The Story behind PAP winning every Elections!

Spirit of Fire SG

Singaporeans are pathetic & worse than the Chinese in COMMUNIST China. Even the farmers over there dare to protest, & then plus the famous Tiananmen incident. Singaporeans are virtually being ‘tamed’ already. Unless Singaporeans wake up their ideas & not blindly vote for the PAP, our future generations will forever be paying big money to the PAP bloodsuckers.

798 SG

yeah i fucking mark for that! Mr. Green

ShutterBug SG

Originally posted by Atobe:

Which Election Series are you referring to with your remark - "Most cannot even express themselves properly and clearly and even behave like thugs!" ?

Your final remark - "Do we want to take a risk voting for these clowns?" - simply reveal a meek submission to the constant psychological conditioning of your political values.

There is not only ONE REASON for the PAP's election victories all this while, and it is not entirely due to a lack of credible opposition alternatives.

There are MORE THAN ONE REASON for PAP's election victories - one is its hijacking of all print and broadcast media, and its mean use of it to promote itself while putting all other competitive views in a poor light.

A second reason is its gerrymeandering of election boundaries that attempt to regroup electorates into areas which are seen to be their strongholds, and dilute the strengths of the areas with strong sympathies towards the alternative parties.

A third reason is its political machinery is given exclusive access to political activities 24/7/30/12 throughout the year, and with total immersion into the National Psychic by administering PAP philosophies and pro-PAP values from the neighborhood kindergarten and child care centres, and Community Activities organised by the Community Centres that are operated by the Peoples' Association - which itself are manned by political appointees from the Ruling Party.

Fourth reason is the use of the legal system to stifle and bankrupt anyone who dare to bring up issues that will even put a slight tinge on the character of this government - even fair comment towards anyone in [b]Public Office is not allowed in Singapore.

The irony of it all is that those holding Public Office of Authority will give themselves the unbridled authority to search and raise PRIVATE issues that will place the Private Affairs of a Citizen to full public scrutiny, and done with total impunity.

Fifth reason - with a Judiciary and Public Security System that is based on the non-independent approval and appointment by the Ruling Party, anyone who dare challenge the 48 year status quo will open itself to the full force of a non-independent persecution system.

Sixth reason - the psychological conditioning of a talented population that was able to stand on its own feet to survive during Colonial Rule is now made to depend on the generosity of the POWER OF ONE to dispense good governance as a matter of privilege of Citizenship; and not its obligation to provide it as a matter of Political Responsibility to those who have elected them into Public Office.

The list can continue endlessly, but these few will suffice for the time being.

We should ask ourselves - are Singaporeans an untalented lot of people in reality, as made out by the POWER OF ONE, or is this psychological conditioning purposefully pushed to suit the political agenda of the POO ?

To answer this, you will have to ask yourself - are you as untalented as you have been made out to be ?

Are you a Political Clown without your own political views and values ?

Can you survive without the POWER OF ONE ?

Can the Power of ONE survive without the co-operative submission from you and I as Citizens ?

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HAIL ATOBE!!!!

WHAT a brilliant and SCORCHING speech!!!!

Mr. Green

dracky SG

PAP keeps winning because Singaporeans vote conservatively. PAP have administrative experience in running the country; WP is inexperienced. Singaporeans can see that this is true and, being pragmatic, vote for the party with experience. Better the devil you know.

If you want a change, you have to convince Singaporeans to take a chance with WP.

ShutterBug SG

For all the negative impressions I have of PAP, one thing is true - WE, do not yet have a better alternative. Conservative is indeed the right word, because everyone's lifelong achievements are at stake, IF, a voted alternative party is incapable of stoking the furnace of Singapore's economy...all our earnings..down the drain... and it would take decades to rebuild everything again.. or ever...

SO, this is the crux of the matter. People are afraid of losing everything like in buying 4D...

But then again, even if there exists parties who are capable, do you think the ruling party will allow them a chance, to show and tell??? NO! All avenues are road-blocked! So, it's a vicious circle...

