china attitude to japan

last SG · 2005-04-11T14:06:17+00:00

i beg to differ. as china grow they will feel a sense of superiority and invincibility. she will look down on everyone, not just singaporeans. china's econom...

dragg SG

how can the war be racial? chinese are not the only one involved in the war. there are koreans, malays, english, americans and so many more.

dragg SG

please read the post before you comment. my posting was meant for fett who asked me to starting thinking in a chinese perspective. that's why i explained it was not a racial war.

dragg SG

did i add a twist to the bias? you wouldnt be passing such a comment if you have read all my post before jumping to conclusion. but for the sake of it this was my reply to sgdiehard regarding my opinion that china is a threat to asia's stability.

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as for china there is no denying she wants to 'take back' taiwan. the anti-secession law is a good enough proof. a taiwan-china war will destabilised asia, if not the whole world.
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ask yourself if this is a fact or a twist to the bias.

Gun SG

What had they been teaching u in history class ?

dragg SG

definitely different from yours

dragg SG

gun,

the way you word your posting i noticed you take the discussion very personally.

Gun SG

Let's make it simple:

1) Why not ask fett to clarify what he/she meant in "Chinese".
Is the post refering to Chinese as a race or nationality.

2) Why not check reason for Japan army were targeting Chinese in SEA during its occupation.

3) Why Korean lang and traditional practices were subgugated during Japanese colonisation ?

4) Why most of today Taiwanese elders are effective in Japanese lang.

Pls convince me that racism did not contribute to Japanese atrocities.
Then convince me why PRC is more of a global/regional security threat than the Nips.

fett SG

maybe you can talk to some Jews?

and no, in my previous post, race was not an issue. it did not enter my mind until you choose to read it as such.

dragg SG

then you are saying that was a typo error

dragg SG

i am not trying to convince you of anything and i dont need to. i am not here to win you over or beat you in a discussion. i have contributed enough to the discussion. to each its own way is what i always believe. i rest my case. think it anyway you want. what have we got to lose?

Gun SG

huh ?? Is this a passing judgement, a sentimental reply or an objective analysis ?

Blueray SG

Youy should go and watch the news. The Koreans also protested againt the japanese for whitewashing their history textbooks. Some korean protestors even cut off their fingers as a sign of protest!Go and read yesterday's LianHe WanBao... Some people in Johor also launched a protest against the japs. So what do u mean by you don't see any protests going on in other countries?

China and Korea should put herself in Japan's shoes? The fact is in the first place China and Korea have never invaded Japan. Nor did they massacre the japanese. Your logic is twisted and incomprehensible.

The Japanese expect others to forgive and forget and move on.... How you expect others to forgive and forget when you are denying what had happened in the first place?

robertteh SG

China has international support from many countries on its one-china stand. Historically, Taiwan has been part of China. Even US has recognized this historical fact. USA is not in favor of Taiwan declaring independence.

So your opinion is not in accord with the historical fact. China is therefore not threatening Taiwan but is merely trying to establish its one-China policy in their own legislative process. Nothing has been done which is not in accordance with international recognization and acceptance of its same one-china stand.

I don't see anyone in the international community can say that China is the aggressor in regard to its formalizing its one-china stand in their parliament. One should be objective even if one has his own opinion. It does not matter if the opinion is right or wrong as that is quite another matter. Laughing

Gun SG

dragg,

Correction: We hv everything to loose in the event of another major conflict in NE Asia. If one continues gloss over the fact Japan remains unrependent, unapologetic and insensitive to their Asian counterpart, the historical stigma and suspicion will remain. And as long as that air of mistrust exist, the entire region can easily fall into vicious cycle of mutual accusations.

You have failed in your analysis of the true nature of Japan's recent activties.
Even more unbashful, you insist your miss interpretation of fett's post being due to "typo error" eventhough the poster him/her has already clarify what "Chinese" actually meant in the article.

If one cannot even grasp that post content and miss quoted a sentence out of context, then how can one be expected to convincing in one's arguments within this thread ?

