Death Penalty Appeal

last SG · 2005-10-26T11:18:18+00:00

oh my god......still talking about this hanging stufff......get over it.......its centuries ago......look at the hanging of the pure aussie guy in malaysia l...

sabaisabai SG

I see. The people who have killed her son (which will cast her into misery for the rest of her life) care that she might get upset through contact. That's rich.

Rexdriver SG

poot dee maak

LazerLordz SG

and was he the fellow involved in the German lady, Rau's mistaken identity case that caused her to be detained wrongfully?

Chin Eng SG

can't answer this... you might want to check with a friend who studied psychology and ask him about the potential reaction of such a contact.

sabaisabai SG

The reason there isn't a large drug problem in Singapore is the personal penalty for drug use: strong sentences in rehabilitation/prisons, the difficulty of finding work after going to prison, and the lack of social security to support a non-productive lifestyle if you get yourself in a mess. Playing with drugs in Singapore is a serious risk to your whole way of living. People know that, and it works.

Gedanken SG

Rexdriver's got a point there. A number of factors contribute to reducing the drug problem, not just the death penalty.

IMHO there's no problem with the death penalty per se, but the mandatory aspect of the sentencing is something that needs to be revised. In this particular case, the drugs were not headed for Singapore, and that raises a fair question of the proportion of the punishment to the crime. It would be fair to keep the death penalty, but with a system that is flexible enough to accommodate the circumstances and that not resort to a default stance of guilt before innocence is proven.

Chin Eng SG

Analysts said short-term relations between the countries would be strained because of the execution but said Singapore would not likely budge on its mandatory death sentence for crimes such as murder, firearms offences and drug trafficking.

"Singapore is a small, affluent society next door to one of the world's biggest suppliers of drugs -- the golden triangle. I think Singapore would have been a very different place if it was not tough on it," said political analyst Seah Chiang Nee.

Source ; http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051202/wl_nm/crime_singapore_australia_dc;_ylt=AhnPoJAmM0oyoA3RRAqis0r9xg8F;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NTMzazIyBHNlYwMxNjk2
The mandatory death sentence is NOT solely for drug related cases, but for murder and firearms offences.

I think we can all agree that instances of murder and firearms offences (eg armed robbery) is also remarkably less than our neighbours.

...but of course, it is also entirely possible that it is because of our good education system, our responsible social etiquette, our civic mindedness, and our superb culture that had resulted in a relatively crime free country.

Gedanken SG

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Mr. Green

iveco SG

Glad to see that there are some clear heads prevailing amid all the jingoism that has been on the rise. Smile

Gedanken SG

Difficult to say given the available information. She might find closure or it may push her over the edge.

iveco SG

Originally posted by Chin Eng:
Analysts said short-term relations between the countries would be strained because of the execution but said Singapore would not likely budge on [b]its mandatory death sentence for crimes such as murder, firearms offences and drug trafficking.

"Singapore is a small, affluent society next door to one of the world's biggest suppliers of drugs -- the golden triangle. I think Singapore would have been a very different place if it was not tough on it," said political analyst Seah Chiang Nee.

Source ; http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051202/wl_nm/crime_singapore_australia_dc;_ylt=AhnPoJAmM0oyoA3RRAqis0r9xg8F;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NTMzazIyBHNlYwMxNjk2
The mandatory death sentence is NOT solely for drug related cases, but for murder and firearms offences.

I think we can all agree that instances of murder and firearms offences (eg armed robbery) is also remarkably less than our neighbours.

...but of course, it is also entirely possible that it is because of our good education system, our responsible social etiquette, our civic mindedness, and our superb culture that had resulted in a relatively crime free country.[/b]

Singaporeans civic-minded? Long way to go.

Rexdriver SG

Yes, thanks for putting it much better than I did. There are social constructs embedded within our system that heavily penalises or discourages drug addiction. That is a far better deterrent than the death penalty could ever prove to be. Cut the demand and there won't be a supply.