Coquitlam SG

BEst solution is for us to migrate….let’s see if future sillyporeans will still vote the same…by future sillyporeans are those that came from Indian, PRC, Russians etc who have migrated here…kekeke

SevenEleven SG

why migrate? leaving does not meant the problems solved or at least only solved your unhappiness. look at the bell curve. there's up, there's flat and tere's down. someday a new era will come for my country

richong 3216 SG

The following are some of the factors contributing to the pap winning every time:

1) Not politically savvy voters who are apathetic to the demoncratic process - action: nothing much can be done - only time will reduce this problem

2) Pap doing well (if it aint broke dont fix it) - action: tell voters we need more opposition as check & balances & not to form the Govt

3) Political morons, clowns & chalartans, appearing before an election, who will tarnish the image of the opposition - action: must find ways & means to weed out this flunkies/weidos before they can join in the fray

4) Pavlovian conditioning of voters with fear & certain consequences near & during the election period & somehow some imberciles will commit stupidities/absurdities which will be attacked - action: cannor think of a solution

bernardlcg SG

The PAP controls the media, that's why! ISD here ,ISD there,ISD everywhere! Pay And Pay 's peoples are idiots that's why! The oppositions must buck up and improve and bring in more candidates for the elections!

GO GO GO GO,WORKERS'S PARTY! OPPOSITIONS TOO!

singaporefirst SG

Migration an option if you have the skill sets and youth; or pots of money. Ordinary joes have to stay here and continue living.

If you want a change, you have to risk your comfortable existence and despite changes in electoral boundaries, etc vote other than PAP to show you exist and want a change. Laughing

kristovorus SG

lol your 1st part is quite true. Every1 wants a decent opposition voice in the parliament. theres no fun in letting PAP dominate the parliament totally. but whos willing to let their town get run by the opposition? every1 knows what happens to "rebellious" districts. Look at the crap hougang mall and lousy amenities potong pasir and hougang had.

So the typical singaporean would think

" hey! i dont like pap. i'd like workers party and SDP to have a strong voice in parliament. but i dun think i'll vote for them. so risky! what if they actually win and its good-game-noobs for my district... better not "

Then i think its not really because there arent no capable parties, rather, i think its because all the smart people who are interested in politics would rather join PAP than any other opposition parties. seriously i would do that too ( not that im interested in politics ). while theres some policies i dont agree with, most of their policies are still economically and logically sound. Joining PAP would at least allow the person to fully utilise their talents. If you join the opposition party how much difference can u make? You'll have to wait for like decades just hoping that PAP loses their grip on power, then your party can sweep the general election. A smart person would rather join PAP, despite its flaws, so that he can make a difference, which is the whole purpose of politics isnt it?

So theres simply not enough credible and smart people in the opposition parties that people trust with their own livelihood, hence the dominating spree PAP has on the general elections.

kecang_puteh SG

Originally posted by NeoPet2:
It's true. We cannot blame Cheng Hu if we want to maintain a lifestyle which we cannot afford nor if some of us are too "dumb" to have higher qualifications.

But don't you think they have crossed the line when they constantly think of new and demeaning ways to get more money from the citizens. As with the Ministerial Salary Increase Debate, S'pore's foreign reserves stands at US$210 billion !!!!! A lot of money if you consider a country so small.

Why then do they need to keep increasing MRT/Bus Fares, ERP Charges etc. where it is so frequently used by the masses. Is it really a case of MONEY NO ENOUGH??? Why can't some of our older folks be given an allowance to ensure that they are at least given some peace of mind in their old age. Do you know that everytime they announce some packages/incentives to help the people, it is always flawed. Take for example the incentive to have more children. The money given out is measly, the children funds are tied to your own contribution and they will match dollar for dollar! If you are struggling to maintain your children's expenses, how much can you contribute to the fund, think about it. Now you know why a lot of couple are still reluctant to have children.

Don't just read about all those help schemes as advertised. Get right down to it to find out more; be it for the old people or the young couples having a child or for households earning $800 or less. [b]You will understand when you find the real truth on your own. Else all of us will just only be a smart alec and post all kinds of comments here ..........................................Cheers! [/b]

I think the amount of foreign reserves we have is a testament to the ability of the government. For such a small country to be able to accumulate so much wealth, there certainly needs to be good leadership. The reserves are there so that we have a backup when there is a shock to our currency. It is normally seen as a strength. Were you expecting the government to give out money to the population?

