Singapore ready for Casinos

last SG · 2004-11-19T14:37:19+00:00

Oh come on! Everyone can be a responsible gambler*.

SnowFlag SG

u seems to be referring to the unsucessful ventures by garment. But i am talking abt starting businesses as a whole, including those ordinary singaporean.

Although there are many who started and failed their business, there are also many who suceeded. Those successfully entreprenuers have many qualities that our gahment don't have. The latter are good at giving reasons, while the former are good with their actions. The latter takes a gamble, while the former took calculative risk. The latter dun hv a clue what is actually happening, while the former often venture in the fields they are familar with.

BTW, although some who went into businesses are/were bankrupt, they also take responsibilities for their mistakes.

reyes SG

few of you mention basically sporean now can gamble anything from toto, 4D, big sweep, soccert bets, turf betting and some even go batam and genting to try their luck.
those who go genting and batam cant go everyday due to the distance needed. but if we have one in sentosa or marina, we are inviting them to go everyday for thos hardcore gambler.
maybe most of us has self control but we need to think the whole society as a whole.
macau has casino but HK doesnt have.
why not bring whole singapore consortium to go bintan to set up singaporeamn resorts, casino, entertainment center there employing singaporean only there.

no right or wrong, whether you are gambler or not

X-men SG

A BIG NO

<sk> SG

You think the indonesian govt will allow you to do that? Wink

Gazelle SG

"WE NEED TO THINK THE WHOLE SOCIETY AS A WHOLE"

There is no single policy in this world that will benefit everybody. Some will win some will lose, the decision to win or lose if up to you to choose.

iveco SG

Not all of us will gamble at the proposed casino. Only the well-heeled ones will do so. And we shall watch the tragedies unfold in their families. Twisted Evil

yeebas SG

now now..lets not be biased or whatever. Lets just allow a independent analyst to list out the advantages and disadvantages of having a Casino in Singapore. Then, the report will be published independently from a independent press. In that way, nobody will complain that our newspapers are biased. I just don't get it that how the government are going to set up a Casino that is going to be free of vices and social problems. History have shown, gambling leads to these problems. Unless the government is able to produce a detailed case study on a successful model in which they are going to build on, some of us will not agree to it. Who doesnt know it? In math, there is something called probability. Whatever that seemed 0.99% will also happen. In other words, it means that when a Casino is built on Sentosa for the rich, there will at least be a slight rise in social problems. For those who support the Casino, face it, problems will arise. But wait, is the government going to be ignorant about this problem? Or are they going to look for ways to solve this problem. If they don't, these small little problems can multiply and soon it will be too late to address it. In other words, it might be as well as the end of good governance in singapore because the government is not practising good governance.

Let's talk about the those who support the building of the casino. Well, the government says that taxes will fall, blablabla..Well, only silly fool bites onto it. Educated people knows it. Those are just statistics.How real is it? yeah.The government have done a study on it. Show it to us! On what circumstances will it be successful? Alright..just show it to us and let the comments flow..Singaporeans live in Singapore too. Give us a voice, a fair stage for views to be aired.If even possible, hold a Referendum to decide on this issue. Since the government says that Singaporeans are mature enough, I am very sure that we Singaporeans are mature enough to decide on this issue. Isn't it?? If we are able to control and restrain ourselves from temptation, surely we are able to decide on the decision whether or not to build a casino.

Gazelle SG

In life, sometime we just have to sacrifice something in order to gain something. I believe what our government is trying to do is for the better good of Singapore. As you can see from some of my posting, I am an anti PAP citizen in Singapore, and it is clear that I am not a pro PAP kind of person. However if you can see good reasons and benefit from PAP policy, I believe it is only right to support it.

Some forumers have mentioned that having a casino in Singapore will eventually benefit our millionaire MPs. But one have to understand that even without the casino, they will still be a millionaire. Therefore there is no reason why MPs would want to sneak their head out to gain bad publicity for gaining nothing.

I hope Singaporeans would be able to see things from a wider perspective, because Singapore is going through a major transition and at the same time, we are facing intense competition from our neighbor countries . As long as we do our best to discourage hardcore gambling, majority of the gain from this casino project will be paid by foreigners and not just Singaporeans.

Ask yourself this question, would you rather have a "perfect" society or to have Singapore going into major recession?

SnowFlag SG

So what sacrifice do you mean?

To maintain their million dollar pay, they need to come up with money making policies at the expense of the ppl.

