Straits Time or LianHe to conduct interview?

What channels do opposition members have to voice their ideals?

Maybe you can give some brilliant suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

AndrewPKYap SG

who says they did that to "show their credibility"? and what do you mean by "how the opposition party members"? like all opposition members are martyrs... hahahaha another despots supporter that is one confused person... Laughing

Gazelle SG

NATO pu$$y like you should just shu.t the fcuk up and hide under the skirt.

maurizio13 SG

Laughing

Cannot win discussions with reason and logic, so you succumb to name callings and abusive language.

Tsk tsk tsk......

beggarchief SG

YOU HAVE DEFINED GUTS WRONGLY.

"BOLD N BRAVE" ACTION BY PEOPLE WITHOUT BRAIN CANNOT BE CONSIDERED AS HAVING THE GUTS. IT IS STUPIDITY + NAIVETY.

SDP IS AT THEIR WIT'S END, THEY HAVE NO MORE TACTICS OR TRICKS TO USE. THE ONLY MEANS IS TO PROTEST, SHOUT DEMOCRACY (FOR THEMSELVES). HOPING TO USE EXTERNAL PRESSURE TO INTERFERE WITH SINGAPORE POLITICS.

TRYING TO DISCREDIT AND MAKE SINGAPORE LOOK BAD IN FRONT OF INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IS THEIR MAIN MOTIVES.

SINGAPOREAN WITH A THINKING BRAIN AND A PAIR OF EYES SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THRU THEIR COLOURS.

SUPPORT BEGGAR SECT. PLS DONATE GENEROUSLY FOR THE GOOD OF FELLOW POOR SINGAPOREANS.

PLS DONATE ONLY TO BEGGARCHIEF AUTHORISED BEGGARS

maurizio13 SG

Originally posted by beggarchief:

[b]YOU HAVE DEFINED GUTS WRONGLY.

"BOLD N BRAVE" ACTION BY PEOPLE WITHOUT BRAIN CANNOT BE CONSIDERED AS HAVING THE GUTS. IT IS STUPIDITY + NAIVETY.

SDP IS AT THEIR WIT'S END, THEY HAVE NO MORE TACTICS OR TRICKS TO USE. THE ONLY MEANS IS TO PROTEST, SHOUT DEMOCRACY (FOR THEMSELVES). HOPING TO USE EXTERNAL PRESSURE TO INTERFERE WITH SINGAPORE POLITICS.

TRYING TO DISCREDIT AND MAKE SINGAPORE LOOK BAD IN FRONT OF INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IS THEIR MAIN MOTIVES.

SINGAPOREAN WITH A THINKING BRAIN AND A PAIR OF EYES SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THRU THEIR COLOURS.

SUPPORT BEGGAR SECT. PLS DONATE GENEROUSLY FOR THE GOOD OF FELLOW POOR SINGAPOREANS. [/b]

So what you are saying is, those "bold and brave" actions by the Burmese monks are without brain and cannot be considered as having guts, it is stupidity and naivety???

Is that what you are claiming???

So the main motive of the Burmese monks are trying to discredit Burma (Myanmar) and make Burma look bad in front of the international community???

Care to explain your thoughts on these issues???

Atobe SG

Is it not ironical that this had to occur when the ten ASEAN Head of States were about to sign the ASEAN Charter - which also state the following :

1. To maintain and enhance peace, security and stability and further strengthen peace-oriented values in the region;

4. To ensure that the peoples and Member States of ASEAN live in peace with the the world at large in a just, democratic and harmonius environment;

7. To strengthen democracy, enhance good governance and the rule of law, and to promote and protect human rights and fundamental freedoms, with due regard to the rights and responsibilities of the Member States of ASEAN;

11. To enhance the well-being and livelihood of the peoples of ASEAN by providing them with equitable access to opportunities for human development, social welfare and justice;

13. To promote a people-oriented ASEAN in which all sectors of society are encouraged to participate in, and benefit from, the process of ASEAN integration and community building;

Is it not strange that the very document that is supposed to protect and involve the people of a Member State of ASEAN in this integration process - should be barred from approaching the gazetted grounds ?