ERP charges increase because traffic jams increase. The ERP system is solely used to control traffic jams in the CBD area and not a money making scheme by the government. It is the only known effective system of controlling heavy city traffic jams.

The public transportation is run by corporations and not by the government. They increase prices because their bottom line is profitability. However, they need to submit price increases to the Public Transport Council for approval. It seems that they are approved because of rising costs due to increase in fuel prices, lower than projected ridership and other reasons. Please remember that they are private firms and they do not want to lose money for they are answerable to their shareholders.

The old folks have CPF and nursing homes to take care of them. If the government starts handing out money, people will take it for granted and will not save money by themselves. If old folks need help, they can approach the various government funded organizations. I do not know much about the children funds, though.

Atobe SG

Originally posted by kecang_puteh:

I think the amount of foreign reserves we have is a testament to the ability of the government. For such a small country to be able to accumulate so much wealth, there certainly needs to be good leadership. The reserves are there so that we have a backup when there is a shock to our currency. It is normally seen as a strength. Were you expecting the government to give out money to the population?

Karl Marx - the Father of Communism - had written that when a Government tax its Citizens more then 50% of its wages, it is actually robbing the Citizens.

On the surface, even as Singapore adopt a supposedly 'Progressive Tax Structure', the wages of Singaporeans are absorbed into the State Treasury through a plethora of tax collection methods in different guises.

CPF will remove 20 percent from the monthly wages of Singaporeans, which is used as cheap long term loan to fund the Government's infrastructural development, as well as cheap funds to grow revenues for the capital to set up the numerous GLC's.

Average Singaporeans will pay taxes of between 9 to 23 percent of our annual wages earned, and added to the amount deducted for "our" CPF Accounts, Singaporeans are already seeing a reduction of 29 to 43 percent of our wages.

The remaining 71 to 57 percent will also end up in the State Treasury for the payment of essential services that are exclusively provided by State Owned and Operated Companies - and prices for such services dictated to us.

Does it need good leadership to enforce such extortion on a population that is made to depend on THE ONE SOURCE ?

Even the Hong Kong gangsters were able to run a huge profitable black market for the illegal settlers living on the hillside, with services and an underground economy that rival that provided by the Hong Kong government.

ERP charges increase because traffic jams increase. The ERP system is solely used to control traffic jams in the CBD area and not a money making scheme by the government. It is the only known effective system of controlling heavy city traffic jams.

Prior to the implementation of the ERP system, the then Ministry of Transport and Communications had been increasing Road Taxes of all vehicles - that originally saw a 1600cc car paying Annual Road Tax of $170 in 1974, to $380 in 1984, and approximately $1050 IN 2007.

These regular increases were more than 100% from the base year in 1974.

When MBT took over the Ministry, he sold the idea of ERP to Singaporeans that with its full implementation, it will allow the Ministry to reduce the Road Tax, as well as the removal of the PARF and ARF Taxes schemes for the importing of cars.

ERP has already seen the First Stage of implementation with all entry points into the Central Business District being electronically gantried.

The Second Stage being implemented with the electronic road pricing being charged on selected peripheral roads to regulate traffic flows during peak periods entering the City.

The Third Stage being implemented with electronic pricing for all roads leading cars away from the City.

Now we are seeing the Fourth Stage of the ERP being implemented, when additional gantries are installed inside the Central Business District that will charge all vehicles a second time after the first gantry at the perimeter of the CBD.

With the ERP already in place for more then 15 years, the Road Tax has only been reduced only twice, resulting in a reduction of about 20 percent.

If this is not money ripping scheme to enhance the state treasury, what other way can we look at it - especially when the cash in the Cash Card will automatically be deducted from each vehicles that pass under the Electronic Gantry, and pumping cash by the second into the State Treasury.

While it lower traffic flows along the expressways, it has increased congestion in all the peripheral roads adjacent to the expressways bringing Singaporeans home.

