We are NOT Chinese....We are Peranakan

last SG · 2005-05-24T16:35:48+00:00

Dr Who, it seems that it's the way you put forward this idea or"knowledge" of yours have gotten you negative responses. You seem to be assuming that ALL Sing...

LazerLordz SG

So?Does it matter if we have this book or not?Who are they to decide on our own substance and culture?Can a people who piss on streets attempt to look pathetically "elite" over a people whom are streets ahead?

vito_corleone SG

why give a crap about an inherited prestige when you can carve out one for yourself? and FYI 99.99999999999999999999999999% of the chinese come from non-aristocratic lineage..and speaking of which..arent the philliponos more barbaric and "low class"? china has a great wall while phillipines has grass huts and phillipino maids Laughing

sgdiehard SG

Philippino ethnic chinese control over 60% of their economy and their press labelled them "low-caste"??? If this is true, then it is indeed the "people who piss on streets attempt to look pathetically "elite" over a people whom are streets ahead."

Most Chinese may have left china a poor man but many succeeded one way or another in south east asia. That is the reason why ethnic chinese minority remain significant players in the economies of most, if not all south east asian countries today. Most chinese would go back to china to get marred then returned here. They din marry the "low caste locals."

If you don't have the book and you think you are peranakan, so be it, but don say your ancestors are poor chinese married to "low caste locals". You insult your ancestors and all peranakans.

If you don't know your ancestor, or don't follow the family middle name, ask your parents, only they can tell. don't make sweeping statement here about chinese or peranakan. What you have said so far do not honor your ancestors.

Are you sure your ancestors are farmers from China, not a japanese soldier taking a chinese name, married a "low caste locals" to avoid trial after WW2?

Dr Who SG

I am willing to face the fact that most of us are not 'pure Chinese', me included. i note many here just cannot accept it. They claim to be pure-breed. If one were to search for the truth, eg can provide evidence that all 8 of your grand parents came direct from China......otherwise, give truth a chance.

If we were to accept the fact that we have Malay blood, then we will learn to treat the minorities in our midst with more respect.......afterall, we also are part-malay.....

All I am asking is that people don't accept but test for the truth. Thank you.

LazerLordz SG

So pray tell what the hell is this family middle name thing?

E.g Liang Hao, Liang Joo..is the middle name Liang, and siblings sharing this same name?

Dr Who SG

Sorry: 8 great-grand parents..........

Quinsy SG

Whatever.

Dr Who SG

If you follow chunese traditional way of names, then we must all follow the middle name specified in our Family Book (Jia -Pu)

For example: For one branch of the Lum family, the middle names should be : Fook, followed by Toong, then Kuan.......Everyone in 1st generation is Lum Fook xxxx, everyone in second generation is Lum Toong......

By looking at the middle name, you know where you fit in the Lum clan.

the Middle name is printed in the family Book as a Poetic Verse......

Some families can trace their ancestors like this through many generations, some until Confucious, or some other famous guy....

I am afraid we singaporeans have 'lost" the 'family books'.....

Dr Who SG

By looking at your surname, you can guess where you cme from

For example : LIU, or Lau
This surname if from the Han Dynasty royal family

Example 2 : LIN or Lim
This surname probably stated that the ancestors came from the forest.....no offence meant.

Example 3 : Hwang or Wong
This surname originated from the Chiang Hsia district. It was confered to a clan which helped the king in his battles in the Chou Dynasty. Sort of a battle medal......

Gun SG

hey Mr Who,

1st you started out trying to distinguish the difference between local Straits Chinese from a "Chinese". Next you claimed early Chinese immigrants interbreed with "low caste locals". I am assumed "locals" u meant general ethnic stock Malays ?

Yet you still have not reply to my simple question: Are you a f u c k i ng neo-Nazi Pig Head ?

Gun SG

Originally posted by Dr Who:
If you follow chunese traditional way of names, then we must all follow the middle name specified in our Family Book

Character of a person and his intelligence is not measured thru his blood line nor family name origin.

