Parents--will ur kids become part of Aussie drugs problems

LazerLordz SG

A well-written piece from Down Under that does not degenerate into jingoism.Well, some of us can understand and see beyond the media spin, however, to the man in the street, be it Australian or Singaporean, they only see it as verbal fisticuffs and name-calling, which to them, is pretty insulting.

sgdiehard SG

alcoholism does not kill, and alcohol is legal. Not all drugs kill, bringing along 100 kg of panadol does not make you a trafficker, but highly addictive drugs that kill are illegal, more than 15 gm means death. If you can't tell the diff, no more discussion needed. Stay downunder.

the young man was not "murdered", he was executed after two years of fair trial, with full knowledge of everybody. He deserved it because he broke THE law. With or without facts, blame the problem on asian immigrants as you like, but to singaporean, we do not look the race, vietnamese or white oz, he is an australian. We cannot join you in passing racist remarks.

you can call singaporean barbaric as most singaporeans approve the death penalty, for drug traffickers. We are fully aware of what's happen to Nguyen and we are well informed.

We are known as a little red dot, and its about time you recognise that not everybody think the way you do. We don't blame you, you are not asian.

I sure hope that the suspects involved in the bali bombing, killing 88 australians, will receive fairer trials and more humane treatment.

We are fully aware of the problem too, the difference is that we are taking actions to reduce it, death penalty is the ultimate deterence. What are you Ozs doing about it? have compassion on the traffickers??

Its about time you realise that we are not the same. When the australian j_lu86 wrote in, we saw how singaporeans, retentionists, abolitionists or whatever, were quick to dissociate from him. We are not the same. We don't want drugs here.

We don't take a brush and generalize, we are clear who are the guilty parties. bear in mind, it was an australia who was carrying the drugs, not any other nationalities.

brainwashed? believe it or not, if another australian get caught again in singapore, he will be hanged, let it be in yr brain if it has not been damaged by drugs.

that is a racist remarks. Evil or Very Mad

I thought it is better off for you that he was killed? crocodile tears? Evil or Very Mad

Babs SG

sgdiehard

Read what I have written again. I did not approve the drug penalty. However I write about the views of those who did. Their attitude is exactly the same to the original thread authors, except who has the problem in their eyes is not Australia, it is Asia. Some Asians may see drug abuse as a problem in Australia but some Australians sees Asia as the pusher, the supplier and Australian asians as the bridge. For Singapore to have the death penalty underlines to them the problem in the region and it's association to it.

I do NOT agree in either case. Both depend on stereotypical images.

As I read in here a warning not to go to Australia or your children may become drug users, the same mentality in Australians who don't want Asians to come here because they may lead our children to being drug pushers.

Another reason why I detest the death penalty, it brings out the worst in a country and lets it rise to the surface for all to see. And I see that this happened in both countries.

Typhoon SG

Well fark me, I've never realised how Singapore was the only source of alcohol for Aussie school kids!!! Why any Australian (or indeed any foreigner) would willingly consume our vaunted Tiger Piss is frankly beyond me, but I suppose we must accept this as the gospel truth, since you say so.

Nor did I know that we force Aussie tourists to consume alcohol in Singapore!!! Judging by the quantites I've seen most Australians chug down, the revenues our country earns from alcohol must be spectacular!!! And here I was thinking that those guys were doing a good and proper job stoning themselves down at Boat Quay without our government's interference. Guess I was wrong. Could you provide more info on the compulsory drinking of Singaporean alcohol forced onto visiting Australians? Something called 'evidence' could greatly help in a process known as 'substantiation', which could help greatly improve the credibility of this statement. It could really really help!!! Thanks!!! Mr. Green

Wah lau!!! You mean that alcohol is illegal in Australia??? 80 This is a revelation!!!

Hmmmm... it is sad indeed what has happened to the poor Abos. Too often while in Sydney I have seen groups of tipsy Aboriginal men wandering in the streets, engaging in loud and raunchy banter with passers-by and parked cars. Curiously enough, did you know that the Abos did not know about the delightful stuff until some two hundred years ago? :!

Surprise Surprise!!! Alcohol coincidentially showed up in Australia at the exact same time that Europeans settled the continent!!! I bet none of you knew this little fact, eh? Mr. Green

And you know you like it!!! Mr. Green

What are you implying? That Asians brought drugs came to Australia? Nothing new there mate. Europeans brought alchohol, tobacco, small pox, and lots of other pleasant surprises. Now you have heroin and your society seems to have adapted quite well to it. Where's the fuss?? Live and let live mate, as you lot are fond of saying. Laughing

Misinformed? Simi misinformed? Neutral

http://www2.mha.gov.sg/mha/detailed.jsp?artid=1539&type=4&root=0&parent=0&cat=0&mode=arc

Read and weep!!! Mr. Green

If you'd ask me, I'd rather not have the respect of a nation which gives the same honours to its war heroes and convicted criminals. Wink

LLIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL!!!!!! Laughing

Guess you must have been sleeping while your press screamed about the corrupt Indonesian courts and the lack of due process for poor poor Schapelle Corby...