It will not be too long, when the ingeneous Ruling Party will place additional gantries along these congested peripheral roads; and with more roads being congested, we will see more planting of additional ERP gantries.

What better excuse to collect cash at each tick of the second hand ?

This is only another part of the system that extract the remaining amount of our wages after the deduction of the Annual Income Tax.

Atobe SG

continuation from above

The public transportation is run by corporations and not by the government. They increase prices because their bottom line is profitability. However, they need to submit price increases to the Public Transport Council for approval. It seems that they are approved because of rising costs due to increase in fuel prices, lower than projected ridership and other reasons. Please remember that they are private firms and they do not want to lose money for they are answerable to their shareholders.

These public transportation corporations are set up with capital from Temasek, whose monies come from the Ministry of Finance.

Those who run the public transport corporations have been annointed by the POWER OF ONE.

During the Colonial Days, up to the late-1960s, Singapore Public Transport System was actually operated by Private Companies owned by Singaporean Citizen-Entrepreneurs. There was a tussle between these businessmen who requested approvals for fares to be increased, but the Government held back approvals and demanded that services be improved with more frequencies and investments in new vehicles. It turned out to be the proverbial 'Chicken and Egg' situation, and the Government hold out was due much to the fear of the Ruling Party that such essential services will enrich those few Singaporeans, many of whom have not given their political allegiance to a Political Party that was not yet the POWER OF ONE during the 1960s.

Now that every major public transport companies are all Government Owned or Linked, it seems that they are more liberal in approving fare increases then in the past.

The old folks have CPF and nursing homes to take care of them. If the government starts handing out money, people will take it for granted and will not save money by themselves. If old folks need help, they can approach the various government funded organizations. I do not know much about the children funds, though.

Either you are an idealist, or an innocent waif; and I have no wish to speculate on your age, but from the tone of your statement it is sad that you will believe the propaganda that 'if the government starts handing out money, people - (do you mean the Old Folks) - will take it for granted and will not save money by themselves'.

This statement is insulting Singaporeans, especially when the monies that the government plan to handout is stolen from Singaporeans.

This statement is insulting to the Older Singaporeans, especially the two old ladies who wanted only to have the opportunity to sell 'wanton noodles' to support themselves during the old age; but HDB insist on selling the hawker stalls and rid themselves of the burden of being a landlord collecting monthly rents (instead of fulfilling their social responsibility towards Singaporeans), and with the hawker stalls being priced at market rates.

The story ended with the two old ladies unable to service the loans taken to purchase the hawker stall, and they were made bankrupt, unable to sell their delicious 'wanton noodles', and being forced to live out their lives as dependents on the charity of others while living out their twilight years in a nursing home.

What CPF is there when each Singaporean reaches old age, and do you think that nursing homes are free ?

What money is there left to be saved, when the Government has taken the bulk of the money in CPF and Annual Income Tax, and the remaining amounts are sucked away in Electrical and Water charges that are provided by Government Owned "Private Companies". Then there are the charges that one has to pay for transportation - whether a privately owned car, or by public transport to earn our wages (and this is not tax deductible).

Any amount left from our wages will be used to pay for our HDB homes, as the bulk of the CPF will be written off when the Sales Price of the HDB unit is a few times more than the actual costs.

This is tantamount to rubbing salt into our wound, when the Government utilise our CPF monies for infrastructural development, and all we have is a CPF paper statement of the amount in the CPF.

While the Government has used our CPF funds to create the HDB estate at low costs, it will write off the loan taken from our CPF while still profiteering from the sale of the HDB unit.

All funds in our individual CPF account will not be sufficient to pay for the selling price of the basic HDB unit, and it will require at least another 10 years for the HDB unit to be paid from further deductions of our monthly CPF contributions, or top up further with Cash if the CPF amount is insufficient to cover the instalments.

For your reading pleasure, try to absorbing this - Fiscal Finagling in Singapore.

kecang_puteh SG

Originally posted by Atobe:
Karl Marx - the Father of Communism - had written that when a Government tax its Citizens more then 50% of its wages, it is actually robbing the Citizens.

On the surface, even as Singapore adopt a supposedly 'Progressive Tax Structure', the wages of Singaporeans are absorbed into the State Treasury through a plethora of tax collection methods in different guises.

