Underhand tactics used in sgforums

last SG · 2007-06-28T15:58:37+00:00

You said it all!!! As it is now, I dont see unity among the people of Singapore. Many times, when others or I voice our concerns about how the country is ru...

BadzMaro SG

Rolling Eyes

I see an underhanded tactic being used now too~

MooKu SG

Can I say something.. maybe it's just me, but I find your posts a bit hard to digest because it's just... messy... your thoughts are sort of like all of over the place and your punctuation and tenses too. Maybe I'm not intelligent enough lo... but... they confuse me more than they enlighten me. Sad

Pitot SG

Don't you just notice that everytime its just the same few people in here? Laughing

Fingolfin_Noldor SG

Bah. This forum has enough apparachiks from the PAP, it is a wonder they have no guts to reveal their real identity and jobs.

^tamago^ SG

clones FTW! Laughing

crazy monkey SG

when you point a finger at someone, you point four fingers to yourself

Laughing

citymax SG

Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
I have this theory... I started the thread "All out to defame people critizising THE governement" because I noticed that some people here are using propaganda techniques...

They start a thread like "All out to defame our governement" or when some one start a thread like "All out to defame our governement"; this group of people will keep on bumping the thread up so that the title: "All out to defame our governement" gets repeated, repeatedly.

It does not matter if inside, the motion has been soundly debunked.

Many people do not read the contents inside the thread and every time they scan the "Newest Topics"; they see: "All out to defame our governement" and soon, because the thought keeps repeating in their heads... they start to believe that people are ""All out to defame our governement"

So please bump this one up and soon, everyone will see that dishonorable people are "All out to defame people critizising THE governement"

See how I on purpose use the same spelling "governement"?

so someone please start a topic : [b]Can anybody proof that our ministers are NOT corrupted? and use the same word "proof" instead of "prove".

Then bump it up every time "Can anybody proof that our ministers are corrupted?" is bumped up. Notice how "All out to defame our governement" stops after I started this thread?

Better someone else do it than me, or I could have registered a clone to do it.

We have no control over the "controlled press" doing it but we can surely prevent such underhand tactics from manifesting in sgforums...[/b]

hi TS,

I am the one starting off the thread on 'all out to defame the goverment'

im sorry for the spelling mistake, but by saying the underhand techniques we use, that is a form of defamation.

So is it wrong people to post their views for the thread that irks u????

R we at fault to say out our own views????

So u wanted us to name which ministers in Singapore are not corrupted?

but can u name me which countries have uncorrupted ministers???

will4 SG

U r not at fault to pose ur opinion. Ministers are not corrupt but who is the real capable one beside Minister of Health who truly has a sense of passion

in helping the citizen. U ay no corruption. Definitely u need to compare with
HK or Korea cause these two produced better capable people n international brand name companies like LG n hyundi.

robertteh SG

If ministers are talented worth S$3 million pa, we the citizens would like them to show talents like being able to motivate our own citizens and local companies to apply knowledge and produce value-add works and services like LG, Hyundai, Samsung and not to keep giving free monies to foreigners to no end leaving our people to suffer from rising costs, unequal incentives,high taxes direct and indirect and lost opportunities.

will4 SG

Giving money to foreigners?

robertteh SG

Incentives like low rentals, scholarships, tax havens were given to many China and other nationals to entice them to become PR which were not available to locals. These are free monies. Some China nationals use these free offers as stepping stones to migrate to US and Canada. Only one in five of these are interested to take up citizenship. They take away our citizens' jobs as many poly and skilled locals are still not employed although they could fill the jobs given to these foreigners.

We are not short of skilled workers or talents and the assumptions made by MOM that we are short have not been proven. Our own poly and other skilled workers can create jobs as well but this fact was conveniently forgotten in order to give themselves free hand all the time to do as they like to pretend success.

will4 SG

I agreed to some extent some of these foreigner after becoming PR migrated to other countries but some also served NS. Smile

Local should also tried to migrate to other countries.

Ito_^ SG

now this is strawman tactic. Laughing

soul_rage SG

Originally posted by matleep:

and with that, you call him a "counter-insurgency agents who issued threats to sue forumers for replying to their own threats and intimidating remarks and provocations."

your answer undo all the merits that you had in your previous post.

I was expecting you to quote someone who
1) is link to govt.
2) say something bad, and [b]sue and threatens others for their reply[/b]

why do you need spoonfeeding when all you need to do is to a search on the following people:
- Gazelle
- oxford mushroom
?

missqi SG

Honestly; it is your fault you started that thread-who are you blaming? It’s just a forum; get a damned life.

fymk SG

I am one of those who choose to move away. I come in and post . I got a long list of complaints because my relatives and friends are in Singapore and some can't leave. Some of them can't openly complain. I once thought Singapore was the world until I finally understand the context of it.

