Foreigners welcomed to take Citizenshit

Lowclassman SG

Originally posted by mannovo:
Easy classman,

Not true, they are taking care of our mandarins very well, and these scholars are Singaporeans. .or at least, PR from Malaysia..Ha...Ha...

Lets be fair, pple like Goh Keng Swee, Rajaratnam etc are giants and heros, part of the Old Guard who has made Singapore wat we hve today.

I do believe tat our garment knows it, tat FT will leave at a drop of a hat shld our economic situations turns from bad to worse. The sames goes for China, many FDI and Fortune 500 hve massive investment over there, and by the way, abt 365 out of the Fortune 500 are already in China n is growing by the day..it is inevitable..but the diff. is tat our garment, does not hve any transparent or consistent policy, in ensuring tat FTs are really FTs. Look, we paid abt S$5 million or USD5 million (not very sure whether USD or Sing $) to John Olds, S$21 million to Barry White (Chartered Semiconductor), n Thomas Cloat or someting (S$27 million) as "golden parachute" 4 their "contributions".

Along the way, these FTs brings in their "buddies", "associates" to "displace" Singaporeans, n tis is really "cut us to our bones". And these Singaporeans are not "lazy" nor "untalent".

We have abt 1 million foreign workers, or FTs abound in Singapore. There are pros and cons...n even LKY highlighted tat we shld not "alienate Singaporeans". Don't forget, we are targetting 8 miilion pple by 2030 or something...where do we get the extra 3.5 million, giving tat we hve about 4.5 million pple now....even if we make luv all day long, i dont think we can produce anohter 4.5 million...

[b]Truly, certain sectors of our economy, like life science requires FTs, as we are the "new kid in the block" but not the tons of engineers, mediocre "talents" or "passengers".
I am not against tem, but by n large, most of these pple i interviewed or encountered r no better, or worse than our Singaporeans. We must hve faith in our pple, if not, who else will defend Singapore.

Classman, i beg to disagree on the military budget, it is neccesary, remember we r not in a very nice neighbourhood, if u know wat i mean, deterrent is very much a part of military strategy.
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This shows the failure of the freaking gov, they failed to train singaporeans and now we have to depend so much on FT.

mannovo SG

Hi Classman,

I think we are the only countries in S.E.Asia that still carrys the white-is-better syndrome. Sad but true...

mistyblue SG

Its the reverse. The gov train us so well, we stop thinking, stop questioning, just obey and go fetch.

dreamykite SG

Sometimes, I really doubt that foreigners eg expat.. like to help us. B’cos many of us have been sabotage by them before. I think government should value their own citizens, train our own people rather than the foreigners. As in the end, they were to depend on us and not the foreigners. Chinese nationals were in singapore not just out for education but also to earn singapore monies as when it is converted is 4 times their Ren ming pi. RNB if i am not wrong. They have also taken up alot of our jobs as they ask for lower salary. This is unfair. Our government should know that it is us, Singaporeans whom they have to take good care of.

mannovo SG

Hi Dreamy Kite,

There are pros and cons. Globalisation is inevitable but garment has to ensure level playing field. There are certain sectors tat really requires foreign talents of which, due to our small population, narrow focus education systems does not have the environment nor the "brain mass" to make a difference in the New World. In other countries, like New Zealand, Australia, Canada, immigrant policies are clearly spelled out...with point system whereas, in Singapore, it is not transparent. We are too liberal in getting pple into Singapore, whether they are Philipinos, Cambodians, Chinese, Indians etc. I am not agains these pple but we have to ensure tat these pple coming into Singapore are really "foreign talent", sadly, most of these pple are not...n falls under the category of "passengers", Singapore is just a bus-stop for them to continue their journey..

Comng back to jobs, take a few example, Chartered Semi conductor was headed by Barry White till 2002 i think, n the most of the key appointments are ex-motorola staff ie. Barry White's associates etc.

Also, DBS Bank, during Pariff or something, i think (Frenchman), pardon my French....in 2001 or 2002, there were key resignations from MD of Shanghai, Taiwan and HK, and these Singaporeans are veteran bankers who has been around for 20 years..what a waste...

It really amaze me how our garment are fancy FTs. If our home country, where we recite our pledge, we the citizens of Singaporeans...pledged ourselves as one united people....and yet we are treated like second-class citizens...

I remember LKY daughter did voice out in 2003 tat not all foreign talents are talent...it is very telling...tat it is a bureaucratic boo-boo n a "honest mistake" tat we take in too many foreigners thus displacing Singaporeans of their jobs.