CPF will remove 20 percent from the monthly wages of Singaporeans, which is used as cheap long term loan to fund the Government's infrastructural development, as well as cheap funds to grow revenues for the capital to set up the numerous GLC's.

Average Singaporeans will pay taxes of between 9 to 23 percent of our annual wages earned, and added to the amount deducted for "our" CPF Accounts, Singaporeans are already seeing a reduction of 29 to 43 percent of our wages.

The remaining 71 to 57 percent will also end up in the State Treasury for the payment of essential services that are exclusively provided by State Owned and Operated Companies - and prices for such services dictated to us.

Does it need good leadership to enforce such extortion on a population that is made to depend on THE ONE SOURCE ?

Even the Hong Kong gangsters were able to run a huge profitable black market for the illegal settlers living on the hillside, with services and an underground economy that rival that provided by the Hong Kong government.

Wow, I guess you are right. Singapore already has the highest income tax in the world at 0 to 20%. The rest of the world all have 0% income tax. Moreover, the CPF is also considered a tax, even though we can use them to buy houses and they have a high rate of return. Even though we will be able to draw them out when we are old, nominate them to our children when we pass on or make investments with them, they are definitely still considered to be taxes.

Also, the goods and service tax is completely out of line with economics theory. Just ask any economist, they will tell you it is a gimmick for the government to make money. Worse still, you are right to say that we should never be made to pay for any of the services that the government provide us. Why should we pay for anything? All our money should be used to buy the goods that we want.

kecang_puteh SG

That's right, all Singaporeans would rather prefer to spend 3 hours in traffic jams everyday to get to work in the CBD and another 3 hours to go back home. There are so many ways to reduce traffic in the city area without any costs to our society and yet the government wants to charge us money.

Even though we the pioneering country to implement an electronic fee collection system, our government must be able to foresee ALL problems beforehand. Yes, the government must be perfect in its implementation. We cannot allow a government that cannot tell the future to exist. Our government must be psychic.

I think you forgot to mention the COEs too. This is another money making gimmick. It should be abolished so that we can have ten million cars in Singapore and have a gridlock everyday. Then everybody can take the MRT. Yeah, down with the greedy government.

kecang_puteh SG

Originally posted by Atobe:

These public transportation corporations are set up with capital from Temasek, whose monies come from the Ministry of Finance.

Those who run the public transport corporations have been annointed by the POWER OF ONE.

During the Colonial Days, up to the late-1960s, Singapore Public Transport System was actually operated by Private Companies owned by Singaporean Citizen-Entrepreneurs. There was a tussle between these businessmen who requested approvals for fares to be increased, but the Government held back approvals and demanded that services be improved with more frequencies and investments in new vehicles. It turned out to be the proverbial 'Chicken and Egg' situation, and the Government hold out was due much to the fear of the Ruling Party that such essential services will enrich those few Singaporeans, many of whom have not given their political allegiance to a Political Party that was not yet the POWER OF ONE during the 1960s.

Now that every major public transport companies are all Government Owned or Linked, it seems that they are more liberal in approving fare increases then in the past.

SMRT Corporation is half owned by Temasek Holdings. But still, it should be made to lose money so that the rest of the public shareholders will pull out of their invesments in SMRT and it can collapse. Makes so much business sense.

Though Temasek Holdings has no stake in ComfortDelgro at all, it should also be made to bleed for the sake of the public so that it may collapse and we can all have no public buses.

Coquitlam SG

Precisely what I meant....it solves our own problems...best solution thus far...seriously when do you see the situation here improving...

Nothing against hoping for better but the minority of us would rather migrate and not waste our time here

kecang_puteh SG

You are right on again. We should not be made to pay for anything except the latest handphones and accessories. The CPF can definitely be considered a tax. In fact, the interest rate is so low it is ridiculous. It is a minimum of 2.5% instead of the 0.74% average in local banks. So I guess you will rather put your money in the local bank and earn 0.74%. Of course, you can invest them in stocks or bonds, but I'm sure if you could, you would draw them out and put them all in the banks.

airgrinder SG

yawn….

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