Using your Singaporea-educated bkgnd as a benchmark, one need little imagination to understand what Japanese students are missing out in their history lesson. It is one thing to be igorant, but quite another to be educated by revisionist history books.

fett SG

my saying'Chinese' was in reference to the Chinese nation, not as a racial entity. and i do make an effort to correct any typo before posting, so there should be a minimal of typing errors.

i like to think i know enough of history to realize some country do not have to balls to admit their mistake.

ShutterBug SG

heheeheheeeee........

So long as humans are involved, forget admitting MISTAKES!!!

This applies to all races. Period.

lotus999 SG

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i bloody well know what these textbooks are about and how japan masks their history. but all this is in the past and japan has every right to their own education. i'm peeved by the chinese only knowing how to bear grudges. come on, there are so MANY grudges the whole world can bear against china too. and i don't think japan simply admitting to their mistake will solve the probelm. such demonstrations will happen in the future even if japan admits (they are not denying)

its not as if they are PROMOTING the same atrocities they did. and glorifying war is nothing wrong. don't come up to me and brag about peace because there can never be peace on earth. >>

Care to tell us what are the MANY grudges the whole world can bear against China and who are not denying such demo will happen in the future even if Japan admits?

Glorifying war may not be anything seriously wrong but distorting facts is morally wrong:

The Independent
Textbook war escalates as China and Korea vent their fury at Japanese rewriting of history
By David McNeill in Seoul
11 Apr 2005

The most contentious history text removes all references to the comfort women and suggests that Korea and China invited or benefited from the Japanese occupation. A civics text claims jurisdiction over a clump of rocks called Takeshima (in Korean, Tokdo) that Korea has held since 1945.

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In another telling sign of Japan's growing nationalism, Green Day, now celebrated on April 29, will almost certainly be renamed "Showa Day" soon to commemorate the birthday of the late Emperor Hirohito, who led Japan during its conquest of Asia and who is a revered symbol of Japanese rightists.

The previously named Emperor's Day was changed to Green Day in 1989, after Hirohito's death, partly in consideration of Asian sensitivities. Two attempts in the last five years to rename the holiday for Hirohito failed.
TOKYO, April 10 - Japan lodged a formal protest against China on Sunday after violent anti-Japanese demonstrations in Beijing, even as marches in front of Japanese government offices and businesses widened to southern China.

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But without the a-bombs do you think the Japanese would stop?

oldbreadstinks SG

i dunno about him but what i learnt was , the jipoonese were brutal towards chinese people because they had a shitty time in china and chinese in SEA were also contributing to the war effort in china

it looks like a objective analysis that is disagreeable with you?

regarding stablity of the region , i actually feel that a strong china would benefit the region where stablity is concerned just like america the "big brother" but chances are we won't like their behaviour , judging from what we're are already getting now

fett SG

the germans did apologize to countries they invaded in WWII. I dont see why cant the japanese do the same?

oxford mushroom SG

The Japanese government should learn a thing or two from the Germans.

I don't think the atrocities committed by the Germans were any less than those committed by the Japanese. Whilst Japan still has great difficulties coming to terms with her war-time brutality, Germany has shown true contrition and has moved on. Far from covering up their crime, the Germans have not only apologized, but have instituted legislation to prevent such atrocities from ever being committed again. Every German child is taught the errors committed by their fore-fathers and a visit to the Holocaust museum is considered a must of a student's education. I was impressed during my previous to Germany: the neo-Nazis who tried to disrupt the ceremonies commemorating the Nazi death camps were overwhelmingly criticized and ostracized by mainstream Germans. Everywhere I went, I met Germans who reassured me that 'those punks' do not represent Germany but rather the shame of German society. With such sentiments, people in Europe are not at all worried that another Hitler might once again come up from among their ranks.

Can Asian nations be certain that Japan will not return to her old ways? It is not a matter of apologizing for the sins of long-forgotten ancestors. It is important that Japan should fully come to terms with her war-time responsibility in order to reassure her neighbours that she has indeed changed. If Japanese children are not aware of the cruelty and brutality of their past leaders, how can we be confident of a benign Japan in future?

That said, it is not in the interest of China to allow these protests to get out of hand. It is a difficult balancing act to condemn Japan on one hand and yet place a restraining hand upon the protests that may turn into disorder. We don't have that problem. We are not allowed to demonstrate...period.

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