Modern Day Nazism in Singapore

last SG · 2005-09-10T18:51:11+00:00

I mostly agree with what sgdiehard has said so far. Anyway that's the reality of things. Non payment of works done is, IMO, a very common practice, especial...

Cindyfeh SG

Looks like sgdiehard is fighting a 1 vs 2 battle here.

Perhaps sgdiehard can enlist the help of musakazim to help?

iveco SG

I wonder what does Lazerlords have to say on this issue. He seems like one of the few who can hold out against Sgdiehard.

SnowFlag SG

Well....HDB has a reputation of withholding payment to the contractors. That is why so many contractors cannot made it Cool

loosefuse SG

the fact that the news came from a local TV network, instead of a foreign network just give the local story greater credibility, doesn't it? How does it tarnish the image of foreign network?? need to protect CNN and BBC?

I totally cannot agree with this man. The Singapore media is ranked 130++ in the world and you think it has greater credibility than popular international media like CNN or BBC? Rolling Eyes

You gotta know the difference between PROFESSIONAL foreign media and foreign TABLOIDS. The TABLOIDS are the ones that speculate a lot. PROFESSIONAL foreign media like CNN and BBC would never put their credibility and reputation on the line by releasing inaccurate news deliberately.

I assume you rely too much on local news, and thats why you only get information on what they want you to hear? Laughing

sgdiehard SG

Me thinking like MM Lee? don't know whether to be happy or mad with this kind of comment. I discuss issues based on my understanding on the subject matter. I don't speak for or against pap or oppositions. there is no party stand here. I think I said it before, i am on my side, and if this is not your side, too bad. tell me something I don't know and need to learn if you have a point.

indeed, to compare you with the elites in singapore is scandalous. Let me rephrase, from your post here, you are no different from many in singapore, including those from young PAP, who are detached from the reality of life!!! have you ever spoken to any foreign workers or their employers, have you any friends who are contractors employing foreign workers, have you ever visited one of those foreign workers quarters and do you have anything to say looking at both sides of the stories on this workers employers relationship??? talking about one sided.

it is sad if you do belong to any opposition parties, they need people with substance and materials to speak for them, not just people standing next to them. the oppositions in singapore are building up their reputation and credibility, look at the mirror first before you think you are one of them.

sgdiehard SG

what battle?? Profounder showed his unhappiness at my comments, lotus999 reminded me that "stupid" is not an appropriate work to use. Who are the 2 I am fighting against?? cindyfeh and iveco? have you posted anything on the subject matters worthy of being my "opponents" in a "battle"?

BTW, who is musakazim, don't think i've seen many of his post here.

many people exchanged different opinions with me lately. the latest was on gays with earthing73 and [email protected] and we just stopped exchanges by agreeing on "to each his own". I think we are all happy with that, no win or lose.

I agreed with Lazerlords on the need to restrain chinese nationalists sentiments, especially among singaporean and those new immigrants, but I disagreed strongly with him when he proposed to buy weapons and join the US against china in the big boys game in Asia. Lazerlords is very knowledgable in military matters, hardwares and tactics but I questioned his military strategies. We have finally agreed that if we can't agree, we are entitled to our own opinion. Lazerlords is different from you guys, for he never resort to names callings, and for that I respect.

I have not seen any posts by iveco worthy of my reply. As for Cindyfeh, he is totally disillusioned with singapore, wanting to migrate but not successful so far, he has no pride in singapore or as a singaporean and before he takes on a new national identity, I hope he manages to retain some pride for himself as a man, or a woman, and his intellegence level will be decided if he would post something worthy of a second look. meantime, good luck to him in searching for a country who will take him.

sgdiehard SG

Foreign news media like CNN and BBC looks at issue from the views of foreigners, CNN is definitely american!!! Their credibility is as good as what they see and understand. Even the americans are now watching other news when they travel for a balance view.

