Parents--will ur kids become part of Aussie drugs problems

lionnoisy SG

Hi All Mods

The alarming facts : Australian secondary students use of over-the-counter
and illicit substances in 2002

I think it worth to discuss the drugs problems in Aussie
for too may parents send their kids there.
I am not asking them not to do so.Just hope they get a full
picture and decide.

Pl let them have some info and decide.Pl read secondart students drugs problems below.

If any one studied there,pl give your true and unbiased info and stated
where , when,and what are u doing there.

2. Mods,will u reconsider sending ur kids there after u read this .

ALMOST half of all Australians aged under 25 have used illicit drugs and view their use as acceptable.

Although possession or use of most illicit drugs could result in a jail sentence, research shows more than six million people of all ages were undeterred.

Almost half of them took illicit drugs other than marijuana and 2.5 million in total had used illicit drugs of some kind in the past year.

One in three Australians have tried marijuana at least once.

Only 20 million people in Aussie. 5 times of Sg.

3.Aussie
government drugs reports

by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare (AIHW):

2004 National Drug Strategy Household Survey: Detailed Findings

Statistics on Drug Use in Australia 2004

4.Tell your friends and relatives their kids are studing there
or they going to send their kids there this message.

DUNT TELL them what to do.Let them decide.
u just tell them,full stop.They may scold u.
Just do u think is right.U have done ur part.

5.The alarming facts : Australian secondary students use of over-the-counter
and illicit substances in 2002.Report prepared for:
Drug Strategy Branch
Australian Government Department
of Health and Ageing
Report prepared by: March 2004.Centre for Behavioural Research in Cancer
Cancer Control Research Institute
The Cancer Council Victoria.

Frequency in % of abuses
Substances Never Ever Year Month Week
analgesics....4.9.......95.1....92.0.....69.7.....40.6
Tranquillisers83.8.... 16.2.... 9.4..... 4.1....... 2.4
Cannabis......75.0..... 25.0... 20.7... 11.4..... 6.6
Inhalants......79.5..... 20.5 ...14.9 ...9.3........ 5.8
Hallucinogens95.6..... 4.4 ....3.1....... 1.6....... 1.0
Amphetamines93.4..... 6.6....5.0...... 2.6........1.5
Cocaine...........96.9......3.1 ...2.2..... 1.3.........0.8

2.8 Definitions of frequency of drug use
Students were asked how many times they had used a particular drug within specified time periods. For each substance we report the prevalence of use within the time periods asked about (past week, past month, past year and lifetime) for all students and males and females in each age
group between 12 and 17 years.
The categories of use reported are:

Never: Those who had never used the substance.
Ever: Those who indicated any use of the substance,
either in their lifetime, the past month, or past week (ever use).

Year: Those who had used the substance within the past year.
Month: Those who had used the substance within the
four weeks prior to completing the survey.
Week: Those who had used the substance within
the seven days prior to completing the survey.

These categories are not mutually exclusive but rather
overlap so that a student who reported having used a
substance in the past week was included.

2.7 Definitions of substances
The drug categories used in this report were identical
to the categories used in the questionnaire and follow
the descriptions and examples provided to students, as follows:
Amphetamines: Amphetamines or speed, uppers, MDA, Ritalin, Dex,
Dexamphetamine, ox blood other than for medical reasons.

Cocaine: Cocaine or crack.
Ecstasy: Ecstasy or XTC, E, MDMA, Ecci, X.

Hallucinogens: LSD, acid, trips, Magic Mushrooms, Datura, Angels Trumpet.

Inhalants: Deliberately sniffed (inhaled) from spray cans or sniffed things
like glue, paint, petrol or thinners in order to get high or for the
way it makes you feel.

Cannabis: Marijuana, grass, hash, cannabis, dope, weed, mull, pot or a joint.

Opiates: Heroin, smack, horse, skag, or other opiates (narcotics) such
as methadone, morphine or pethidine other than for medical
reasons.

Analgesics: Painkillers/analgesics such as Disprin, Panadol or Aspro.

Tranquillisers: Sleeping tablets, tranquillisers or sedatives such as Rohies,
Rohypnol, Barbs, Valium or Serepax, for non-medical
reasons.

Steroids: Steroids, muscle or roids without a doctors prescription
to make you better at sport, to increase muscle size or
to improve your general appearance.

pl read my post on 29.11.2005

greengoblin SG

Mod no one to make me pregnant....so how to have kids... manicure nails....

pikamaster SG

Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Hi All Mods

I think it worth to discuss the drugs problems in Aussie
for too may parents send their kids there.
I am not asking them not to do so.Just hope they get a full
picture and decide.

Pl let them have some info and decide.

If any one studied there,pl give your true and unbiased info and stated
where , when,and what are u doing there.

