Singapore gays allowed a step forward, but pushed two back

last SG · 2007-08-03T22:14:49+00:00

One thing's for sure. The state of citizen advocacy and lobbying has improved a fair bit overnight.

PRP SG

Geys,please fill in the blank of the following sentence in less than 15 words (I am a verbabose phobia):

Homo sex is right because (_________________________________).

udontknowme SG

you are also homophobic Rolling Eyes

tell mi. is the only reason why you have sex to have kids?

is there no pleasure involved? edit: maybe you dunno cos u neber had sex before? P.S. are u bery religious?

and btw, what does 'i am a verbabose phobia' mean?

PRP SG

Homo supporters are right to say that the govt discrimiante against geys in retaining the rule but repealing other unnatural sex law for heterosexuals.

By right,both rules shouldn't be abolished.If so, there wouldn't be any issue of discrimination.

Taking it more positviely,perhaps the geys should think the govt love them more so they keep the rule for them.Anal sex may increase the chances of getting AIDS.Better don't do it!

oxford mushroom SG

Values and norms of a soceity do evolve, and the laws along with them. What you and the gay community fail to understand is that the laws of the land must reflect the norms and values of a society at a given point in time, not run ahead. Gays and the liberal leftists have shown in this matter that they do not respect the rule of the majority. As the PM said, they will find that they will be given less space, not more, as a result of this debacle.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a website dedicated to exposing the identity of the gay community....parents will want to know if their children's teachers are gay...a witch hunt may well have been started by the homosexuals themselves.

jondizzle foshizzle SG

Just because you don't think it's right doesn't mean you should discriminate against it. If that was the case then you should be discriminating against those who believe in religions that differ from yours.

LazerLordz SG

And such a move will be liable for incitement of hatred and sedition if a witchhunt occurs. Whoever tries to do something of that sort will be singled out for charges and prosecution, plain and simple. There's a difference between moral objections to a lifestyle, and exercising state legislative power to enshrine that objection through non-action.

There is space for civilised debate, and those who have seen information not privy to the media will know that the debate was pretty much calm until a certain academic decided that slippery slope arguments and normative statements that are religiously aligned were in vogue again.

Everyone wants to enlarge the common space, but some individuals want to shrink this space.

It is not a crime to be born a certain way, and though I am definitely not going to appreciate homosexual activity, it rankles me to think that one's orientation is enough to classify one as a criminal.

How's that for a slippery slope. Ironic isn't it.

PRP SG

I don't discrimate against geys.

If homo is right,then one can advocate it.Is it right?

PRP SG

Straits Times has published an article which says that it is not known whether geys are born or not.

udontknowme SG

so being straight is right????? do not bring religion into this.

what makes things right and what makes things wrong Rolling Eyes

or issit just because other people say that 'A' is right and therefore you believe so too?

Kuali Baba SG

What a baseless generalisation. Have you been taking Hard Gay too seriously? Rolling Eyes

Gay people are just as capable of monogamous relationships as other people of their own gender. Making such sweeping statements accusing them of promiscuity and paedophilia fuels the paranoia even more than heavy-handed activism.

rooki SG

Anyone thought of this possibility?

With the advent of the Pink Dollar, perhaps in the near future 377A will be amended to decriminalise intercourse between foreign men, yet retained against citizens to protect "family values".

After all, most rich gays are foreigners. The government claims it treads a tightrope between pragmatic economics and heartland Asian values, and this is a perfectly plausible way to maintain the balance.

Just like in Korea(?) where locals are forbidden to enter casinos. Double standards are certainly very familiar to our govt.

LazerLordz SG

To hell with the Straits Times. They've never been known to be paramounts of journalism anyway. It wouldn't surprise me if they took the side of the paranoid conservatives.

Movers and shakers don't listen to what they have to say, the ST, with the exception of Life, Sports, Defence and Review sections, are frankly meant for "nation-building".

happieman SG

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I agree with you...

Miss PRP is homophobic is a fact !

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PRP SG

Starting of insulting & name calling from a homo supporter.

PRP SG

Homo supporter,just fill in the blank for the above msg!

PRP SG

There is one writer of ST who is sympathetic to homo and wirtes articles on the subject too.

sgdiehard SG

Official records of homosexual activities do not mean Chinese society condoned such activities. If you read Water Margin, revolution against local authorities might be common at that time, but you think it was ever something acceptable in the society? If you read "jin ping mei", or stories about Emperor Qian Long visiting prostitutes, don't you believe that prostitutes were ever accepted in Chinese society, try marry a prostitute and see how your folks respond. Homosexuality is recorded as one of the 10 sinful acts in Shan Shu, and is always an act of "corrupt public morals" "shang feng bai su". Han Wu Di was recorded to have favored a second wife, instead of the emperess, and it was his son who became emperor after he died, not another man. Was he born a gay? hardly

LazerLordz SG

One writer will still have a hard time trying to undo the damaged reputation of the newspaper.

If he writes true to his heart, then I'll say at least he has the guts.

LazerLordz SG

Oh we're not taking the right to condemn away, we just believe that condemnation cannot form part of the legislation of a nation.

udontknowme SG

this isnt about what is right and what is wrong. Rolling Eyes

i guess you are a 'hetero supporter'????

ok then, YOU tell me why heterosexual sex is right. (and again, do not bring religion into the picture. thanks)

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