80 PDMMs gather at Chinese Embassy

ndmmxiaomayi SG

Sometimes, it pays to read the NE messages printed in school handbooks.

"No one owes Singapore a living."

Since they don't owe, they can leave any time they wish and not to stay here to complain.

Besides, it's not that they can't get a job in Singapore, technically they aren't even allowed in Singapore without the proper papers. Under the law, they would be illegal immigrants. Singapore has already made allowance to let them stay here and have jobs, and still complain?

On a sidenote, there could be other reasons why the police is not called in. Quite a lot of embassies are located near the Chinese Embassy. If the riot police is called in, it would alarm them, thinking that something is wrong. It would affect us badly if news got out. Knowing how journalists could actually make a mountain out of a molehill, the government would know better than risking it. World Bank and IMF meeting is coming, we don't need bad publicity now. If the organizers decide to pull out at the last minute, we are at the losing end.

equlus84 SG

I was really wondering, there are many contract jobs and temp jobs out there, like data entry, clerk and admin personnel. These jobs are not those hard mannual labour, but gd air-con ones. The problem is why PDMMS dun want to take them up? Why choose those massage jobs. I was quite shock when I watch the Channel U talk show on PDMMS, a PDMM actually claimed that she never noe massage jobs are "linked with sleaze" or it is illegal for her to work, she even claim most of her PDMM clicks are doing decent jobs "no one is doing illegal stuff"!!.Funny hor!! She say until machiam like Singaporeans are deliberately picking on them and discriminating them!
From my impression, many Chinese are coming to Singapore hoping to study/work and eventually settling down here. Is Singapore govt sending the wrong message that Singapore is a place easy to get PR?

Medicated Oil SG

Firstly, the PDMM was cheated into believing that they can find easy employment in Singapore.

Their agents most probably cheated them of their money when they bring them over and ditched them.

As for proper job, they are not english educated so they cannot do any desk job effectively and most of them are not as educated as the Singaporeans.

As for the sleaze trade, the police did not effectively clamped down on the massage parlour as they have not broken any law.

The massage parlour offers easy money in which they can put to very good use when they exchanged into the china currency.

They did not intend to settle down in Singapore as they just making use of the free education offered by the policy makers here as a stepping board.

gentlerock SG

Guys,

Take it easy lah. PDMMs are also humans with the same human wants as any of us: money, companionship, sex, love, power, etc.

I can understand our protectiveness and disgust at how they approach these objectives sometimes.....but in the end, we're all just being human.

If we take a step back and review the whole situation, I think there are bigger, more fundamental issues to address (instead of PDMMs).

zzzdidi SG

Do anyone know the followings:

(1) who or which group of people arranged such a scheme which i understand this is an one and only one type of education system in the world?

(2) Why the authority had not taken any action since more than 5 years ago,everyone including my son at 18 years old in S'pore knows about this matter?

(3) I paid a visit to Tanjong Pagar Plaza last year ,my son and I were suprised 2 c so many Massage centres on the 2nd storey of TPP, all of them are chinese nationals offer us f *** services, we then quickly left and think what is happening in S'pore. Which Authority issued them such licences to operate the business?

(4)When I returned from China this year after I had closed my business there and now landed in S'pore without any job,can i go to S'pore embassy in China to protest , I think in where I would be put into jail at once,Why then we tolerate this group of people who are FT and let them demand this and that when we S'porean are umemployed.

LazerLordz SG

I would like to know more, especially with regards to #1.

Something is not right, most of us can't place it, but it's a gut feeling that we know.

ndmmxiaomayi SG

1, 2) Don't quite get what you are trying to say. Can put it in another way?

3) What kind of services? If you are talking about massage, there's no need to register until now, when the rules and regulations changed.

4) Again, don't quite get what you are to say. Can explain?

adven7 SG

30+ Mamas protested outside China embassy and non of them brought to the station for questioning. In contrast, Mr. Brown highlighted the plight of Singaporean was rebutted and sack from TODAY. The White Elephant case, the whole police force launch into massive investigation to find the culprit. Same for the CPF case. This is indeed sad, Singaporean fighting the people are marginalised but Foreigner is free to criticise and free to go.

will4 SG

Originally posted by fudgester:
Talk about double standards, eh?

