who r at fault n how to prevent this tragedy 2 happen again?

last SG · 2006-10-22T11:48:28+00:00

Originally posted by spinsugar: There are ways to prevent such tragedies from happening, but only if govt cooperates with its people. As far as I see it, th...

Rock^Star SG

Doesn't mean that if one studies, one has a bright future. Just look at diploma holders today in S'pore, most are stuggling to start a family. Laughing

sinicker SG

they dono how to do it?! Laughing

foomwee88 SG

Not only diploma holders only, a guy reported on the news recently with a master degree has to do a year contract work in NEA for S$5 per hour.

I really cant under the employment rate claimed by our learned gov!!!! I think their statistics doesnot reflect the true fact of unemployed ppls in Spore!!!

If u had been to the first world countries in the west,u will know education level is not important to be employed but a skill in hand will definitely help. In addition,handyman makes more $ than an Uni graduate!!!

Meilin86 SG

Yes. Agree. Their local construction worker are highly valued in own oversea countries especially in the West . They are considered it a career which they are proud to be,even though they don't have a degree. For Singaporean, I think almost all of us can hae at least a degree, just throw a stone on the street.

I suggest the poor should also have some rebates on public transportation. Surprised

Rock^Star SG

employment is high but i think......i think only hor.....govt forgot to mention that there are a lot of people whose jobs do not match their qualifications. Laughing

oxford mushroom SG

The one with a diploma is certainly better off than one without any qualifications.

How much you earn will obviously depend on the nature of your qualification, the demand in the market and the number of competitors you face. You must consider how much demand there is in the market for your particular skill and how many people possess that skill or can acquire it quickly.

If you have a general Arts degree from NUS and decide to work as a bank officer, you are at a disadvantage. Firstly, your skill is not specialized enough: the bank can just as well employ a Science graduate rather than you. If they need more specialized skills, they would look for an accountancy or finance grad. What do you have to offer that other grads do not? Secondly, there are many grads in the market who can compete with you for the bank job you can do. Thirdly, even if you get the job, it wouldn't be difficult to replace you with a cheaper, fresh Arts grad 10 years down the road. Of course, if you are good enough and able to distinguish yourself in the job, that's fine...just that you have to work that much harder to keep your job.

Tertiary education is a significant investment of both money and time. You have to go beyond personal interests and also consider the direction of the economy. With the IRs coming up, there will be a demand for people with experience and skills with running a casino. If I were 17 and considering a tertiary education, I might consider a course in hospitality management with a special emphasis on the gaming industry. (For example, here are some links: http://www.morrisville.edu/academics/Business/Gaming_Casino/student_stars.htm
http://www.easb.edu.sg/updated_pages/uwic_baihm_cm.html).

I would intern myself with various big casinos in Macau and Las Vegas. When the IRs come online, I would be well-placed to find a job there and it is well-known that casinos pay well. There will be few in Singapore who have the kind of specialized skill in casino management and whoever gets there first will have a better chance of landing the job.

foomwee88 SG

Over the holiday with frds, there r 3 suggestions which might help 2 prevent the similiar tragedy as follows:

1 To set up an assistance poor bank with all workling ppls invest in this bank to lend $ to the really poor with the lowest interest rates in Spore.

2. To set up a co-ordination body, any outstanding bills be it electrial/water and school fees for more than 6 months must send them to the said org to investigate into the reasons.

3. An org arranging staff to pay a visit to all the HDB units in spore find out each n every housedholds' finanacial situation on site inspection,following which reported the real poor to the relevant orgs.

Any other ideas!!!!

countdracula SG

the problem is the govt's perception of a welfare state....to be totally anti-welfarism is also wrong....we must understand and accept that there are people in desperate need....i wasn't aware of the cadc refusing to help part but i'm not surprised....the so-called assistance are always inadequate and conditional.....in the end it's more punitive than helpful....

the grossly uneven wealth distribution in sg is another worring trend where the elite have too much in excess.. take the sgx chairman, he got a 80% bonus or rise in proportion to the firm's profitability, but does every sgx employee enjoy 80% too? if sg can take billions of dollars in business risk through temasek and other vehicles, should't sg take the risk in its own people? the dead man's son apparently did reasonably ok in his studies so the hope of them moving out of the poverty trap is good.....until we temper economic well-being with compassion, 1st class society is still very distant....

IronBandit SG

Its not that the Govt don't care for the poor. They do in their own way, they set up all the small organisations to help them provide these small organisations with the little budget to pay the social workers to help these people.

Talking about job, the average monthly income of a person is about 4k-5k i think reported in the news... this is because there are people that earns like 5 to 6 figure digits both in Civil service and private sector. Then you add the people that earn 2-3 digits together and you divide the pie.... wouldn't it look good. " Now we come to our average singaporean salary... hmmm... from the looks of it the average man has at least 5k in their pocket every month, everyone looks fine and well, Next issue pls"

Trust me people Singapore is a great place to stay other that the housing is kinda expensive and propably you need to pay of with you whole life and maybe pass the loan to your next generation to pay of as well if you guys been to Hong Kong the situation there is pretty bad as well. A 3 room condo apartment rental will cost you about 5k SGD. The spacing is even smaller than the 5 room flat.

Blame who .... life and inflation don't blame the Govt. I think they are doing their small part in ensuring that the people get to survive somehow (just my assumption).