The ''nonsensical arrests'' of John Tan and Miss Chee must surely make total nonsense to the laudable points stated in Point 7 of the ASEAN Charter dealing with good governance, rule of law, promote human rights and fundamental freedom ?

This can only happen in Singapore, whose government is expert in the art of deception - signing any documents that declare respect for the rule of law, but will instead give it a twist by using the LAW to abusively rule the people.

The ulitmate insult by the Singapore Government to this ASEAN Charter is in Point 11, which require that the peoples of Member State of ASEAN to have access to social welfare and justice.

beggarchief SG

THE SAME PROTEST, DIFFERENT PURPOSES.

THE PROTESTS IN BURMA WERE THE BURMESE'S CRIES, OUT OF DESPERATION, TO POUR OUT THEIR PLIGHTS. THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSE. THEIRS ARE GENUINE.

THE PROTEST BY SDP IS TRYING TO DISCREDIT SINGAPORE, NOT FOR THE SINGAPORE PEOPLE.

SO FAR, IN THIS REGION, ONLY PHILIPPINES SUCCEEDED IN OVERTHROWING THEIR GOVT BY PROTESTS. THEIR PROTESTS WERE SUPPORTED BY THEIR PEOPLE. UNITY IS THEIR STRENGHT ALSO THEIR WEAKNESSES. PHILIPPINOS ARE EASIER TO MANUPULATE AND INCITE. THEREFORE IS EASILER TO SUCCEED.

SINGAPOREANS ARE THE NUMB AND MORE SELFISH LOT. MORE INTERESTED IN OWN WELFARE N MATERIALITIC. ONLY FEW INTERESTED IN THE WESTERN IDEOLOGY LIKE HUMAN RIGHTS AND DEMOCRACY STYLE.

TRYING TO CHAMPION SOMETHING WHICH THE VAST MAJORITY NOT INTERESTED IS SHEER WASTING OF TIME.

THE FOREIGN PRESSURE GROUPS ARE VERY POWERFUL AND RICH. THEY ARE EVER READY TO FINANCE AND SPONSOR GROUP TO FIGHT FOR THEIR CAUSE.

SO, DEAR SINGAPOREANS, DONT SUPPORT ANY PARTY WHICH HAS THE BACKING OR SUPPORT OF FOREIGN GROUP.

IF SDP ONE DAY IN POWER, THEY WOULD BE SPEAKING FOR THE FOREIGN CAUSE AND NOT FOR THE CITIZENS.

THE FIGHT FOR DEMOCRACY FOR FELLOW CITIZENS IS HONOURABLE, BUT THE FIGHT FOR OWN SELFISH DEMOCRACY AND PARROTING FOREIGN GROUPS IS NOT.

WE SHOULD FIND OUT WHAT DEMOCRARY THE SDP IS FIGHTING AND WHO ARE THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR. SINGAPOREANS OR FOREIGNERS ? BEFORE WE SHOW OUR SUPPORT.

LazerLordz SG

What makes you think human rights and democracy are not Singaporean causes?

They are as local as char kway teow. Never ever forget that.

beggarchief SG

PLS LIST DOWN SPECIFICALLY WHAT TYPE OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND DEMOCRARY YOU WANT ?

EXAMPLE -

1) FREE TO PROTEST
2) FREEDOM OF SPEECH ....

LazerLordz SG

Originally posted by beggarchief:

[b]PLS LIST DOWN SPECIFICALLY WHAT TYPE OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND DEMOCRARY YOU WANT ?

EXAMPLE -

1) FREE TO PROTEST
2) FREEDOM OF SPEECH ....

[/b]

Why don't you do some empirical studies in the field? And get a proper survey audience with diverse age and occupations included.

Some of us go out and do real work, while you wank around here. Tsk.