We have four people protesting outside the CPF building - no illegal assembly laws are broken here - and the riot police gets called in.

Here we have eighty protestors outside the Chinese embassy - a clear infringement of illegal assembly laws - and the authorities are content to sit back and shake their legs.

And no, we do not owe those PDMMs a living. If you want to grant them jobs, then I say grant jobs to unemployed Singaporeans as well. If you want to come here to make a living, then I say you should do it the old-fashioned way - through hard, and more importantly, [b]honest labour.[/b]

Those four local but imagine if riot squad came n drag all the rioters in front of the Chinese emabssy personnel, imagined the consequences. Neutral

LazerLordz SG

Well, conclusions are clear. We cannot afford the political fallout from doing so to the PRC chaps, but apparently Singaporeans are cheaper. Laughing

fudgester SG

Ah, I see.

We have to suck up to foreigners when it comes to applying our own laws. Rolling Eyes

LazerLordz SG

And since using undue force is seen to be too much, the question remains over the 4 CPF silent protestors.

fudgester SG

Simple, actually.

The PDMMs are protesting over their livelihood. Not exactly important to Singapore, Inc.

On the other hand, the CPF protestors are protesting over something far more closer to home.

The same goes for the 30 Mr Brown protestors who are being investigated for nothing much more than wearing brown and standing around in an MRT station.

It's not so much about the fact that they are protesting, but what they're protesting over. What if I were to gather my forty classmates in class T-shirts in an MRT station to give a silent protest over how a fellow classmate's dad is treating him?

I bet dollars to donuts that no one's gonna give a damn. Rolling Eyes

LazerLordz SG

And what's wrong with protesting in a peaceful manner? Protest = a show of displeasure or disagreement.

The illegal assembly rule is archaic. We have adequate laws that guard against wilful destruction and rioting. Rolling Eyes

fudgester SG

The problem with the illegal assembly rule is that it is highly subjective and open to interpretation. If any gathering of five or more people is to be deemed illegal, applying the rule rigidly, then I'd say that a live football match would be a gross violation of the rule.

So it all boils down to how they want to apply the rule. They may close an eye to certain gatherings while cracking down on others as they see fit. When you have a rule that's open to interpretation, you have a rule that's open to potential abuse.

The sensible thing would to be scrap the rule, but then again, I don't suppose the relevant parties would want to scrap the rule considering how it can be used to silence dissent and suppress opposition. Rolling Eyes

ShutterBug SG

Why come here? Go to USA lah!

So much more space there!

claudetnt SG

Its very sad that many children of Singaporeans married to foreigners are not allowed to study here in Singapore schools.

And, at the same token the authorities are allowing these children from chinese prostitutes to study here, it seems obvious that there is one law
for PRC and another for Singaporeans residents!

Lowclassman SG

You are right!!!

If the protesters were to be singaporeans.....the ministry will treat as a very, very, very and extreme serious threat to the govt. The govt may activate whole singapore amry and special force on alert; maybe Air-striker Mr. Green

This is in deed, the 1st world govt.......

ShutterBug SG

Well it's mighty obvious our gov is very much in favor of China nationals.

Sucking up to them just because China has a super large economy.

It's MONEY they want. Anyone with a large pie, they'll angkat (carry).

TooFree SG

I certainly do not view the law of illegal assembly as archaic or open to misinterpretation.

People often took security for granted deeming that it is a violation of human rights. How many more chance must we give to the terrorist to wake us up from our ideas? How many more innocent citizens' blood must we shed to finally see the strength of the terrorism organisation? Having said that I only mean that citizens' security should take precedent over their rights. Can we be sure that a peaceful demostration is perform by an authentic group of activists or supporters? Have it for once occur to you that the group can be a cell of the terrorism organisation conducting survelliance or hatching a strike on key installation.

Before someone point out to me that the silence protestors are indeed Mr Brown's supporters, then certainly in this case the police had done a splendid job by tolerance and applying the softer side of law. Law is never rigid but compassionate. Law being 'open to abuse' is an abstract and hilarious assumption in my opinion. Neutral

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