In Shanghai, Beijing and Guangzhou, they do welcome foreigners but there is a chinese saying "ta gou guan men", meaning tat beat the shit out of the dog, when the door is closed...its really funny...how the chinese sees it, no matter, it is a American, British, Germans or Singaporeans, once they are in...tats it...our Suzhou Industrial Park is a good example...however, Chinese garment is there to make use of the technology, management "know-how'', domain knowlegde, not to replace the local talents...this policy is clearly spell out so tat the Chinese knows tat they are valued.

Exchange rate is abt 4.6 times, dreamy.

A friend of mine told me a interesting story...singapore is like being a frog in the well...its comfortable, clean and thinks we are always the number 1 frog in the world...increasingly the temperature is being raised till we are being cooked....

I really hope the new garment under LHL gets the pulse of our Singaporeans feelings...question is does every Singaporeans count.

Lowclassman SG

Back few years ago, I attended a course conducted by Scal, Singapore Contractor Association .... The lecturer was from Hong Kong...woh lau...his English is terrible and the topic that he covered was not new to me either!!! And this, singapore government called him foreign talent??? Mad What the fu.ck!!! I think I can conduct the class better than him. What a fu.ck... Mad

Singapore government really terrible and ruthlessly ill treated us. Some people was happy that we got NSS, and said where on earth government is giving cash to its citizens. These people must be dam naive!!! LKY already said there is no free lunch in this world and yet why the gov is given money to us? Think about it, these were all our $$$$$ man....

Why I complain so much? Cos, there is no balance in between our income as compared to the inflation!!! The inflation is actually the cost of land, utilities, taxes every here and there which it had been pushed up unreasonbly.

In fact, most of the shops are unbearly surviving and just work their lives for the sg gov.

mannovo SG

Hi classman,

A fren of mine migrated quite some years back, n i happend to bump into him at Sim Lim Square. Aussie gahment gives AUD800 for every pple 18 years old last year n another AUD800, after John Howard won the gahment. So other gahment does gives out the dole but tey do not require our old folks to top up S$50 into their account.

I failed to c why Singaporeans r happy to get S$5 where gahment hve taken S$50 frm u.

Ultimately, i really do hope tat LHL gahment sees n feel the pulse of Sporeans.....lets see...

timothytsgsg SG

Easier said than done. In the end, they listen to their own wallets more than ours. And half the money they earn are actually taxpayers money. It doesn't really belong to them...

ejl SG

What's wrong with making Singapore more cosmopolitan? Singapore has an ageing society. Look at Japan. Ageing society, citizenship limited to Japanese natives and this is one amongst the other factors contributing to slower economic growth.

Singaporeans complain about racism in countries that are predominantly white. Racist sentiments in Australia is overplayed by the Singapore media. Having lived in Oz for nearly a decade, only one incident of racism and it's only one verbal sentence. No attacks.

In fact, Singaporeans seem to have a significantly stronger tendency to exhibit discriminatory behavior. Whites are treated better, people from less developed countries are treated worse. Stop generalizing and look at the individual characteristics instead!

A multicultural place is beautiful. Imagine yr neighbour on the left being Egyptian, your boss is Nigerian, yr colleague is Korean, yr best friend is Spanish and yr banker is Vietnamese. Wouldn't that be so beautiful?

Lowclassman SG

I fully agree with you!

Lowclassman SG

Who was the one that restrict us to have more than two children in Seventies? wasn't it our freaking government, right?

Why didn't they (Gov) encourage people to have more children during the good time in late eighties toward mid nineties. Isn't it too late to encourage people to have more children at this time where recently the gov are encourging singaporeans to expore business into other countries; if a family have to break up to go and earn a living in elsewhere, you think it is appropriate to do so....?
I feel that is very contradicting. You called them an efficient government. I said they must be an idiot! Mad

Very disgusting!!!!!

ejl SG

First, I'm not sure who said Singapore's government is efficient. I certainly didn't, but of course.. I've heard some crazy & spineless people (without much hope of leaving Spore) sing praises about the Singapore government.

Second, it's astounding how many ppl listen to the govt's stop-at-two policy. Actually, it demonstrates how obedient Singaporeans are.... I find it a big joke sometimes. Birth choices is actually up to the individual.

Third, although I usually am satirical abt the Spore government, I think it's quite a good idea to go overseas for business opportunities. Get PR status overseas, bring the family over and then start enjoying life OUT OF SINGAPORE. It makes you a better person too, not like a frog in a well. If you find a good place, it's highly likely you'll find that people in society don't really care much about material possessions, but more abt your personality. So much happier..

ejl SG

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