Myanmar and the Sheep

last SG · 2007-10-07T10:14:45+00:00

I did say he was diligent but constructive ....? There is something more (underlying) that we are obviously not getting!

mancha SG

Originally posted by Atobe:

What is a sheep ?

It is the usual animal with four legs with hooves, a head that has not too much of an intelligent grey matters, two eyes and ears, a mouth that feeds incessantly on grass and excrete just as much, and in the process grow enough hair that is known as 'wool' that mankind has found some use.

A sheep is one of the few animals suited for domestication due to its docile, obedient and unquestioning nature that allows it to be easily managed for the benefit of some more intelligent beings.

Unfortunately, there remains some 'Black Sheep' that prefer to stand out from the rest of the flock, and are rejected by the rest of the flock - not for its uniqueness in color but for its flaws that are of no benefit to the flock nor to anyone else.

Hence, we have the term 'Black Sheep' to describe those few whom the majority will reject for its obnoxious behavior that offend the sensibility and good nature of everyone.

Is a sheep useless to mankind ?

It takes only a 'Black Sheep' to believe that being a sheep is useless, and surely we can understand the bitterness in such an opinion from a 'Black Sheep' rejected by the flock.

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Ah! You are getting it.
A sheep is a sheep, whether standing here or there, this color or that, pro or anti.

qlqq9 SG

Oh yeah, mancha the ardent PAP supporter is talking about sheep. There are so many damn snakes out there.

Atobe SG

Yes, but did you get it even as you quote me in your own preferred way ?

A sheep is one of the few animals suited for domestication due to its docile, obedient and unquestioning nature that allows it to be easily managed for the benefit of some more intelligent beings.

As mentioned in my text that you have quoted, sheep are usually docile, obedient and unquestioning.

However, within any territory surely you do not expect that there will be only sheep - as where there are sheep there will be sheepdogs that tend to the safety of the sheep and there are sheep dogs that keep the sheep in good order.

There will always be black or white amongst the sheep, as also amongst the dogs, and all animals.

If you believe in only one color, you must be sadly lacking in the qualities that others have in seeing the World with more abilities then you possibly have.

mancha SG

If you believe that the political sheep can be of only a particular affiliation, then only, "you must be sadly lacking in the qualities that others have in seeing the World with more abilities then you possibly have."

Atobe SG

If you prefer to use the term ''sheep'' surely you must know something about ''sheep behavior'' - that they must find group security and are easily herded in some direction or they will feel lost ?

If you believe otherwise that sheep cannot be of any particular affiliation - 'in some directional or political' - surely then it confirms that 'you must be sadly lacking in qualities that others have in seeing the World with more abilities then you possibly have' ?

mancha SG

I use your quotes because I agree with your view on the qualities of sheep.
And if you scroll up, you will see that I began with the statement that all political entities depends on sheep for their ranks.

You are correct when you say the intelligent uses the sheep.

What I am saying is that there are sheep in any camp.
And the intelligent being are hidden, guiding and manipulating the sheep.

Politically, is your stand like "If you are not with me, you are against me"?
i.e there can only be one kind of sheep, the sheep of the other side.

The incumbent party have sheep, the opposition have no sheep?
Can that be?

(Here is my post to save you the trouble of scrolling up.)

Atobe SG

Thanks for your clarification, unfortunately somehow you persist in the black and white in this issue - {and perhaps applicable to all other issues as well ?}

Surely you do not believe that in any community - even in Animal Farm - that there only sheep exist ?

Even the MIW Party has specially bred super-intelligent, and also find special breeds of dogs to protect their interest and perpetuate their own political future.

The term 'Sheep' is simply a derogatory term mischeviously created - by the resident 'Black Sheep' that hallucinate being a Gazelle - to describe anyone who will willingly - even enthusiastically - accept dissenting views towards the MIW Government.

The 'Black Sheep' will believe that such Singaporeans are uncritical and will enthusiastically support dissenting views without questions, and such arrogant derogatory attitude simply reflects his own uncritical views and enthusiastic support to the deceit practises of the MIW Government.

Under such circumstances, you are not wrong to believe that a situation has been created that 'if you are not with me, or you are against me' - and such a situation has been forced onto this Speakers' Corner by the mischievious methods of the resident 'Black Sheep'

If you do not define your position in a clear and unambiguous way, you will simply be seen to lend your support to the Other Side.

BadzMaro SG

And i thought debating and discussing of issues would be more fruitful and eye opening to all if there was people from the other side talking from their point of view . Fair enough that sometimes their argument is weak , un-intelligent and a bunch of mumbo jumbo , surely it wont be a discussion or exchange of views if everyone is going at the same direction in single file.

Or maybe like sheeps...leading other sheeps.. in single file.. either to greener pastures , or over a cliff.

mancha SG

Quote:
"If you do not define your position in a clear and unambiguous way, you will simply be seen to lend your support to the Other Side."
Unquote.

What does this say about the state of Speakers' Corner. Whose fault is it that is has come to this state. The other fellow?

The problem I see in Speakers' Corner is the fixation with 'position'. Where do you stand, is deemed more important than than the opinion offered, or comments made.

I have noticed that name calling/labeling persist in Speakers' Corner especially the term sheep. That's why I state that sheep exist in any camp, pro or anti.

This should be a forum for the discussion of ideas, opinions, views, suggestions, or feelings. And one should be mercenary about it. By that I mean ask, ask what (knowledge) can I gain from this post, what (advise, advice, suggestions) can I contribute. Should there be none, ignore the post.
We should be mature enough to know that we cannot control another person in this forum. So if someone chose to give his opinion on the person, rather than the idea, deem it not worthy of a response. That does not mean you cannot contribute some humour, when the opportunity presents itself.

You have provided many gems of facts and insight, but you flitter your prestige when you joust with Gazelle. I have noticed many thread with a large portion of it being nothing but derogatory remarks about each other personalities. I skip those posts.
You would do well to ignore Gazelle.

Am I an ardent supporter of the PAP, as is alleged?
I am not a member of any political party, neither am I a supporter of any of them. Come election time, I vote with my head. I chose the best of the lot. I do not surcumb to peer perssure.
I am not happy with the PAP presently, because I am twice retrenched, and a third is comming up. I like Goh Chok Tong, because I see him as a PM for the people, but not Lee Hsien Loong, because is a PM for the corporations. But the real reason is, in GCT shift, I was uplifted high economically, in LHL shift, I was sacrificed as an economic fodder.

As for government policies and actions.
I am like a judge in a singing contest.
I appraise the song sung. Not the singer. Should the song be sung well, it will have my applause, if not my criticism. I am not so prejudiced against the person such that no matter what is sung, how it is sung, I give my condemnation.
So for government policies and actions, I support, I critise, I make fun of, I laugh at, I defend, I deride, I comment, accordingly, to my own assessment of them. I have no need to be affiliated to any side, or procure the approval of any group.

Gazelle SG

Macha,

what is your opinion about forumers using fabricated lies in this forum?

As I have highlighted before, the sheep in this forum doesnt think when they read something from their fellowsheep and they never question if it is facts or some imaginary tales create as long as it satisfy their urge to comdemn the government.

Want proof? Ask Atobe...he is a good story teller.... Mr. Green

kramnave SG

Have we forgotten about Burma ?

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