As for local news, how many of us here truely trust the local news media???? The plight of some poor foreign workers here not getting their pay, or got their remittances back home cheated certainly do not reflect well on singapore. Is this kind of news some "information on what they want you to hear? Laughing " who are the they??

So what if singapore media is ranked no 1 in the world, would you trust them more?? info just released singapore is no 2 most free economy in the world, after hong kong, you can feel better??

Don't stray too far. do you believe that the plight as depicted in the news true or not?? I do, just do not agree that "modern day nazism" is the right term to describe it.

loosefuse SG

Of course I'd trust the singapore media more if they were ranked No. 1 in the world. It then proves that their news are credible and reliable.

It's funny how some people trust the credibility of the "good news" but not the bad ones. These are exactly the people who will go "I'm in the highest ranked school in Singapore" but then refuses to believe an objective independent ranking that places our local media as the 130th in the world. Why? Double standards? Or simply living in denial?

CNN is American? So what? It's a good thing they are a foreign entity.. that makes their views INDEPENDENT. You don't get someone related to the defendant or prosecution to be the judge in court.. you get an INDEPENDENT party to be the judge. Why? To bring out the truth. The same goes for our media. It is miles more believable when we have an external party judging us rather than self-justification. It brings out the truth. But I totally understand that the light of the truth can be so blinding, it can be too much to take for those who have been hiding in the dark for too long..

Like it or not, our media is being watched by media watchdogs out there in the real world. Like it or not, they reveal the truth about your beloved CNA network. And like it or not, your beloved local media just got placed 130th in the worldwide media rankings.. Awwwwwwww... that's so....... sad?

Let me repeat myself. Maybe with a little more heart this time.
Our local media is ranked 130th in the world!!!

Their credibility is as good as what they see or understand? That's good - that's being objective. They report exactly what they see - that's telling the truth.. unless you don't value the truth?

I am not doubting the credibility of their reports on these foreign workers. I don't have an issue with that. What I have an issue, and cannot comprehend is, how you tell everyone that our local media can be trusted over and above internationally acclaimed media powerhouses like CNN and BBC. The statistics speaks for itself. To trust them or to trust some lowly 130th placed media? Your guess is as good as mine.

lwflee SG

I would say the one who does hard physical labour for 10 hours every day, and who dines on white rice and gravy would be weaker than the well-fed Thug.

iveco SG

Hey Sgdiehard. I am just concerned that your comments sound a bit too right-wing at times. Don't take it to heart.

Peace. Very Happy

Lowclassman SG

That is why our government invested so......heavily in defence and employ so....many policemen, grukkas and grabbed so...many businesses to get many many people to work for them. So when come to voting in election, which gov or gov linked companies' employees would dare to vote against the gov. Mad

Lowclassman SG

Originally posted by Profounder:
Watched this programme on Ch U last night called "Scoop Ê®·ÖÍ·Ìõ".

Last night's feature was on the plight of foreign workers stranded in Singapore as a result of the unscrupulousness of local[b] SINGAPOREAN contractors who withhold or fail to pay these poor souls their already meagre salaries.

The programme interviewed this Blangadeshi worker who is now staying at a safe haven run by a volunteer to help foreign workers like him. Wah, I almost cried when I watched him.

According to him, his pay has been withheld for several months and as a result, he can't pay his agent in Bangladesh the couple of thousand dollars he owes as an introducer fee. I heard this high agency fee is partly the result of the high charges imposed by MOM, no doubt to feed the fat pay packages of their Minister and Perm Secs.

His voice breaking and wiping away tears, the Bangladeshi told the interviewer that the agent had been sending thugs to threaten his wife who stays alone. He said he doesn't dare to complain to MOM because he feared that his employer would cancel his work permit and repatriate him without paynig him anything. This is the result of a stupid MOM ruling that says that the employer has the right to cancel the work permit anytime without providing reasons. And guess what? They can do this just by simple clicking of the mouse on the internet!!!!!

Here comes the even more interesting part.

