Human right group. Shut up for our death penalty system !

last SG · 2005-05-11T14:44:58+00:00

Its stupid to KILL someone over 600 gram of drugs..

The man who was death SG

Aren't u also being inhumane to those who are already addicted to drugs? I don't agree with u that drugs are are more harmful than cigarettes unless you show me studies to prove that drugs are indeed more harmful than cigarettes

dragg SG

i dont think we need to prove anything.

you can prove it to yourself.

just smoke a stick of cigarette and a bit of cocaine.

you have the answer!!

dragg SG

Originally posted by PRP:
Stupidissmart,
Yes,u are right to say that hard drug is more potent than cigarette and the extent of harm does matter.[b]The govt says cigarette can kill.So cigarette need not be banned?While the govt hang drug traffickers but think selling cigarette is alright.Is there double standard or no consistency in principle.

There is cigarette,i don't smoke.There is drug,i don't consume.So the govt should solve the cause of the promblem rather than punishing ppl cruelly.Cruel action is also a sin![/b]

why is there double standard? you must understand the difference between a smoker and a drug addict?

cigarette dont kill you overnight. have you ever seen a drug addict? they suffer from withdrawal symptoms. smokers are everywhere. they are just like you and i. smokers live a normal life. it is only a mild addiction.

drug addicts are different. they cannot go without drugs. it is a thousand times more addictive than cigarettes. the wrong dosage can kill you immediately. but can cigarettes kill you instantly?

stupidissmart SG

In the past, the harmful effects of cigerrettes were not found yet and it made many people become smokers. When the harmful effects were found, it was already too late to ban cigerrettes since it had already integrated deeply with society. There is no options to stop smoking at tat time. Now drugs were relatively popular and new and the harmful effects were discovered before more people become addicts. There is an option available to stop it from propaganding to the masses. If they were banned, less people will get in contacts with the drugs and therefore the problem were nipped in the bud. If they were allowed to spread, then there is very little tat can be done to reverse the trend. Tis is humane to the people.

If talked about harmful effects, hard drugs such as cocaine and heroin is 100% more deadly than cigerrettes. I believe there r very few people who r against tat statement. If talking about designer drugs such as estasy, it do not carries a death penalty to the trafficker so there should be little complaints from the people as well. If talking about marijuana, it may be more deadly or perhaps equal to cigerrettes. However as said before, the option of stopping marijuana from spreading now is possible. If u find smoking to be very harmful now then u should know why tough actions were taken to deter marijuana.

The man who was death SG

Drug addict won't suffer from withdrawal symptoms if u don't withdraw drugs from them. The problem is that smokers are everywhere, they harm ppl who don't smoke. Furthermore, passive smoking is more harmful than smoking it yourself. Also, smoke addict suffers from withdrawal symptoms.

Smoking is a mild addiction? don't make me laugh. Nicotine is as addictive as heroin and cocaine.

I don't know if heroin is more harmful than cigarette but heroin is easier to quit and less addictive than cigarettes. Why? because a smoker delivers 200-300 discrete doses of nicotine(the addicting agent) to the brain and a heroin addict delivers only 2-3 doses of nicotine to the brain.

So you kill a heroin addict who was a better chance to quit his habit than a smoker? You let a heroin addict who can only harm himself die? Then you let a smoker who can harm thousands of lives for the rest of his life live?

stupidissmart SG

There is somethign very wrogn with your concept. Heroin and cocaine user suffers much more sever withdrawal symptoms than cigerrettes. An example is heroin, its withdrawal effect include aches and spasms, stomach cramps, vomiting, runny nose, watery eyes, loss of appetite and loss of body fluids. Furthermore, no matter how much passive smoking u inhale, your health is still in a better state than those taking heroin or cocaine

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/cocaine.html
http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/heroin.html

Smoking is a mild addiction? don't make me laugh. Nicotine is as addictive as heroin and cocaine.

But is less harmful than heroin and cocaine Rolling Eyes

I don't know if heroin is more harmful than cigarette but heroin is easier to quit and less addictive than cigarettes. Why? because a smoker delivers 200-300 discrete doses of nicotine(the addicting agent) to the brain and a heroin addict delivers only 2-3 doses of nicotine to the brain.

Nicotine is not the only thing in the world tat make u an addict Rolling Eyes

So you kill a heroin addict who was a better chance to quit his habit than a smoker? You let a heroin addict who can only harm himself die? Then you let a smoker who can harm thousands of lives for the rest of his life live?

No, the abuser is never killed. The drug trafficker tat sell drugs to the user r the ones tat get killed. Rolling Eyes

A Fried Cha Kway Teow seller probably cause more more harm to more people than a smoker for the rest of their life also live as well.

The man who was death SG

Nicotine is the common addictive in cigarette, heroin and cocaine. ppl can choose not to eat chay kway tiao but you can't tell a smoker not to smoke.

If you possess over a certain limit of heroin, you get the death sentence doesn't matter if you are the abuser or the trafficker

dragg SG

the govt only hang drug traffickers, not drug addicts.

dragg SG

1st time i hear heroin is easier to quit and less addictive than cigarettes. i myself was a smoker. i have seen and heard of people quitting cigarettes. i personally can tell you smoking is more of a habit. it is only mildly addictive.