But i have exp. that the top people would never never know what is happening right to the last man in their chain. We expect them to but its quite impossible.

For example (just an exmple) the CDO case that the guardsman died I believe that the Chief CDO officer have no idea about the incident untill it happen. just like everywhere has manpower cut but right at the top people sees it as its still ok while the last man is shouting "help is needed" but their officers has a bowl to protect and would not sound out that they need help as they need that close 5 digit bowl to survive in the environment. If they did sound out it would be a problem and they would not want problems during their tour of duty. Problem without solution are always shelfed to somewhere and ignored and people tend to do that. Like they always s.hit always roll down the hill they never flow up. Laughing

I mean come on what more do you want the Govt to do for you. They gave you ERS, and what's the other one... they increase the GST to only 5% look at other country they have 16 -18 % count ourselves lucky. The resturant charges you 10% service charge and on top of that another 5 % GST. Look its still lower that 16-18%.

With that said I think we should always give the Govt to do what they must and do our own part to survive this country. Cause surviving is our natural instinct.

foomwee88 SG

Fully agreed!!

There is no perfect country!!!but put it that welfarism is not good as an first agenda just like hospital would be misused is the same kind of thinking!!!

Who want 2 get sick 2 be admiited 2 a hospital? It is a fun place??? just the same thought who doesnot want 2 be employed 2 q up 2 get a welfare $?? it is a shame to most of us!!!!that why we c all these old ppls they rather collected papers n tins from the bins n dont want u 2 help them ??? why????

Gov pls wake up yr bloody idea::: we rather die but we dont want 2 be insultedl

Pls remember we hve 200k ppls in overseas if u dont do to help the poors, we will do it ourself ,we hve bones!!!!

ShutterBug SG

Our gov in their 'own' ways they have set up these small organisations with 'small' budgets to help. But let me ask; how come they can blow away hundreds of millions (and even billions) of public money in ill managed overseas investments, but can't bring themselves to invest a few millions to help poor public members? Instead of helping the needies, they put them through a hell of an obstacle course.

Don't be naive, soon our GST charges will reach 16-18%!!

foomwee88 SG

Some of our relatives r in Hk,dont bluff us oh !!!we hve 200k sporeans all over the world!!we paid them visits in HK at least twice a yr!!!if you r unemployed n old,u r paid HK$2000 p.m/per person n there is no GST in HK 4 the time being!!!

I hope u dont think we r idiots n give us all this shti!!!

Pls provide us with some comstructive ideas instead of bull shtiing ard !!!

justcooler SG

To add on

With the money paid to the ex NKF boss, the organisation can help alot of this smaller charity organisation.

with $600K peanuts money, i can help 1000 families each getting $600

justcooler SG

Just wandering

The "progress package" that gov gives don't help. It is a big effort from the gov to share the surplus from running the country.

foomwee88 SG

May I know how much u paid 4 the GST,transportation cost n electricity n water bills per yr,the PP had oreli gone with yr urine into the WC. Laughing

foomwee88 SG

which of the above is/r workable in Spore???

Any comments???

storywolf SG

Who to blame ? Maybe the guy who jump in front of MRT should be blame.

Why ? He should have jump in front of the the Prime Ministor car outside paraliment , MRT too far for them to see. Must jump in front and died in front then Prime ministor and MPs can see.

justcooler SG

AGREE, so what else did the gov did to help ha ??? Rolling Eyes

foomwee88 SG

The priority of our sg gov is not to help but to prevent our poors to cheat them for $!!that why they alway say we must not let our citizens to misuse our hospitals as if we like to be sick n be admitted to the hospital where they think is a fanland!! .

This sg gov's mindset has 2 be changed otherwise pls dont claim we r a first world country.

Sg gov had sucked so much bloods from our ppls, it is time to show their mercy to really helping the poors instead of letting the CDC,RC n CC to play2.

IronBandit SG

For your information and the rest yes some of your relatives is in HK but where do they stay ? mine stays in HK top district and they are complaining as they are paying 5k plus SGD for their apartment but luckily its on their company's money and not theirs. The GST i was talking about is other countries like Canada Vancouver is at 15% and Alberta was at 12 % if i remember correctly last year i was visiting my relative and a two week trip cost me like 8k plus. I'm not saying that we should ask the Govt for help but do you know the concept of living ? if everyone like you say don't work and go on Govt grants like HK and Canada do you know how much tax you might need to pay? 40% to cover other people's expenses. Think about it for every 1k you make $400 goes to someone who sits on his/her ass and still gets part of your $400.

If you are ok with that start practicing that on your next pay check I'll like to see how generous you are as you seem to be so quick with words.

I think you not as idiots and giving you all the rest of the people crap, you have your opinion I don't go around saying that your ideas and view are Bull crap?

Have a little respect for other people's view as you only have relative inHK I have relative in HK, Taiwan and Canada as well so if you are less travelled I think everyone would appreciate you keeping you language to yourself and keeping your hands to yourself and stop typing.

Last but not least I'm writing this way cause you have no respect for me that's y I have none for you as well.

If you are so constructive don't just put them here, write to the PM or your minister and get things done don't talk air, you are called Bull crap with "constrcutive ideas" that don't work and doesn't have any value.

Bull Craper

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