All out to defame our governement

snow leopard SG

hello fymk and busspeeder, you are both right, full self govt was granted when lim yew hock was chief minister.

but david marshall was the one who started the fight for our independence.

maurizio13 SG

He has pass on the duty to his son, his son won't fight us, he will just fix us up.

snow leopard SG

yes you're quite right. but to put things into perspective. david marshall fought for our independence. though he did not succeed, he laid the foundations of that independence.

do not agree that LKY won independence. the impt independence was independence from the british. to that end, david marshall played a much more significant role than LKY.

maurizio13 SG

But we can't deny that he was the initiator, he was a part of the long process of independence. If David Marshall hadn't started the process, our LKY might not even carry on the motion.

It's quite ironic, imagine David Marshall writing in to pester the British government for independence, just when the British government was about to give in, he resigns, LKY comes along, writes a letter and got independence. To whom does the credit belong to?

soul_rage SG

I have 2 points to make:
1) I want everyone to remember, that when a country goes thru some crisis successfully, pls DO NOT forget that the credit goes to EACH and EVERY Singaporean here that bit the bullet and do their part (till now, they are still biting the bullet). The credit DOES NOT belong to the leaders alone

2) Can you clarify that are you saying that 100% of those who emigrated do not love Singapore?

maurizio13 SG

The thing is that, when you are in power anything goes, you can even whitewash history, like what Japan is doing about it's wartime attrocities.

maurizio13 SG

I think another major pwnage coming up.

Mr. Green

sgdiehard SG

If you haven't read, how do you know it has little substance. no time to read just pass.

sgdiehard SG

I shake my head...sigh....do you know what this Twisted Evil means?

Frog in the well and fish in the drain, what's the difference? changing citizenship a big achievement? I suppose you have to start life by moving somewhere

maurizio13 SG

Oh yah. Do you hear any clink clank noise when you do that?

Oh please elaborate, I don't do mind reading sessions here.

Care to counter my points instead of side tracking the issue?

sgdiehard SG

Originally posted by fymk:

David Marshall actually formed the platform for LKY to fight for Singapore's independence. Don't forget David Marshall.

As for LKY and his family, you don't know them and I don't know them. What makes you think their wealth will sink if they leave Singapore? Right now LHL and LKY earning millions per year. Not bad what - if I earn like that in Singapore, I will also stay. Who is to say they didn't "diversify their investments"?

And like I say , your definition of migration is severely flawed - it is yours , not the general accepted definition. [b]Even CID when they ask the reasons for requesting a police check - they have a tickbox on migration. How come CID can accept that definition for migration and you can't ? If that tickbox was marked, how come Singaporeans are not immediately deprived of their citizenship? Before you speak without substantiation, think first.

Lionnoisy can criticise Australia if he/she actually live in Australia. Problem is that LN does not.

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There were Toh C C, Rajaratnam, Goh K S....and many other respected old guards, founders of Singapore who toiled for the country but never claim the right to run the country forever the way LKY did, and neither do those who leave singapore for good have that right.

So what if LKY or LHL put their money in Swiss bank, as long as they stay in Singapore, they are better than those who leave. Actually, I much prefer to see LKY move his family to australia, voala, Singapore declares holiday, fireworks and funfair. Those who have already migrated then can say, "see, even LKY leaves Singapore, we told you Singapore got no future." Laughing

aiya, really don't want to argue with you on the definition of migration. If my definition is wrong then let me say this, if you think singapore got no future then leave. You dont' have to fill in any forms in Singapore so what you tick in any form in your host country is none of Singapore business. Of course you declare you need CID clarance for immigration purpose, the clarance is required for your application for immigration but it is not a guarantee you would get it, just like bank statement is required for your application for student visa, but there is no guarantee unless you fulfill all other requirements.

Think we have delt in this topic long enough. You should know by now how Singaporeans who do not want to migrate feel about those who migrate because they believe Singapore had no future. Nothing to win, nothing to lose. We wish those who migrate happy life ever after, but if you are hoping that Singapore would collapse, dream on..... cheers.

Rock^Star SG

I have read it a second time and may I echo:

Big talk and hence little substance. Add 'self contradictory' and 'hollow philosophy' to that.

Spare me the mountains and chungkuls for they barely make credible sense.

Once a Singaporean, always a Singaporean, wherever one may be. Just what have you learnt from national service.