The man who was death SG

It's true that heroin is easier to quit than smoking. I think stupidissmart can also tell you heroin is less addictive than cigarette. Heroin addicts get the death sentence if they posses over a limit of it

kingofbeholder SG

dont talk this way unless u taken before.

stupidissmart SG

Nicotine is the common addictive in cigarette, heroin and cocaine. ppl can choose not to eat chay kway tiao but you can't tell a smoker not to smoke.

nicotine is not the common adictive in the 3. Rolling Eyes

in fact there shouldn't be any nicotine in heroin or cocaine. Most of the time they r shot into the body or snorted in

Tallking about addictive, eating chay kway teow is addictive itself

If you possess over a certain limit of heroin, you get the death sentence doesn't matter if you are the abuser or the trafficker

If u r only the drug abuser, why will u carry such a high quantity of drugs with u ? They can last u weeks or even months u know. If u know tat there is a death penalty for possessing such amount, unless u r an idiot, u just need to buy smaller quantity. Anyway if u manage to prove u r not the trafficker, u can escape the death penalty even if u carry such a high quantity Rolling Eyes

It's true that heroin is easier to quit than smoking. I think stupidissmart can also tell you heroin is less addictive than cigarette.

Heroin is not easier to quit than smoking Rolling Eyes

Cigarettes are highly efficient nicotine delivery devices and are as addictive as drugs such as heroin or cocaine.

http://www.ash.org.uk/html/factsheets/html/fact09.html

but cigerrettes is much safer than taking heroin or cocaine.

The man who was death SG

http://edition.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/women/09/19/mothers.smoking.wmd

But quitting smoking is easier said than done, nicotine being one of the most addictive drugs known. Indeed, pregnant women in drug rehab programs often have an easier time giving up cocaine, heroin or opiates, says Dace Svikis, Ph.D., an associate professor of psychology at Virginia Commonwealth University.

It is exactly because heroin is more dangerous to take tha makes it easier to quit. It gives the addict no choice but to quit, furthermore heroin is more expensive than cigarettes

The limit is only a few grams, once u carry over a few grams, u're dead

stupidissmart SG

But quitting smoking is easier said than done, nicotine being one of the most addictive drugs known. Indeed, pregnant women in drug rehab programs often have an easier time giving up cocaine, heroin or opiates, says Dace Svikis, Ph.D., an associate professor of psychology at Virginia Commonwealth University.

I don't see anything written in it tat says cigerrettes is harder to quit than heroin Rolling Eyes

If your report shows how hard it is to quit smoking, it also shows how hard it will be for a drug abuser to kick drugs as well and wat a terrible thing the drug trafficker had done

It is exactly because heroin is more dangerous to take tha makes it easier to quit. It gives the addict no choice but to quit, furthermore heroin is more expensive than cigarettes

The withdrawal effect of heroin is much more than cigerrettes. If people use logic to think they wouldn't become smokers or drug addicts in the first place Rolling Eyes

The limit is only a few grams, once u carry over a few grams, u're dead

I still gonna say the amount can lasts u weeks and months. U can't take the drug in its raw form. The form which u see on the street now is heavily mixed with other substances to lower the purity. It is something like alcohol. Most alcoholic drink contains less than 50% alcohol. U can't drink pure alcohol it will poison u. If u know the amount of drugs for a death penalty, then don't carry so much with u Rolling Eyes The only reason for having such amount is because u r a drug trafficker and u have to carry tat amount.

PRP SG

Inhumane to ban smoking?Don't make me laugh,pls.

PRP SG

What u said is right.But drug addicts take drug at their own free will,isn't it?

I say the govt is double standard because selling cigarettes is legal while drug traffickers get hang.What i want to stress is the punishment for drug trafficker is not only inhumane but also too heavy for the crime.

Both selling cigarettees & drug traficking are motivated by money.Both cause harm to cosumers.One is legal and the other get hang.Still no inconsistency of principle?

PRP SG

There are many drug addicts in S'pore.PAP govt should be blamed for such a situation.Perhaps the PM & ministers concerned should be hang for their faults (since they support death penalty).Since i don't support death penalty,i think they shoud resign instead.

dragg SG

we are going nowhere with all these arguments.

the problem dont lie with our law.

death sentence for drug trafficking or not it is does not affect me or you. why? as long as we dont traffick drugs it does not affect us!!!! the same goes to every individual. the law in this aspect is fair!!!

we know the consequences of doing so - DEATH BY HANGING. all mature adults know the consequences. one can opt to rob, steal or burglarize (not that i advocate it) why go for drug trafficking when there is a death sentence?

drug traffickers have no ground to appeal. they know the consequences.

PRP SG

Dragg,

A govt can enact a law that all thieves should be chopped off their hands.Then when some thieves' hands are chopped off as punishments,the govt would say they know the law and yet they commit the crime so it is not fault of the govt.

sgdiehard SG

In some religious fundamentalist societies, very likely you will get your hand chopped off for stealing. When that happens there is no use arguing who enacted the law.

You will also find that most people in these societies agree with such punishments.

Obviously in singapore, many citizens agree with capital punishment for drug trafficking, but it is not likely that singaporeans would agree to chopping hands to prevent stealing and it is also not likely that this law would be enacted. In the unlikihood that this happens, you will find the whole singapore on your side in this argument. Then we don't have disagreement.

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