Israel Attacks Lebanon

last SG · 2006-07-28T14:52:01+00:00

Everyone is claiming victory at the end of the 34 days war. Mr Bush said Hezbollah suffered a defeat with a straight face. Pointed finger at Iran for supplyi...

reyes SG

israel should continue this war against hezbolla. israel cant eliminate hezbolla totally but at least try to weaken its military capabiity and most impt hold the UN to pressure hezbolla military supply source syria and IRAN.

googoomuck SG

The Lebanese govt's response to UN resolution 1559 is the cause of the current conflict.
The Syrians and Lebanese are using Shebaa Farms as an excuse for not disarming Hezbollah and accuse Israel of still occupying Lebanon.
Shebaa Farms was taken with the Golan Heights during the six-day war,1967.
Fast forward to the present. Out of the blue, Lebanon become interested in this strip of land. Syria, which has claimed it as her territory and even once repelled the Lebanese military from taking the land suddenly declared that it was presented as a gift to Lebanon some time during the fifties.
The firing of rockets into Israeli territories has been going on and off before
the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers and the killing of another eight more gave Israel a reason to retaliate.
What if Israel is willing to give up Shebaa Farms? There's still other villages in dispute close to the blue line. How about a small abandoned village, Nkhaile?
An immediate ceasefire will only let the situation simmer until it explode again.
Must defang Hezbollah now.

SilverPal SG

This is a classic example of "reasonable person's intepretation".

When a person talks, a listener will take and understand the words spoken in the context of the topic being discussed, unless the statement or words used are very ambiguous and the listener cannot possibly understand the meaning of the speaker.

For example, when chatting about computer networks and how computers communicate, one would understand that a "handshake" is not a social gesture that people indulge in when meeting for the first time. Also, IP would not mean Intellectual Property.

When I tell you that I'm talking on my phone while walking down orchard road, you would not ask me how come my home phone can stretch so far as to enter orchard. And when I said home phone, I mean land line. A mobile phone placed at home is not considered a home phone.

Similarly, the popular usage of calling the COUNTRY of America has many forms. The COUNTRY America can be called "the US" (not them and us, but U.S.), "America" (the COUNTRY not the continent), "The United States (in this paragraph I am talking about the one in the continent of America), "USA" (do I really have to keep explaining everytime?), "US of A (you are seriously delusional if you can take this one out of context).

When you asked how many united states there are, after so many pages of discussion regarding THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and one of her allies, you have taken the discussion out of context.

When Armstrong landed on the moon, he said "... and giant step for mankind..." Is that statement sexist? What about womankind?

When you talk about the PDMMs or about PRCs, then you question about which china am I refering to, that would mean you either are not following the conversation or you really have a medical problem preventing you from understanding simple things.

When I say Korea, it really depends on what we were discussing that warranted the mention of korea. In 1 conversation, I could be talking about S. Korea, in another conversation I could be talking about N. Korea. Now do I have to explain what is the "S" and "N" that I just put before Korea? After all, it could stand for anything.

SilverPal SG

I think those in Hezbollah are thinking that they must defang Israel now. I really don't know who is in the right or who is in the wrong, but each is not strong enough to defang the other, that would result in a long drawn out war.

ctstalin SG

erm...interesting, so how many United States are there in America? Laughing

Atobe SG

Map of the United States of America

A detailed information of each state can be studied at this referenced site from 50States.

Shall we head back to where the action is - in Lebanon,
Middle-east,
on the eastern shores of the Mediternean Sea,
or the western shores of the Asian Continent ?

ctstalin SG

i know there are a lot of states in the United States of America.
so how many United States are there in America?

SilverPal SG

Originally posted by ctstalin:
i know there are a lot of states in the United States of America.
so how many [b]United States are there in America?[/b]

There are 50 states in the United States of America.

There is 1 United States of America.

There are 2 continents called America, North American continent and South American continent.

There are 2 Koreas, north and south.

There are 2 countries claiming to be China, Mainland China (Peoples' Republic of China) and Taiwan (Republic of China).