2. Mods,will u reconsider sending ur kids there after u read this .

Only 20 million people in Aussie. 5 times of Sg.

3.[b]Aussie
government drugs reports

by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare (AIHW):

2004 National Drug Strategy Household Survey: Detailed Findings

Statistics on Drug Use in Australia 2004

4.Tell your friends and relatives their kids are studing there
or they going to send their kids there this message.

DUNT TELL them what to do.Let them decide.
u just tell them,full stop.They may scold u.
Just do u think is right.U have done ur part.[/b]

I wonder ... what are the statistics in Singapore? Are we any better?

oxford mushroom SG

Read http://www.sana.org.sg/news2002.htm

Definitely better....the army is a good time to pick up drug addicts among the men and although we will never know the size of the invisible problem, we have a fairly good idea from the army boy cohort. Those who are caught are sent to detention barracks, of course, and I know their cells are not full yet.

lionnoisy SG

It is much better in Spore,thanks to the mandatory death penalty

The results speaks volume for death penalty:Spore arrest

Year.. Total no. of drugs ......First time abusers
............abusers..arrested........arrested
1993....5857................................1293

2003....1785..................................714

2.u can said this may be the tip of iceberg.Well u may be right.
But how about millions in Aussie as quoted above by Aussie media and
official report.

3.Even with such harsh law,fr time to time u can learn fr media
drugs were found in Spore.I wonder what would happen
if we send a warn singal to local and foreign drugs traffickers.

Dunt allow lenient punishment for drugs found which is
for foerign destination .We would have more agruments in court.
Desides,it is Spore
international oligations to address drugs problems.

The man who was death SG

Using drugs before isn’t really a problem, abusing and being addicted to it then is a problem, how many actually are abusing and being addicted to drugs??

Dr Who SG

many people 'abuse' cigatettes.......how many will admit that they are cigarette addicts?

If they are true to themselves, they must admit that most, if not all smokers will not be able to quit without terrific will power...........ie......they are addicted to nicotine, physically and psychologically...........

What about drugs?.....1000x worse than cigarettes......

The man who was death SG

It is harder to get drugs than cigarette , some drugs like party drugs are definitely not more worse than cigarettes.

lionnoisy SG

we have to praise Victorian
government to use 9 languages ,beside English,to inform
drugs problems

Shall Sg take a cue from them??

lionnoisy SG

My God! Over 90% of Australian secondary school students' have used over-the-counter and illicit substances in 2002.Do u think it will
be better or worse now?

What is the chance of seconadry students involved in drugs--
Australian secondary school students' use of over-the-counter and illicit substances in 2002 by the Centre for Behavioural Research in Cancer at The Cancer Council Victoria for the Australian Government Department of Health and Ageing 2004.

This Monograph describes the results of the third national survey on the use of over-the-counter and illicit substances by Australian secondary school students. The survey was conducted in 2002 in each State and Territory. This report is based on data collected from 23,417 male and female students aged 12-17 years surveyed in 363 schools.

This report is in very detailed into every age.

Table 2: Analgesics: Percentage of students according to recency of analgesics use by aged 12-17 years
Period.....,,,Never...Ever...Year...Month...Week
in %.............. 5.........95......92.......70........41

Regularity of use: Of the students who had used analgesics in the past year, 54% of females and 44% of males had used analgesics 10 or more times in the previous year. Only 16% of males and 11% of females had used analgesics once or twice in this time period and this was inversely related to age, decreasing from 18% among males and females aged 12 to 13% of males aged 15 and 7% of females aged 1516.

Among male students who had used analgesics in the past week, 73% of males had used them only once or twice, while 18% had used them 35 times in the previous week. Among females who had used analgesics in the past week, 69% had used them once or twice and 21% had used them 35 times.

2.COCAINE

Table 16: Cocaine: Percentage of students aged 1217 according
to recency of cocaine use by age and gender

Period... Never.......Ever..... Year..... Month..... Week
Total (%).. 96.9..... 3.1.......2.2....... 1.3.......... 0.8
Male (%) ...96.3.....3.7...... 2.8 ........1.7........ 1.2
Female(%)97.5.. ....2.5 .....1.7..........0.9..........0.5

Your secondary school kid has a chance of 2% to use cocaine.
The situation of not so serious drugs also very bad.

Table 8: Inhalants: Percentage of students according to recency of inhalant use by age
Period.......Never.... Ever.... Year.... Month... Week
in %...........79.5....... 20.5 ....14.9 .....9.3.......5.8

There are much more other drugs.

Sg Parents,is it the time u do some home works before u want
send your kids to Down Under??

I would rather send my kid to poly in Sg rather than U in Aussie.
Die Die must not go lah.