I am not about to let the government tell people not to migrate because they will be "treated like second class" citizens or call them "quitters". Well excuse me , why is Singapore even taking in foreign quitters if the same reasoning applies?

If Singapore needs my help one day , I will come back, not for government's sake but because it is still my homeland and I still have friends and family there.

People who irk me are ones who choose to bash a foreign country when they don't even live there.

If you cannot accept that there needs to be improvements made ,that's just too bad. If you enjoy paying Ministers' millions in salary just because of some shitty reason about "global competition" , good for you but I don't think my friends or family back home like that. They complain about it to me so many times.

If you don't want to accept the views of overseas Singaporeans who lived out of the bubble called Singapore, it is your perogative. I still got a stake in Singapore until my entire family pulls their roots from it plus the whole of their history there ...which is next to impossible . My father still reminscences about a "developing" Singapore he lived in after the Japanese War , where people were more about the community - poor but happy.

Let me quote you James A Baldwin

"I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually"

And apply that to why overseas Singaporeans choose to criticise Singapore.

pearlie27 SG

Underhand tactics used in sgforums – hahaha …... u call that underhand tactics? I would call these as crude and pathetic ways some jokers fantasized for their imaginary role as the defender of the government!

robertteh SG

Do we need to get personal by naming any more? Just post our views and opinions on government policies as this is what speakers' corner is for anyway. If criticisms are not substantiated by facts or logics the government ministers may ignore them.

If they are substantiated by logics and rationale even if not well written or researched the ministers should go to the extra mile to give us citizens a good service by taking all necessary actions and not engage in calling us names through their countering agents for this kind of attitude is immature and wrong.

PM Lee has just last year before IMF meeting advised citizens to put up 4 million smiles and go to the extra mile to give good service to their customers. Are ministers citizens' paid servants ? If do we citizens have to answer to provocations or questions of their counter-agents here challenging us with threats of libel suits.

It is as simple as this so I do not need to answer why we citizens are criticizing the government as it is their jobs to answer to any problems or issues raised. They are not paid millions to do nothing or just to challenge why citizens are querying them.

With the above-stated larger perspective of government we as citizens would continue to expect ministers to conduct themselves with proper decorum like servants and not lord over us. So do I have to answer your question who have threatened forumers with threats of defamation do I ?

To all forumers I advise them to continue to criticise the government if it does not perform up to expectations and not be afraid of threats of defamation?

sg mata SG

Neutral Neutral Neutral Neutral

sgdiehard SG

wuo ho ho ho.....it is your choice to move, nobody sent dogs to chase you away, you come in and post anything you like, or else there would be no freedom of speech. All Singaporeans know we are too small, just a little red dot, here in Singapore the east meet the west, and we know how big and complicated the world can be out there, who would have thought that Singapore is the world?? Rolling Eyes

The government called you guys "quitters" but did they ever ask you not to migrate? did you not just buy a ticket and fly to wherever you want. How long you stay overseas is not decided by Singapore but the host country, no? so excuse me, if people are free to go out, why should others be prohibited from coming in?

Surely Singapore needs to improve, we know that, and what was good in the past may not be good now, so not only do we need to improve, we need to improve all the time. Do we agree with the high salary for the ministers, NO, do we agree with the changing of the CPF rules, NO, ....you can list as many as you like and don't think that Singaporeans do not know the issues or do not accept them as problem. Criticise as much as you like, but don't think what you are saying are anything new. Honestly, you people can be naive, but we are not ignorant. Our problem is that each see different ways to tackle the issues. In our opinion, migrating is not one of the ways. We prefer people who stay together and face the issues together.

Singapore a bubble ready to burst? you think so, and this is what the PAP wants us to believe, just that their version is "without PAP, Singapore will burst like a bubble". Fat hope, singapore will stay as a country, with or without PAP, with or without those who migrated.

Please cut off all these hypocricies about coming back to Singapore to help when the country needs you. If you are so bitter about Singapore, if you see Singapore is nothing but a bubble that will burst anytime, and yet you choose to leave, even leaving behind friends and relative who can't leave, who would believe you would come back and help when the country is in trouble? If you are ready to pull your roots plus all the history from Singapore, how can Singapore be your 'homeland'??

You and your family decide what you want to do, you are free to stay, you are free to go, but your hypocricy really irk!!
Twisted Evil

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