Your concept of race and culture runs a similar pattern like those of racist groups who despised other kinds and love making assumptions ön the "low caste" breed.

I strongly urge you to seek immediate treatment on your mental disorder.

Gun SG

Why apologise ? Instead, Your "great-grand parents", and even your immediate ones, should feel sorry for hving such an off-spring like you.

YaoRockets SG

completely BS. I never heard anything like that from any mainland chinese (me included).

my impression is the opposite. few still want to be chinese in s'pore, most are bananas who know little chinese and self-loathing ang mo wannabes who despise chinese. I remember a while ago there is a poll by the strait times for s'pore kids:"if given a choice, what would you want to be?", majority kids rather chose to be blond haired blue eyed ang mo than chinese. clearly many s'poreans and parents have self-esteem issues, and it's affecting their kids.

do you have any source or did you pull that from your ass?

besides, there is no definition of 100% pure blood chinese, not even in China. Chinese gets to be the biggest race on earth not because our ancestors were virile and sexholics, but because chinese culture kept expanding and absorded sorrounding people. being chinese is a cultural thing, not a genetic thing.

Dr Who SG

Lee Kuan yew- baba with malay blood - http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/000405.html

Peranakan Culture-the original culture of local chinese people until Chinese nationalism re-claimed local chinese culture.
http://www.scholars.nus.edu.sg/landow/post/singapore/people/peranakan/intro.html

It's sad the young chinese here deny their peranakan roots......

Gun SG

It is sad that Dr Who here deny the fact every living human race is the result of thousands of yrs of cross breeding due migration, re-settlement and warfare.

It is even more sad that Dr Who fail to recognise that existence of Perankan Culture is the result of ethnic Chinese influence on the Malayan settlers.

Fact is more disturbing is Dr Who continue his shameful display of facism in multi-cultural Singapore.

His parasitic attempt to sow mistrust must not go unchallenged.

sgdiehard SG

"the elder statesmen of Singapore and formerly Harry Lee, is of "Baba Chinese" extraction [Some further digging by me indicates his mother is part Baba, while his father's family came too late to the Straits to be considered Baba and is as Jason pointed out more properly identified as Hakka]" - His father is a hakka and his mother is "part Baba", does it make him a baba or a hakka??

"Update: Jason Soon points out that Lee is of Hakka origin. But, the article above indicates that his mother was partially Malay and I have read that Lee spoke English growing up. The latter tendencies are typical of Babbas. As Babbas are a settler community, I suspect they would have varied regional origins in China." - It says here that " his mother was partially Malay", was she a malay of a chinese, or a peranakan?

What are you? a part malay, part chinese, part peranakan and a certain part unknown???

You are a confused kid!!! Have some respect for your parents and stop talking rubbish here.

LittleTiger SG

Peranakan are those who comes here 300 to 400 yrs ago.... during the melacca dynasty.
And most of the chinese in spore and m'sia comes here some 100yrs ago or less and never mixed with local malay.

Many chinese immigrant comes here during the collapse of Manchuria dynasty and WWII.

I think you are the spore famous "ah pek" friend or relative who show ppl backside and foes with the whole street neighbour. Ppl like him makes spore disgrace..... think he is high class but infact a shame..... by showing butt and everyday walk on the street half naked.
Anyway he is a peranakan so he denied all the chinese speaking neighbours.

TehJarVu SG

Lee Kuan Yew peranakan every chinese in s'pore must be peranakan??? Rolling Eyes

Gun SG

Ah, that infamous Chan family of 130B Everitt Road ?

I recalled reading about they hv a issue with their Mandarin/Dialect speaking neighbours. The Chan teacher-daughter was even quoted by CNA saying their neighbours are "low class" because she spoke only Mandarin, not English. Chan told the reporter "I don't know Hokkien, dialects and I don't speak Mandarin. I am English-educated you know?"

Hope they do not represent the general attitude of Singapore's Peranakan community.

themoment SG

i am pure chinese too bad…my grand parents are from china…and i am proud to be chinese…will be rather sad if u tell i am a nonya…

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