Want to know more,The National Drug Strategy can help u

sgdiehard SG

Among the friends and relatives, those who went down under to study are those who couldn't make it into the singapore higher institutes of learning, then there are those who have relatives already there (they will most likely migrate there after their studies), then come those who are good but cannot get to study the courses they want in singapore, too expensive to go to the states, too far to go to the UK.

Those who can study in local U will save their money and go down under for holidays.

When you go to australia, or send your children there, you have to realise it is a diff society altogether. Singaporean generally do well but many Indonesian chinese ended up spending lots of money, got into trouble and went back indonesia with or w/o the papers, but they don't need that to run their parents business anyway.

lionnoisy SG

The alarming facts : Australian secondary students use of over-the-counter
and illicit substances in 2002.Report prepared for:
Drug Strategy Branch
Australian Government Department
of Health and Ageing
Report prepared by: March 2004.Centre for Behavioural Research in Cancer
Cancer Control Research Institute
The Cancer Council Victoria.

Table 16----Ages 12--17
Frequency in % of abuses
Substances.. Never.. Ever...Year....Month...Week
analgesics....4.9.......95.1....92.0.....69.7.....40.6
Tranquillisers83.8.... 16.2.... 9.4..... 4.1....... 2.4
Cannabis......75.0..... 25.0... 20.7... 11.4..... 6.6
Inhalants......79.5..... 20.5 ...14.9 ...9.3........ 5.8
Hallucinogens95.6..... 4.4 ....3.1....... 1.6....... 1.0
Amphetamines93.4..... 6.6....5.0...... 2.6........1.5
Cocaine.......96.9......3.1 ...2.2..... 1.3.........0.8

Only 3% of all students had ever used cocaine and the proportions across age groups ranged from 2% to 4%. Three-quarters of the students who had ever used cocaine reported using this substance in the past year. Around 1% of students had used cocaine in the month and week preceding the survey. Examining each age group, use in the past month was between 1% and 2%.

Ok .Your kids get 3% chance to puff cocaine in Secondary school---
in Aussie.

pl read my amened opening post for more info.

sbst275 SG

Today ST has those Aussie press forums... Many are worried abt their children Confused

ndmmxiaomayi SG

Originally posted by lionnoisy:
[b]It is much better in Spore,thanks to the mandatory death penalty

2.u can said this may be the tip of iceberg.Well u may be right.
But how about millions in Aussie as quoted above by Aussie media and
official report.

3.Even with such harsh law,fr time to time u can learn fr media
drugs were found in Spore.I wonder what would happen
if we send a warn singal to local and foreign drugs traffickers.

Dunt allow lenient punishment for drugs found which is
for foerign destination .We would have more agruments in court.
Desides,it is Spore
international oligations to address drugs problems.[/b]

We can't say for sure. Firstly, Australia has a bigger population than us. When the number of addicts per population is converted to percentage, their percentage may be smaller than us.

For example, we have 2700 drug addicts. Converted to percentage will be 0.0675%.

Australia has 4700 drug addicts. Converted to percentage will be 0.0235%.

On the surface, Australia seems to have more drug addicts than us. However, if we are to do total number of drug addicts/population * 100%, we will see that our rates are higher than Australia.

Secondly, harsh sentence does not deter drug addicts. We already say that they are addicts, meaning they need the drugs. Besides, the more drugs a trafficker trafficks, the more money he can get. It is lucrative. It may send a warning, but it only cures the symptoms, not the illness.

lionnoisy SG

2.How did u get the figures of 4700?Pl read the opening thread and postings in this thread:

------quote:ALMOST half of all Australians aged under 25 have used illicit drugs and view their use as acceptable.

Although possession or use of most illicit drugs could result in a jail sentence, research shows more than six million people of all ages were undeterred.

Almost half of them took illicit drugs other than marijuana and 2.5 million in total had used illicit drugs of some kind in the past year.

------Over 90% of Australian secondary school students' have used over-the-counter and illicit substances in 2002.Do u think it will
be better or worse now?

3.U says the Aussie drugs problems is better than Sg?
Are u kidding?All my info from their own findings.

Harsh penalty is not a good way,but the best way.Any better way?
Give any successful story?Tell us here.

In other countries,many people-----drugs dealers,police,politicians,
lawyers----all have a cut in this biz.
It is a dream u expect them to deal with the problem seriously.

4.Never mind Aussie.Look after our back yard----protect
our kids.Do not follow Aussie foot step---
1 heroin addict in a class of 40 secondary students,on average.

lionnoisy SG

Australia has one of the highest rates of illegal substance abuse in the
world, according to University of Queensland alcohol and drug research and
education centre director Jake Najman.
He said that despite the publicity given to recent arrests of Australians
overseas, those cases accounted for a 'minuscule' percentage of the people
involved in the drug chain.
A National Drug Strategy report not only found that huge numbers of
Australians used drugs, but also that it was easy to get them despite police
efforts.