Atobe SG

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas +4
California, Colorado, Connecticut +3
Delaware, District of Columbia +2
Florida +1
Georgia +1
Hawaii +1
Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa +4
Kansas, Kentucky +2
Louisiana +1
Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota,
Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, +8

Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, +8
Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon +3
Pennsylvania +1
Rhode Island +1
South Carolina, South Dakota +2
Tennessee, Texas +2
Utah +1
Vermont, Virginia +2
Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming +4

All of the above total 51 states to make one UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

SilverPal SG

Originally posted by Atobe:

All of the above total 51 states to make one [b]UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
[/b]

My bad. 51 states.

ctstalin SG

ok... after analysing the posts made by me and dounut about the number of United States IN America Rolling Eyes

i came to the following conclusions:
1. there are 51 STATES in the United States of America
2. the is only 1 United States IN America
3. all the claims made by dounut about there are MORE THAN 1 United States IN America are bullsh!t, cos he can't differentiate STATES from UNITED STATES
4. dounut is nuts

Laughing

SBS9611D SG

It seems like Hizbollah, even though they are losing the ground war, are winning the media war. Rolling Eyes

MobyDog SG

Originally posted by ctstalin:

ok... after analysing the posts made by me and dounut about the number of United States IN America

i came to the following conclusions:
1. there are [b]51 STATES in the United States of America
2. the is only 1 United States IN America
3. all the claims made by dounut about there are MORE THAN 1 United States IN America are bullsh!t, cos he can't differentiate STATES from UNITED STATES
4. dounut is nuts

Laughing [/b]

Wait.. you mean Iraq and Afghanistan don't count meh... US give them up already .. ahhh ?

MobyDog SG

Given the Israel military might.. of course Hizbollah will loss the ground war.. but will they loose the war ?

They seemed winning the media war is because Israel over done themselves. There are more Lebanese civilian dead then Israel, but there are more Israeli soldiers dead then Hezbollah... go figure...

SilverPal SG

Originally posted by ctstalin:
ok... after analysing the posts made by me and dounut about the number of United States IN America

i came to the following conclusions:
1. there are [b]51 STATES in the United States of America
2. the is only 1 United States IN America
3. all the claims made by dounut about there are MORE THAN 1 United States IN America are bullsh!t, cos he can't differentiate STATES from UNITED STATES
4. dounut is nuts
Laughing

He's just trying to confuse you to prove his point, although by the time we reach this conclusion, we've already lost the point he is trying to make.

Unless he knows of another United States in South America that we do not know about, and for some unfantomable reason, they decided to use the same name as their northern neighbour.

ctstalin SG

Laughing there are 51 states of the United States of America in America, but there are many other states outside america such as iraq, afghanistan, japan, s.korea blah blah blah

Miamidot SG

As off topic as this has gone, Hmm ... I have always thought that were 50 states in this great country, with Guam, Puerto Rico and couple others as territorial appendages and political protectorates (Egypt being one of them and Libya vying to be another).

Any way, it would be great to start a caucus to unify Mexico with the great USA - the United States of North America. It makes sense - Mexicans are literally dying to stream into the United States. American industry needs Mexicans. We might condescend if Canada wants to join too, provided they start stopping those alqaeda people into their country. Any Americans in this forum want to join my caucus?

Otherwise, I still think there are only 50 states.

We have to make sure that the unification is by referendum, otherwise "poor" nationalist Mexicans might start strapping bombs to their bodies and committing acts of tourism (errr ... I mean terrorism) in Houston and Los Angeles. Actually the US has already confiscated Utah(indirectly by Mormon expansionism) , California, New Mexico (Was Nevada part of that too?). Compare with SBC buying up its former parent AT&T and then renaming themselves AT&T.

How about Russia having pushed its eastern frontier during the time of the czars? And China annexation of Tibet? And Australia's, until late 1960's, policy of whites-only Australia. What about the great Goldern Mongolian Horde unleashed upon Baghdad? How about the Visigoth and Ostrogoths being displaced as consequence of Chinese conquest forcing them into Europe?

How about the 800,000 Jews expelled from Iran, Iraq as well as some Arab countries - which would never let descendents of exiled Jews return to those villages.

4 million Palestinians? Did Golda Meir not say there is not a "Palestine" at all? Palestine was like Iraq and Congo ... consequence of reckless British colonial policy. Jews were to blame to - for bringing in immigrant Arab labour when the Rothschild Foundation started purchasing lands from Turkish landlords.

But Israel is Is real (pun intended). During Passover, Jews say, "Next Year in Jerusalem" for hundreds, if not thousand +, years. "By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat and wept".