Rexdriver SG

I'm not saying that the death penalty does not have deterrent effect. If we impose the death penalty for littering tomorrow, I'm pretty sure our streets will be squeaky clean. But is that the only way or the best way? And where is our sense of proportionality?

By the way, my view is that the death penalty for murder, unlike drug trafficking, is retributive rather than deterrent. So there are different considerations in that regard.

Parka SG

I've said it before in another thread and I guess I'll repeat it here.

The law works in the principle of "an eye for an eye". Purely as that.
For people who break the law, it's the knowledge that counts. The knowledge that the law is there to tell them not to. Hence the choice is up to the defendant. Simple as that.

Gedanken SG

Hmm - "an eye for an eye"? So if a doctor causes death through negligence, the courts should just treat him carelessly?

If it was as simple as that, there would be absolutely no use for jurisprudence.

Rexdriver SG

How is what you said based on the principle of an eye for an eye?

Anyway, it is not as simple as you put it. The law is not immutable, and every law must have a moral platform to stand on. Nazi law, for example, is not good law.

Parka SG

Looking at your response, I would say you know nothing on how the law works or the principles of law.

Read up a few law books, it will protect you, and your rights.

lionnoisy SG

However in Queensland, Opposition and independent MPs walked out of Parliament today to avoid taking part in a minute's silence for Nguyen.

The State Government had called on the Parliament to make the gesture, to demonstrate opposition to capital punishment.

Non-government MPs said they were also against the death penalty but said a minute's silence was not appropriate.

Independent Maryborough MP Chris Foley said he could not support the motion

"I am opposed to the death penalty and I feel desperately sorry for the family, in particular the mother of Van Nguyen," he said.

"However I believe that it is an insult to war heroes of Australia to afford a convicted drug dealer the same one minute's silence."

2.What kind a world nowadays?One minute's silence for a drugs trafficker
who is a co-murders ,though slowly,of many peoples?

3.The fact,if so,that he has been converted to a Catholic does not help.
How about he has been converted to other religion,say Muslim?
Will there so many Australian support him?
I am not respectful to him for conversion to any religion.
But the young Australian lady who pretended to be Muslim
is just a hot story.Therefore,very sorry,this 'false conversion'
cannot be ruled out.

4.I read today 02.12.2005 Strait Times forum that his
twin brother was a drug addict.
Can any one comment on this with proof.
If this is the case,he was too much.He should have seen
the pains caused by drug and he still went for it.

5.
Why his twin brother owes so much money----drugs,gambling?

Have Aussie medias help to cover that his twin brother
is a grug addict?

lionnoisy SG

US carries out 1000th prisoner execution on December 2, 2005,the same day of Nguyen.

Convicted killer Kenneth Lee Boyd became the 1000th prisoner executed in the United States since the reinstatement of capital punishment.

His death by lethal injection in a North Carolina prison came almost exactly nine hours after Australian drug smuggler Nguyen Tuong Van was hanged at dawn in Singapore's Changi prison.

Boyd was strapped to a gurney and injected with a fatal mix of three drugs.

A Vietnam war veteran with a history of alcohol abuse, Boyd was sentenced to death for the murder in 1988 of his wife and father-in-law in front of two of his children.

His execution drew world attention because of the milestone it represented since the US Supreme Court allowed the death penalty to be brought back in 1976 after a nine-year unofficial moratorium.

Thirty-eight of the 50 US states and the federal government permit capital punishment and only China, Iran and Vietnam held more executions in 2004 than the United States, according to rights group Amnesty International.

2.Lets see will Aussie leaders or people 'influence'US,teaching the
democracy factory in the world stop death penalty?

Gedanken SG

Okay, how does what you've written reflect your knowledge of the law?

You said it's a case of an eye for an eye, and I've said you've oversimplified things. Am I wrong?

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