Another worker interviewed said that sometimes, these unscrupulous contractors would hire a few thugs and go to their quarters in the middle of the night and round them up and send them to the airport.

When I heard this, I was amazed!! What is this?? Modern day Nazism in Singapore condone by the Government???? Are you telling me that the MOM is not aware of the problem??? Or maybe MOM has a scale rating for foreign workers and rank these people as "dirt" not worth protecting while they kowtow and pander to those so-called angmoh "foreign talents"?????

I want to ask the Perm Sec of MOM and every SIngaporean who thinks he has a conscience: HOW DO YOU FEEL, LIVING IN YOUR SWANKY CONDO WITH ITS BEAUTIFUL SWIMMING POOL AND GYM, WHILE THESE POOR FOREIGN WORKERS WHO TOIL AND SWEAT FACE SUCH INJUSTICES??

I'm trying to find out more about the safe haven run by the volunteer and then go and donate some money or maybe buy some staples for these workers.

Those who really bother to get out of their armchair in this forum, you can call the programme on Channel U also to find out more. Their no. is 65352679.

This was dirt that created opportunities for contractors in making tonnes of money by employing foreign workers. In dirty practices, the contractors engaged foreign workers agent to arrange workers for other countries. Hence, the the foreigner workers have to pay a hefty sum of money inorder to get to singapore for a job. The sum of money paid by the workers were usually shared between the main contractors and the agents.
This was happened at many job sites that in fact the main contractors sold the man year to many sub-contractors or assisted by the agent to sell it to other contractors, where the foreign workers were meant for that particular project were not working there.
That why, between 1993 to 1998 many job sites were caught with many workers working with no work permt. Many main contractors' big bosses pocket with tonnes of unaccounted sum of money!

I had this experience which the fcuking boss made tonnes of money from the man year and instructed me to appointed general workers to be the security guards of the job site; and when the job site (about S$80 million dollars project) was caught with illegal workers. The fcukung u grad boss with master degree still putting blame on me for not taking care of the job site's security properly and turned the other way round and put to me that I connived with sub-contractors to plant illegal workers into the job site.

I just cannot believe that this fcuking super educated bastard boss with high profile could do such inhumane, disgusting, shameful things to me in court.

I remembered that at one time, this inhumane boss said to me that ; hey! you must learn to push away blames or mistakes by twisting and turn it round to become other people's fault.

I thought to myself why was this high proifle boss like that. I tendered two times of my resignation and the last resignation (three month notice) before two months of my last day of service with company. I fcuk him and he verbally terminated me and one year after, I was compensated by the company for breaching of our employment obligation .

What a shameful boss~!~!~!~! Mad

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sgdiehard SG

Peace, Very Happy no hard feeling. Just don't like Nazi!! Let me know when I'm going extreme.

thanks

sgdiehard SG

can I have website of this independent ranking that places our local media as the 130th in the world? before? thanks

timothytsgsg SG

Aye, I agree.

Cindyfeh SG

musakazim was that guy who started the "a tribute to ...." thread in chit chat.

I didn't say anything about your intelligence level but instead you advised me about mine. I hope you don't charge too much for providing that advise, is 1 cents good enough? Or you prefer Rupiah? I still have some around.

You like Singapore so much, you can stay here all you want. I don't like it here, so I choose to leave. Whether I am successful in migrating, its my fate. Thank you for your concern.

By the way, what has my personal pride got to do with pride for the country? Interesting logic you have here.

loosefuse SG

I apologise as I cannot recall where I saw that piece of news, but I am very sure I saw that our local media was being ranked 130th or worse in the world. I hope you can just give me the benefit of the doubt this time. Razz

vito_corleone SG

the japs and commies killed far more people than the nazis..you mean you like them ? Laughing

iveco SG

Japs and Nazis were allies. The number of people killed by both parties can be combined.

However, Post-war Germany made restitution for its sins. Japan didn't. That's why transport operators should shun Japanese buses and trucks and opt for MAN ones from Germany instead.

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