PR good good

reddressman SG

Is it that a PR son born here must be a citizen?
or Is it that this son must be a PR?

If this son must be a citizen, he will need to serve NS unless he drop citizenship and return to original motherland?

If this son can also like his father be a PR, must he serve NS at 18?

Can a PR have PR son and from there on every new generation maintain as PR forever? If can, can I say there is a scenario where no one PR ever needs to do NS ?

pls enlighten .

wisefool83 SG

Yes, if you are the son of a PR or if you are a PR and you are below 18, you will need to serve NS at 18 or give up your PR and subsequent citizenship. Hence why I used to have a bunk mate from Chengdu and why a Malaysian friend of mine who grew up in Singapore since young had to give up his PR status and return to Malaysia.

reddressman SG

Nowadays, I hardly hear of malaysians applying for citizenship. Many can easily qualify but choose not to. This is really what he told me. He said his wife a singaporean can liao. Can allow him buy condo and have kids here. He had not given me the reason why he wants to retire in Malaysia. But this is what I sense also. Now, its mostly China and Indian citizens who are the more likely to drop their motherland cert for sg cert.

I dun understand why not allow them the freedom to keep BOTH citizenships. Like this, I guarantee new immigrants tripple in numbers . But how to decide who is less loyal to which country in that case? Conflict of Interest?

I dun mind having double citizenship. 1 of sg and the other malaysia or Australia or HK or Japan or Korea or even China and Thailand.

Melvin Tan SG

From my Malaysian friends, a number of them want to work in Singapore but retire in Malaysia. This is the reason why they do not wish to take up PR. The answer is apparent if you look at the present living costs in both countries.

Dual citizenship is something I support with due carefulness. It gives a person more choices but in the event of his or her two countries getting into a spat or war, what happens?

Regards

reddressman SG

ya lor. Some more its not just between 2 countries when u consider all the possible source countries people wanting to apply for sg cert. Like this, which new immigrant can assure singapore that they will be citizen and work like a citizen in many singapore companies and stay loyal to singapore when conflict of interest can arise when their mother-countries are involved in a situation with singapore?

virtually impossible to rule out conflict of interest in this respect by giving dou-citizenship unless we so so so no other way already.

roots with a person's mother country can not be cut so easily as humans are beings of the sentiments. Impossible. PERIOD.

wisefool83 SG

I've met quite a few Malaysian at my workplace, there a few interesting exceptions from the norms that you've already mentioned. For e.g. there is this girl who specifically wants to apply for PR in order to be able to have CPF. Most of us were like ?????? but ya, you got all sort of people. That friend of mine lived in Singapore all his life, and really wanted to be living in Sg rather than Malaysia, but when told he must do NS, he packed up and move north Razz

will4 SG

It is not surprising cause some of the Indonesian staying here for most of their lives kena told to serve NS, they immediately gave up their PR also.

caleb_chiang SG

Well, he will never be a citizen if he do not serve NS... Wink

reddressman SG

My indon colleague stayed and worked here for say 6 years straight and last year, he went to work in USA. I also asked him why he no wan convert. He no say the why. He had not returned since and email me he enjoy in USA , cheap car and petrol and higher pay and cost of living can be managed that his income is really much more than here. He sg PR (some pronounced it as pee-eller)

This led me to had started on the look out for a place to migrate to just for backup plan. Can still keep sg cert but having another membership may be good also. No hum what. Still loyal like PRs what.

reddressman SG

What i meant was, when economy crashed like it did last time, long ago, can check if my other membership got lobang to bang or not. So, double layer protection always no hum and always good the good good. Wink

will4 SG

Majority of the Indonesian will likely keep their citizenship n in fact they learning from the Malaysian, worked in other countries but put their Spore

salary in an Indonesian bank. They can buy houses in their countries.
Property tax on an Indonesian bungalow is S$1000 a year.

oxford mushroom SG

Black cat or white cat...it does not matter which brings in the rats

PR or citizen...the one who contributes to Singapore's prosperity is the one who matters

reddressman SG

3 days ago, a malaysian colleague was asked by some indian colleagues which nationality he is from. This malaysian colleague , a male in his 30's, replied that he is Malaysian and that he had lived in Sg for the last 18 years, is married to a singaporean girl and lives in a Condo.