Seems that Aussieland by self-ordained anointment is the only place where you can get a fair trial, eh? Mr. Green

Oh yah... the Indons buckled under the pressure of a unending multitude of screeching Aussie media harpies... I don't blame them, I would have done anything to shut you people up.

Unfortunately for you, everybody in Singapore knows that our dear govt is DEAF.......

You twits actually bought it??? HAHAHAHAHA Mr. Green

And we do?

"ROUGE CHINESE PORT CITY" Mr. Green

Thank heavens, we are not. Rolling Eyes

Well, then, where was the outcry from you Aussies over the thousands hanged in Asia for drug related offences? Curious how the death penalty becomes an issue in Australia when an Aussie gets it... Very Happy A tempting case for further study, don't you agree?

Last time I checked, the city where you could buy heroin off the street in broad daylight was MELBOURNE, not SINGAPORE.

And thus, the truth intention is revealed... Wink

I'll stop here because even though a criminal, Nyugen has my respect. One of the few Aussies to have earned this distinction.

(In case you are wondering, you're not on the list. Mr. Green )

sgdiehard SG

Babs,

I fully agree illegal drugs is a serious problem in Asia, especially South East Asia, your immediate neighbors. We are aware and have to resort to using death penalty as the ultimate deterrence. Mandatory is necessary so that nobody should attempt to bribe the judges or the police.

Australia is now very cosmopolitan with ppl from all over the world migrating there for a better life, they bring along with them the goods the bad and the ugly.
But when outsiders look at Australia, we do not differentiate the whites, the Asians or the African. Even among the Asians there are Chinese from china, HK Vietnamese, Korean and even Japanese, same like whites from eastern and southern Europe. Its diff for us to tell the diff. When we send our kids to Australia, we cannot tell them to mix around only with the Singaporean immigrants, the whites .. If drugs abuse is a problem in Australia, it is the Australian problem. Those who want to study there ought to be warned.

Our views on drugs abuses are very diff. Asians drugs abusers are usually schools dropouts, and no so well educated, but in Australia, drugs is an acceptable stress relief for even the well educated. Dont measure the problem using the same yardsticks.

Nobody likes death penalty, but if there is a strong medicine for a grave illness, we take it if we have to, even it does not show well about our countries. DP is by itself a tool, it wont harm nobody by itself.

If we both agree that drug abuses, trafficking are problems, then we should be talking about how we can help each other in solving or reducing the problem, and respect our respective ways. have compassion on those addicted and punish the pushers, there should be no diff in the skin color or the nationalities.

Typhoon SG

I must respectfully disagree here. While j_lu86's post was universally offensive, at least he was forthright, raised several valid points and made no bones over the main reason for Aussie opposition- namely, that we were hanging one of theirs. and thusly the same laws did not apply for them.

Babs' drivel, on the other hand, is nothing but a patronising, thinly veiled crock of sh1t packed to the brim with racist undertones and 'facts'(if you can call his unsupported insuniations that) seemingly culled from his arse.

Babs SG

Sgdiehard

Thank you for your considered response. I appreciate it.

I guess a global world will never really work out but it will be better at least if we say at least "we agree to disgaree".

Cheers.

sbst275 SG

Well, many Australians will never understand these drug abuse prob

lionnoisy SG

Singapore Drug abuse arrests hit yet another record low in 2005Tuesday February 14,2006.

Tough law,incl hanging are not pleasant.But the overall result we have
less drug abuses.

In fact, fewer drug abusers were arrested in a continuing downward trend which saw 2005 hit another record low.

793 were nabbed, down by 17 percent.

The number of new drug abusers arrested was also lower, down by 25 percent to 453.

Like in 2003 and 2004, most of the arrests (79%) in 2005 involved synthetic drugs.

Hanging is not perfect.Is there any better options.

will4 SG

Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Among the friends and relatives, those who went down under to study are those who couldn't make it into the singapore higher institutes of learning, then there are those who have relatives already there (they will most likely migrate there after their studies), then come those who are good but cannot get to study the courses they want in singapore, too expensive to go to the states, too far to go to the UK.

Those who can study in local U will save their money and go down under for holidays.

[b]When you go to australia, or send your children there, you have to realise it is a diff society altogether. Singaporean generally do well but many Indonesian chinese ended up spending lots of money, got into trouble and went back indonesia with or w/o the papers, but they don't need that to run their parents business anyway.[/b]

What kind of trouble these Chinese Indonesian get into?

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