STimes 03.12.2005

2.

Of these (under covered )operations 83 per cent targeted criminal activities associated with the supply, possession, cultivation or manufacture of prohibited drugs.

dragg SG

let the aussies decide their own fate. nothing to do with us anyway.

lionnoisy SG

This Aussie association aims to reform drug laws and give drug users a say when new laws are being drafted and supported financially by the NSW Health Department.

Use of amphetamines grew ten fold between 1996 and 2002What a country?I cant believe!

Why I spent time on Aussie drugs problems?Many Sg kids are already there and many are on the way going there to study or migration.Have u seen there are many migration consultants around,putting up so many adv?
I want Sg parents get some info and decide.

1.
NSW encourage using drugs illicitly?

If not why

the NSW Health Department provided $1,076,000 last financial year. Who was the minister responsible? Morris Iemma. Now the Premier.
The tone which permeates everything the association says on its site is that shooting heroin is cool.

2.Look at ''Advancing the rights, health and dignity of people who use drugs illicitly, especially those who inject drugs''They say:

Our emphasis is always on promoting and defending the health, dignity, wellbeing and rights of injecting and other illicit drug users.

NUAA strives to work closely with both government and non-government organisations to reform drug laws and give drug users a say when new laws are being drafted.Our policies, submissions and media releases tackle issues from the use of drug sniffer dogs to changes to Federal laws that make it lawful to discriminate against drug use

They also teach you how to use drugs safely.They say:

Funded primarily by the NSW Health Department, NUAA provides education, practical support, information and advocacy to users of illicit drugs, their friends, and allies.

As a user group weve tried to utilize all the expertise out there, starting with drug users and other user groups, as well as researchers and clinicians.

2.With so many drugs users in Aussie,whether hard or soft drugs,A Drug addicted MP is not long before he/she sit in parliment.

3.
The outbreak(latest wave of amphetamines, known to users as "crystal" or "ice") has created serious problems for hospital emergency rooms as well as doctors, who are often faced with young people who become aggressive, agitated or psychotic after overuse, or depressed during withdrawal.

In Australia, national data indicate the supply and use of amphetamines grew ten fold between 1996 and 2002

Babs SG

The most problematic problem among Australian children is alcohol abuse. A drug forced down the throat of many Australians in the past on duty free shopping trips to Singapore. Don't preach when in a money grab you have had legallised pushing youselves. A pusher is a pusher, not matter if it is legal or not. A drug that has just about destroyed aboriginal race. Singapore has pushed it. Free drinks all round to to try and extract dollars from tourists.

Heroin in Australia, a drug a young man was murderded for having in Singapore, is believed by many to be the result of giving refugees from Asia a home here. Many argue that before Asian immigration here heroin was unheard of. This is actually supported by fact. Chinese crime syndicates and Vietnamese gangs have always over represented in the crime of drug smuggling into Australia.

Those who call Singapore barbaric in this case do not refer to the people otherwise they would not mind that a young Vietnamese man was being executed. They refer to the government. By all accounts, the information for Singaporean people to make an informed decision of their own is denied them.

The people who call Singapore barbaric for this murder are in shock because in general they respected Singapore. A tiny nation that seems to have punched way above it's weight. They may have heard that Singapore had the death penalty but we never heard too much about it so it not mar our respect for that nation.

Indonesia and Malaysia we expected this but now we are learning that both those country's application of the death penalty is in fact far more humane with fairer trials, assessment periods and subject to degrees of guilt rather than the mandatory death penalty so harshly and without discretion applied in Singapore. I guess we thought Singapore was a cut above but now see it may just have been a clever marketing campaign to go down in history along with "Singapore Girls".

Drugs are a problem everywhere. You can get more information about the problem here in Australia purely because that information is available. We are transparent. We do not hide facts.

Just remember please, that the ones that spoke out against the death penalty probably had a great respect for Singapore. They felt a greater connection than there actually is it seems. They probably thought you were the same as us.

The ones that approved felt no respect for Asia in general because they see it as the guilty party as a whole for drug importation into Australia, they think Asia it up to it's knees in drugs and really do not care if you kill one another if it means Asia stop bringing it here. Like the US has South America we have asia.

So please don't use this brainwashed nonsense about how we are up to our knees in drugs unless you understand that the same Australians that supported the death penalty think it is ok because you are up to your knees in drugs.

And the more you kill each other over it the better off we will be.

I really grieve over this young mans death. No-one really had the moral authority to kill him.

ShutterBug SG

What people's children become or get into, is just a matter of how well disciplined and parented they are.

period...