"Palestine", except for five cities/towns was desolate, and deserted. The Arabs were not interested in populating them. They were fighting their brothers the Turks. It's like you had a big cousin who robbed away your toy and keeps it but would not play with it until you started to play with it and he gets jealous.

Why would the Bedouin Arabs side with the Jews during the 1930's? At least the northern Israeli Bedouin (while the southern Bedouins respected not even their Arab neighbours). These Beduoins today serve proudly in the Israel Defence Force. They liken themselves to American Natives of the land guiding the Jews to settle. The real "Palestinians" are the Bedouins, who roamed "Palestine" outbacks with their sheep and cattle (and today their beaten-up toyota pickups and plastic tents).

Is a that tiny piece of unwanted land too much for the eye-sight of Arabs and Muslim to bear? Muslims and Arab territory stretch from Africa to Turkey to China to India and to Saudi Arabia.

Is Israel's reaction too swift and too agressive? Recall the six day war? Egypt, Syria, Jordan and other Arab entities were intent on wiping out Israel. Did not Rabin offer huge concessions to Arafat? Since Arafat rejected it (as a way to keep him in power - he even refused to die in "Palestine" but in France! Or did he die in Italy?), they will not get that offer today. Because Jews remember Masada, Jews remember the Crusades and Inquisition and the Nazi. And the foresight of the institution of Passover more than 2500 years ago continues to remind Jews the responsibility towards themselves to avoid extinction.

It is easy for Christians to say, "what are you Jews fighting for?" Their crusades and Inquisition were responsible for killing countless Jews as well as murdering millions of their own. It is easy for Buddhists to say the same - they never had the prospect of being extincted throughout the course of history. Again and again. Why don't certain Singaporeans just forget about Mandarin and Tamil and use only Malay? There is an instinct for a culture to live on.

Miamidot SG

Originally posted by Miamidot:The real "Palestinians" are the Bedouins, who roamed "Palestine" outbacks with their sheep and cattle (and today their beaten-up toyota pickups and plastic tents).

Should have been ...
The real "Palestinians" are the Bedouins, who roamed "Palestine" outbacks with their sheep and goats.

I have not noticed any cattle among them.

Miamidot SG

Have you forgotten the desolate situation Singapore was after expulsion from Malaysia? Was Lee Kuan Yew not weeping as he announced the news? Then thereafter the British decided to pull their forces out of Singapore because they believed they could save billions (of Sing$ or US$ ?) annually. Do you still remember the incursion of Sukarno's forces on the shores of Singapore intent on destroying both Malaysia and Singapore?

Have you forgotten that Israel came to aid Singapore in time of need and helped Singapore set up military infrastructure? Have you forgotten?? Have you forgotten the close technical cooperation Israel has with Singapore??

Atobe SG

Originally posted by Miamidot:
Should have been ...
The real "Palestinians" are the Bedouins, who roamed "Palestine" outbacks with their sheep and goats.

I have not noticed any cattle among them.

The 'Bedouins' are 'desert nomads', and roam the desert from the Atlantic Coast to Sinai, from the northern coast of Africa to Arabian Peninsula - they are not urban dwellers and prefer to live in the wide open spaces.

The 'Bedouins' are divided into at least sixteen different tribes, with each tribe living in different desert regions, and have no feelings for the political borders that define the modern states of Africa and the Arabian peninsula.

Most present day Political States allow these 'desert sailors' to continue unrestricted their traditional ways of sailing through the desert, moving from place to place in their traditional way of life.

The area known as 'Palestine' exist since the Biblical days and include the general territory that include the present day political entities of Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria.

The term 'Palestinian' is the present day term that identify those of Arab stock - who have lived for generation in this area - but are of different tribal origins from those main tribes that form the modern states in this region.

This tribe - who are termed 'Palestinians' - are guests in Jordan, Syria, Egypt and other modern political states of Africa and the Arabian Peninsula.

This tribe - known as the Palestinians - has been displaced from their ancestorial grounds by modern day politics imposed on the region by colonial rulers; and with their ancestorial grounds being on the same soil of present day Israel, Lebanon, and Jordan; and which was shared with the Jews since the Biblical Days.

The Colonial Governments of the past century have left behind some legacies that were neatly packaged with lasting benefits; while some have left behind untidy legacies that continue to sow agony and pain to all who are unfortunate to live within this tortured territory.

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