FireAndHell SG

I dun think they were arrested, just escorted outta the gazetted zone....Of all the days, why would they wanna go to this particular hotel, at these particular period for dinner......unless for some devious and obvious reasons.........hehehehe Razz

Looks like CSJ is smart this time.......sends his rookies [or dumb-bos] to do the dirty deeds for him..... Twisted Evil

maurizio13 SG

Originally posted by beggarchief:

[b]THE SAME PROTEST, DIFFERENT PURPOSES.

THE PROTESTS IN BURMA WERE THE BURMESE'S CRIES, OUT OF DESPERATION, TO POUR OUT THEIR PLIGHTS. THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSE. THEIRS ARE GENUINE.

THE PROTEST BY SDP IS TRYING TO DISCREDIT SINGAPORE, NOT FOR THE SINGAPORE PEOPLE.

SO FAR, IN THIS REGION, ONLY PHILIPPINES SUCCEEDED IN OVERTHROWING THEIR GOVT BY PROTESTS. THEIR PROTESTS WERE SUPPORTED BY THEIR PEOPLE. UNITY IS THEIR STRENGHT ALSO THEIR WEAKNESSES. PHILIPPINOS ARE EASIER TO MANUPULATE AND INCITE. THEREFORE IS EASILER TO SUCCEED.

SINGAPOREANS ARE THE NUMB AND MORE SELFISH LOT. MORE INTERESTED IN OWN WELFARE N MATERIALITIC. ONLY FEW INTERESTED IN THE WESTERN IDEOLOGY LIKE HUMAN RIGHTS AND DEMOCRACY STYLE.

TRYING TO CHAMPION SOMETHING WHICH THE VAST MAJORITY NOT INTERESTED IS SHEER WASTING OF TIME.

THE FOREIGN PRESSURE GROUPS ARE VERY POWERFUL AND RICH. THEY ARE EVER READY TO FINANCE AND SPONSOR GROUP TO FIGHT FOR THEIR CAUSE.

SO, DEAR SINGAPOREANS, DONT SUPPORT ANY PARTY WHICH HAS THE BACKING OR SUPPORT OF FOREIGN GROUP.

IF SDP ONE DAY IN POWER, THEY WOULD BE SPEAKING FOR THE FOREIGN CAUSE AND NOT FOR THE CITIZENS.

THE FIGHT FOR DEMOCRACY FOR FELLOW CITIZENS IS HONOURABLE, BUT THE FIGHT FOR OWN SELFISH DEMOCRACY AND PARROTING FOREIGN GROUPS IS NOT.

WE SHOULD FIND OUT WHAT DEMOCRARY THE SDP IS FIGHTING AND WHO ARE THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR. SINGAPOREANS OR FOREIGNERS ? BEFORE WE SHOW OUR SUPPORT.

[/b]

Why different purpose?

Dr. Chee also fighting for Democracy, so are the Burmese monks.

Dr. Chee also fighting for basic human rights in Singapore, but the reason behind this is Singaporeans nonchalant attitude towards human rights, all they care about is materialism. (so admitted by you)

Discredit the government, believe me the government has no need for any discrediting abroad. You can see the negative responses when MM Lee goes over to Australia to collect his conferred degree.

I think the Filippinos value democracy more than us Singaporeans. Filippinos are easier to manipulate? What are you trying to imply here? Aren't you also a victim of manipulation by the regime?

So what you are saying is, if Singaporeans are numb, materialistic and selfish lot, they should not be given any basic human rights, let them suffer the consequences of their selfishness. Your thoughts and actions are kind of vindictive to the Singapore citizens.

Even Pakistani citizens crave for Democracy, strange that an advanced country like Singapore prefers to waddle in the status as a Hybrid Regime.

What foreign cause might SDP be promoting? Care to elaborate? Can you read Dr. Chee's mind? Do you have proof to substantiate your claims, or is the information you have provided by our government controlled media?

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