HOTA: Opt Out and You are Marked...!

last SG · 2007-04-18T16:33:43+00:00

Asking this is like why women do not need to serve NS. The main reason is due to religious beliefs. But how they identify muslims? Not all of the same race...

airgrinder SG

So where will your organs go to?

Since u retain control over who and what u choose to donate, what actions had u taken to ensure this, before it is too late? (example deathly motor accidents, etc).

soulwinner SG

Then???

airgrinder SG

So what is the best way that should be done?

If we can't change that, then what is the best we can do?

Highlighted in blue. Nobody say this is what happen in hospitals.

airgrinder SG

Please dun reply for the sake of replying, with anything to contribute. You're just wasting time and space.

january SG

ahem.. please dun complain too much guys..

dun sound as if its a easy job being a government...

dun sound as if the policy is illogical at all.

you people just complain in the internet and think from your own point of view.
dun talk as if singapore government has contribute nothing to the society.

look here, singapore is well known for not having natural resources like other countries.... we cannot make everyone happy, especially if you all just complain and dun improve and mature.

being competitive and knowledge driven is our only options.

dun take the good things of being singaporean for granted and just picked the bad things to complain...

frankly speaking, being born in singapore is still ok loh, it neither very good.. but it is also not every bad either if we compare to poorer countries...

i see the taiwan news frequently, and the pple are complaining abt the government everyday, over many things. taiwan is worst than singapore in terms of social problems they have.

if you want to have a good life, then you must be born in dubai loh or some countries who has many money one. i hope dun be too easily influence by complain people down here.

airgrinder SG

It doesn't matter. It does not matter why people opt out. Different people have differnt beliefs, different ideas. I dun like blue jeans, u love blue jeans. I dun wanna eat chicken rice. U may wanna. Many people love the nasi lemak from boon lay market. But there are some who dun. Would u consider why the small percentage who dun before u eat it?

But even this does not matter.

cos at the end of the day, considering all this will not help save the next patient's life.

airgrinder SG

But there are also thousands of people correctly diagonise and their organs used to save others.

The 2nd last paragraph, it's an extremely bias opinion.

For the last para, it's an interesting metaphor.

airgrinder SG

Well said. Especially

"......especially if you all just complain and dun improve and mature.

dun take the good things of being singaporean for granted and just picked the bad things to complain..."

LazerLordz SG

and your "sitting-on-the-fence" replies aren't much in terms of insightful policy analysis as well.

It only serves to further show that all this "oh it's all not so bad" lukewarm opinion towards HOTA, does not encourage a strong debate on it's merits of deficiencies.

january SG

being a government, which is a very large organisation, it has so many departments and so many people and so many money at stake.

in economics, for such large corporation, there are bound to be many many things to do, many decisions, many rules to set. as a result, there are bound to be errors, and mistakes..

the implementation of policy is complex and the communication to people of the policies is difficult. tell them to deep and detailed people get frustrated with all the technical terms and the large amount of information..

tell them too briefly, the people will miscomprehend, jump to conlcusion, or see things only from a narrow point of view.

all human make mistakes, failures are common as going to foodcourt, companies and governments will also make mistakes..

there is a very subjective thing as to whether should we blame someone for death of people or whether we should realize that life is bigger than us and many things are not really that within our control.

alot of times, we people are emotional and just argue mainly to make sure have evidence to support our stance. we probably more concern about that our theories are right than to really think profoundly on realities of life.

I used to get angry when school system cork up and waste my time , or when hospital staff do somethings which i think brings problems for me...

however, if i just going to have a narrow minded view and just get angry because I am affected, then surely my life will filled with angry and frustation because i am see things my own way. i would have fail to really try to understand what the reality is and there i should not be so narrow minded in seeing things.

i can tell you that if you do not try to learn more about the world, the reailty, things that are happening in society and do not accept the problems in world, then you will find yourself angry when things go against you and threaten your welfare...

you start reacting aggressviely and arguing and put blame on others.. jumping to conclusion.

Kuali Baba SG

If I want to donate my organs, I want to do so of my own free will. I will let only my family members know. And I believe in miracles.

The way HOTA prioritises those in the queue who are still covered seems to generalise that all those who opted out are selfish bastards and are less deserving of help.

'Incentives' and 'deterrents' only serve to cheapen what is really a personal matter of conscience.

LazerLordz SG

I'm not surprised those people aka technocrats, running the show, lack the ability to see beyond 1 and 0. Laughing Because that's just what it is. The world is black and white to them.

walesa SG

What drivel are you on about? Is it humanly possible for you to have an internet subscription, phone subscription, credit card if you didn't opt in on your own accord and subscribe to these things in the first place? Or are you saying you were actually opted in to these schemes without your knowledge prior to them informing you?

In those examples you mentioned, "silence means consent" only holds true after you've - on your own accord - subscribed to them and thereafter agreed to abide by their terms.

So much for a third world intellect...

walesa SG

Engaging third-world intellectuals in a debate aren't worth the time, really... Laughing

walesa SG

The truth of the matter is, in most entities (be they corporate or commercial by nature) in civilised societies, there's no such thing as a "de facto" opt-in scheme/policy, much less one backed by the full force of the constitution.

ShutterBug SG

First, they control usage of your hard earned money via their CPF.

Now they wanna control usage of your organs...

..your body, but not yours even when you're dying...

Purest form, of Dictatorship anyone has heard of in the WHOLE WIDE WORLD...

january SG

if you all think Singapore really is some organised 'syndicate' and it is unfair,

then i advise you to migrate to another country which you think is better.

if you all cannot migrate due to several reasons, then i suggest you stop complaining because it is useless.

if you all think that complaining in the internet will cause HOTA to change the policy after reading pple thread, then i say you all can go complain all you want to influence the policy.

in the end, if you can change something, then just take the action and skip the complaining people. If you cannot change things, then complaining is a waste of time. Complaining alos serve to give you more reason to be angry.

january SG

i advised readers to be careful when reading internet articles..

be more selective and dun believe too much because they may be wrong opinions.

particularly when you have your own stance already and you will feel motivated when you see argument that supports your own stance. it will only serve to make you feel emotional and believe more and more in it.

bascially, be careful when reading from the internet because anyone can upload on it, so the credibility is not that high.

MamaRos SG

When the doctors declare someone as 'brain dead', I wonder if that person is absolutely unable to think, feel, hear and smell. Imagine how horrifying it is to be able to do all that even though the scanner shows zero brain activity.

I think that is the utmost fear most people have of donating their organs. Perhaps, there should be a list of criteria whereby Singaporeans can opt to donate. For e.g. :-

1) when the heart stops beating;
2) when there's severe damage to the brains;
3) when both kidneys collapse;
4) when both lungs cease functioning

For cases of coma, patients should be allowed to opt out by immediate family members - spouses, children and/or parents. Comatose patients have been known to wake up, albeit the time period can differ from person to person.

Now I have a question. If the doctors remove various organs from a donor, will the recipient be charged for the organ/organs he/she received during the organ transplant operation?

ShutterBug SG

This is precisely what I was asking too, because it looks a lot like money is being made by the way HOTA is enforced..!

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