BusSpeeder SG

LKY only coincidentally won independence for Singapore. if malaya wanted to keep Singapore, we will currently be under PM Abdullah Badawi, who, IMO is quite good? but then, thinking about malaysia being more and more corrupted, i still think singapore should be better off independent, but not under the hands of LKY

fymk SG

You are side tracking and giving me a run on a topic when you know your own definition ( and mind you - it is only you who gave me that definition) of migration is wrong.

Don't argue with me on what is generally accepted. CID even accepting that migration does not mean giving up your citizenship as a reason proves you wrong. When you get a letter from the Australians requesting a check for citizenship - then that will raise flags - my friend wanted to do that but they gave a letter stating APPLICATION FOR CITIZENSHIP. I myself had the APPLICATION FOR PERMANENT RESIDENCY cover letter when I first applied for police check. Get it into your head what is migration.

I don't wish Singapore to collapse . Don't put words in my mouth. It is still a part of me and I wish her well. I can see her doing better and going further , just not under this government , that is why I am criticising. Don't even attempt to paint me as someone wishing their own homeland to do worse.

If you notice , LN pasted stuff about Sentosa and I didn't say anything against it while others were talking about the high price. I only said I will tell my Australian colleagues about it when they visit Singapore. Why? Because tourism is vital to Singapore and I still like to show people where I once lived - I am still happy that she is doing well and I do like her to DO BETTER.

When policies are planned - they have to have a positive impact long term. Right now, I can't see long term with how the Singaporean govt policies are going. Short term reactionary to gain benefits maybe ...not long term. For example the biomed hub in Singapore (short term reaction). Singapore had the edge of allowing stem cell research via embryos .

Now that a few Australian states are opening up to ideas of stem cell research. Victoria already passed the legislation allowing stem cell research on embryos within a certain limit . Bearing in mind , Australia herself has an established biomed hub with really internationally renowned scientists and far more advanced than Singapore's. What makes you think Singapore can sustain an edge over the biomed hub they planned?

This is not the only problem but it is an example.

I talk about hypotheticals what ifs and in history ,no country stays up forever with short term fix solutions. If you cannot accept that fact, then too bad.

sgdiehard SG

Not everything I said is meant for your ears, not everything I said can be comprehended by people like you. I am happy if you have learned from national service, no quarrel. Also if you do what you say, "Once a Singaporean, always a Singaporean, wherever you may be", I am also happy with that, just don't turn this into a Big Talk.

sgdiehard SG

I stop. No need to argue about hypotheticals and that "Singapore is a bubble bursting anytime or in the near future" is not a foredrawn conclusion, definitely not a fact.

Singapore today remains home for Singaporeans, this is not a perfect country and there are many things we need to change, some more drastic than the others, we need and will continue to change, in our way, at our pace, with PAP and a few oppositions for the time being. Whether it can stay forever, or how long more before it goes down, I don't know, but at least now we agree that it is UP, no? Smile If you think it is unlikely that the PAP could be right in any long term policy at all, or oppositions could never gain any strength to make any significant changes, then it is even more unlikely that the like of you who are overseas could do anything. Mr. Green

The fact that some Australian states are establishing a biomed hub similar to that in Singapore, only prove that they agree with us that there is future in biomed, we have been right in such investment. Very Happy The fact that they will be competing with us doesn't frighten us. Cool From ports, air travel hub,.... to multi media industries, since when were there no competition, since when had Singapore always had an edge? we move on.

Drastic changes to the government is unlikely, and definitely not in the interest of the country. Have confidence and patiance, stay with us, no confidence cant wait, leave. Smile

Kuali Baba SG

I think you have some comprehension problems - read carefully, especially that in italics.

ShutterBug SG

The recent screw up in the numbers of strokes metted out to an offender, graphically illustrates how, NO ONE needs to defame the government...

.. they're doing it themselves...

will4 SG

I watch the news on Channel U a couple bought furniture from Malaysia cause they felt the increase in GST is too much already.

Will local flock to neighbouring Malaysia to buy daily grocery?

sgdiehard SG

Not in biomed business, but believe such hubs exist in many places besides Australia and Singapore. not interested in disputing what the australians have established. Was responding to the first few sentences and the last sentence of the paragraph. Does it say that while Singapore has established a hub, a few australian states are just opening up, and Singapore must have achieved an edge, before they need to sustain. no? Mr. Green

"Now that a few Australian states are opening up to ideas of stem cell research. Victoria already passed the legislation allowing stem cell research on embryos within a certain limit . Bearing in mind, Australia herself has an established biomed hub with really internationally renowned scientists and far more advanced than Singapore's. What makes you think Singapore can sustain an edge over the biomed hub they planned?"

What's your point?

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