The indian expat colleagues then asked him, why he dun wan convert. He replied honestly that there is NO INCENTIVE for him to convert in terms of :

1. PR privileges is basically just like a citizen's. No incentive to convert. When he converts, he has to drop his motherland cert. He said "Why would I want to do that when there is no need to do so?". The PR privilege is so good like citizens, he has no reason to want to drop his motherland cert. He said, sg is so small and anything can happen in future. Now he can enjoy best of both worlds. He loves his Malaysia and claims that a singaporean wanting to apply for Malaysian cert is tough , very tough for some reasons. So, he would never consider dropping Malaysia cert for Sg cert as there is basically not likely he can get back if he wants to in future.

2. His wife is Singaporean can already. Can buy condo. I am not sure if onlly singaporean can buy condo. I not sure what he means by this.

3. He has many sisters and they all doing the same.

I must congratulate sg for implementing such a wonderful situation for foreigners to enjoy double-happiness. Which country can singaporeans apply for PR and enjoy such wonderful privileges as our PR offers? I wan!!!!!!!!!

kramnave SG

Australia

reddressman SG

By the way, this guy earns a comfortable income and chose not to drive for some reason. Maybe Malaysia car so cheap, he finds it funny to pay for one in sg. And also pay for the marvellous COE, ERP, Road tax, Parking. Oh , what magical joy this parking is giving us. Soon, the contactless season parking will be implemented if not already and I foresee more joy to come. and come in our face.

reddressman SG

I have already considered Australia my next membership. But Where got as good as Malaysians are enjoying sg being so close and much higher currency exchange rate and equal opportunity for foreigners to compete with locals such that locals have them to thank for?

I know members have their privileges to enjoy.

I mean, PRs, are they really loyal? Subjective (I am being very fair giving this comment already hor.) , I guess. Why they come here? Money ? Work? To sacrifice for Sg? So loyal, should kahr kahr apply for citizenship lah. dioboh?

I must thank them for competing for ricebowls with singaporeans.

I must thank them for giving our gals more choices to find a husband.

Last but not least, I wanna thank our gubbermen.

reddressman SG

If I were to say , I hope Malaysia allow singaporeans easier getting the Malaysian PR or Citizenship, would this not be something that when become reality, serve sg'reans good by providing a new backup plan for the future? At least we have a home to go to if we 'badly' need the cpf money every cent drawn out for some good reasons?

for example, when u sell a house, u still need to buy another house to stay right?

will4 SG

To apply for Malaysian PR is easy for local n IDR project is trying to bulid residential proerty aimed at local. However not many local like to apply for

Malaysian PR.

Hello Kitty SG

wah. confusin.

me dunwan to read so long leh.

can summarise anot?

reddressman SG

You sure?

I dun see any reason why a person should not apply for malaysian PR if its easy and there is IDR.

Ask ourselves, what is the negative impact to you if you own an additional Membership?

What does the saying that 'Members have its privileges' imply?

I believe memberships the more the merrier.

How many PR can a Sg'rean own at a time? If 5 I may consider all 5.

As long as Malaysia dun make it difficult for people to become PR I think IDR can be promising. A home with not a longkang but a real view.

I am interested to explore more options for PR and what it really takes to get that PR and if there are any hidden costs. I need not be loyal to Malaysia. I also need not be unloyal to malaysia. I just use PR as a form of membership. I promise to contribute nonetheless to Malaysia. I will promise to buy property in Malaysia , spend money there as I stay there more and spend money there. That to me is the benefit to Malaysia. I hope Malaysia focus on the money and investment angle and welcome singaporeans to be PR there so that I can also apply and have a fallback, backup plan. As my Malaysian colleague cum singapore PR said, Sg is tiny and if anything happens in future, got a backup plan. Having said this, I must iterate that my views are merely what-if scenario based. As HP said, Anything is possible. Thus I must learn from our sg PRs to own as many PR as possible where members have his privileges.

Friends, to be PR of IDR, must I own any property there? how much for processing and admin fees and how to the turnaround to get that cert?

Please advise. I am totally serious about this. I kiasu and see how my PR colleagues have enjoyed being PR and benefitting from the system and giving competition to our ricebowls, I wan to enjoy the same also.

Any sg'rean now a Malaysia PR? I wan to learn more from you. Please enlighten me. Very Happy