You also agree on the vices of gambling, right?

What kind of comparsion is this? What do you mean by "perfect"?
You also agree Singapore is in recession, right? What has our gahment being doing, when they quickyly restore they pay and says Singapore is out of recession. Where everything it seems, the prices are rising. Ask anyone on the streets how they feel. Forget abt reading ST.

Now, they want to build a casino? Who will really benefits? Who will really suffer? Look back the history, and you will know.

yeebas SG

indeed Singapore’s economy might benefit. But will it be a short term or long term benefit? Since the casino is a man-made entertainment,sure, decades to come there will be even newer and more exciting places for millionaires to place their bets. Then, the casino in Sentosa will be forced to renew and upgrade itself. Will this upgrade be viable and cost effective? What about other social problems? Will the government be ignorant to it? If they arent ignorant about it, they will be spending money to address the problem. Since addressing the problem requires money, where does the money come from? Okay lets see it this way. Indeed the casino will earn money. But sooner or later, the money will be channelled into other places like healthcare and other infrastructure to overcome the problems brought about by the casino. As time goes by..the problems will overcome the advantages. What happens next? Casino is closed and oh no. Tourism revenue falls. Oh no. Poor economic performance. oh no. recession. how? who’s gonna answer for this?

chunyong SG

who cares as long as it lines the gahmen's pocket in the short run and middle run...

CenturionMBT SG

If you are so anti gambling, please ban the whole stock exchange cos it is the biggest casino in the world.

X-men SG

In order to build this stupid casino, sentosa has to be expanded.... how?

reclaim land... and all the marine life will be KILLED!!

Dont be a murder and say NO to casino.

[ Neo ] SG

As with my stand in the past casino related threads, my vote's still a big 'NO' towards that bloody casino.

If short term casino profits benefit CAN actually be prioritized over the detrimental long impact of addiction and related social problems spin-offs here in Singapore one day, that day will mark the begining of a new black era for society.

Forget about civics and moral education in schools, cos it will be simply impossible to justify to our kids will not be able to see the justification on why the police in the anti-vice branch in the CID is busying chasing after bookies and gamblers on one end of the island while red carpets are being rolled out on another to warmly welcome yet another similar class of gamblers in on the other.

yeebas SG

Image is very important to marketing. Most tourists who arrive here best remember Singapore as a clean and green society. So if we built a casino which is linked to vice, prostitution, loanshark activities and triads, the tourists will be ‘hmmmzz..INDEED it is UNIQUELY SINGAPORE’, ‘I shall come and take a look’. Some foreigners will just poke fun at Singapore’s double standards. Then singapore’s image would be affected.

gasband SG

I think the key issue is here is not to talk about whats been done. Stock exchange, Singapore Pools all these have been here, so there is nothing much I can do, but concerning this casino, it has not happen here, so instead of saying since there is already this and that, we should let everything else come in also, its making a bad issue worse.

iveco SG

I agree. The situation is bad enough. Don't let it get worse.

Gazelle SG

Dont let it get worse?

I think if we dont do anything, singapore economy (especially the tourist ind.)is definitely going to get worst.

Ask yourself this question, tell my why would tourist wanna to stop over and spend money in Singapore if they can spend them in KL or Bangkok? What does Singapore has to offer?

good service? cheap accomodation? natural wonders? nice real beaches? clear blue sea? fantastic shopping?

I think the social impact of rising unemployment in Singapore will be more servere than the casino itself.

iveco SG

If we have a casino, imagine how many people will be ruined by gambling. Legalising the casino while going after illegal moneylanders smacks of double standards, as some people have pointed out.

KumSioJui SG

I tend to agree with gazelle. We benefitted during a time when countries like china, vietnam, cambodia, myanmmar, indonesia even malaysia were considered communist or hermit kingdoms, troubled spots or industrial nations not very keen on tourism. In other words we built our own niche.

But now these countries have opened up and tourists are finding that there is much more to offer than in singapore. Hong Kong is also in trouble but unlike us they now have a hinterland to fall back upon if their tourism industry fails, what do we have to fall back upon if we fail?

The reality of the tourism scene is that if singaporeans themselves are unwilling to spend locally but rather fly all the way to thailand, china to shop and enjoy to take advantage cheap bargains what is to stop other savvy tourists in other countries from doing the same.

Simply put If you have nothing to offer why should tourists find a "reason" to come here to spend?

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