Singapore ready for Casinos

last SG · 2004-11-19T14:37:19+00:00

Oh come on! Everyone can be a responsible gambler*.

gasband SG

Nothing wrong with your point except what should we think that a casino will change all these? Talking about casinos, Australia and Genting also have. Why should a casino make us more competitive? Why shouldnt we think of improving on our strengths instead of moving onto something which we are not sure of? I mean, really, do we have to resort to such things like gambling to attract people?

KumSioJui SG

Whatever we can do has to be all man made and will cost ton of money to implement. Haven't we already have sunk hundreds of millions into sentosa, that didn't work. What abt durian esplanade a few hundred million there as well?

Let me put it back to you, what do we have that will attract the masses here? If I was a tourists tell me why should I come here to spend.

Building casinos with partnership from Las Vegas now thats different, we are asking them to sink several hundred million here only for a few years of ownership and they are agreeable.

Do you think for a moment that these are stupid people who will sink several hundred million for fun. Wink

Their agenda is that they are trying to beat their competitors in Genting and Australia and elsewhere by franchising it to this region which is gonna be hot. They have been in this business for decades and they know how to fix the kind of entertainment that pull in crowds as seen from their successes. And they gonna do it for us if they ever hope to see a return on their investment. And best of all our people are going to learn this secret of theirs almost for free.

In the end if nobody turned up at the casinos and it's really bad, we didn't lose very much anyway. What more can you ask for?

gasband SG

http://app.stb.com.sg/asp/new/new03a.asp?id=2143

above is the latest figure from STB. If you see from it, you will see an increase over last year's figures and we are on track to this years target. It is not just for one month. But for the best part of the year so far. So, is there any casino to help push this growth? Nope there aint. If you were to look far ahead, the Esplanade, the Suntec Convention and Expo is actually a long term investment to attract the MICE sector which is gonna be a big segment of tourism to come.

Gazelle SG

Esplanade, Singapore exhibition halls and hotels can only happen if Singapore maintains its position as the air hub of South East Asia. The whole purpose of having a casino is to make sure that both tourist and business travelers dont by pass Singapore when they traveling to SE Asia.

It is easy for you to count the chicken now that the eggs which our government laid years ago have hatch. If our government stops laying eggs today, where are you going to find the chicken in years to come?

gasband SG

Precisely. The eggs have hatched. We didnt need casinos to grow. There are many other ways I believe. I may not be as well versed in the economics and politics of it all but at least as a common man and singaporean, i believe that if a country has to build a casino to attract people, then it is sad, damn sad.

Gazelle SG

When Singapore build the Esplanade, majority of Singaporeans were not happy about it. it cost 600 million and we still have to fund it. Why?

The chicken you counting today dont last forever and you will need new eggs to bring new growth to the economy.

SnowFlag SG

Define "we". We never have a say, why do u use "we still have to fund it"?

Of course we know that. You can always bring in this argument for whatever things the gahment do. Now we can talking about the social problems.

SnowFlag SG

Casino can results in suicides and broken families. And serves as a catalyst to further erose the values of the ppl. Addiction to gambling will cause many serious problems. Casino is more serious than 4D, toto, because in Casino, the gamblers lose quickly. We can say that the casino will cause the gamblers to lose more and a catalyst to the social problems.

The question is about laying the wrong eggs which we have seen many times liao.

Gazelle SG

I believe unemployment and recession will create more social problem than a healthy economy with Casino. If unemployment get out of hand, many bread winners will lose their job, families will have problem servicing their housing loan, and eventually lose the roof above their head.

Yes, we all know that casino will definitely create problem for gambling addicts, but we also have to understand that gambling is an individual's decision and they themselves should be responsible for their own action. How can you expect Singapore to sacrific its future for the seek of a bunch irresponsible people in this country? Please note that our government didnt say that gambling is good, in fact they say you will sure to lose in long run. Isnt this message clear enough for us to make our own decision?

You will never know if it is a wrong egg until it is hatch. No egg = no Hope.

SnowFlag SG

You speak as though only casino can help us now. Then why are we paying million dollars to our miw, and they can only think of a casino to solve unemployment. Btw, when the top takes millions, n they expect the bottom to struggle with ever increasing prices. You think they really concern when they wanted to build a casino.

It looks more like a gahment decision. Is a addicted gambler ever a responsible person?

Did I ever ask Singapore to sacifice its future? Btw, the casino is meant to prey on the weakness of your so-called "iresponsible" gamblers. Or do u mean the "ireponsible" gahment?

have they? We will indeed lose in the long run.

It is clear enough for me to oppose.

SnowFlag SG

Some ppl can differentiate betw a good n bad egg. But sadly, mostly can't.

Gazelle SG

Casino is just a part of the puzzle (not the ONLY) which we need to put together to form a strong and vibrant economy in Singapore.

In order not to distort this thread, i would prefer that we dont discuss about general inflation (e.g. transport price hike), minister's salary, PAP's Pay and Pay policy.

Of course our government is concern and aware of the impact of having a casino, if not we could have had a casino 20 to 30 years ago. It is clear that the reasons why we are only considering it now is because: -

a) We are facing intense competition from Thailand and Malaysia to replace Singapore as the air hub of SE Asia.
b) We are a matured society
c) The world is getting too unpredictable and we just cannot depend on existing industries to support Singapore growth.

If you have ideas that can help attact billion dollars investment and help Singapore to stay ahead of competition, please share!!

Originally posted by SnowFlag:It looks more like a gahment decision. Is a addicted gambler ever a responsible person?

Did I ever ask Singapore to sacifice its future? Btw, the casino is meant to prey on the weakness of your so-called "iresponsible"; gamblers. Or do u mean the "ireponsible" gahment?

There are many business in this world that prey on consumer's weakness. For example, breast enhancing, zero down payment car financing, zero interest installment to buy plasma TV and other branded goods, credit cards, insurance, etc.

Are we also saying that Singaporeans cant make decision and we need our government to decide what is right or wrong?

Gazelle SG

I disagree. Most can, some cant. If what you say is true, singapore have failed miserably in its education system and I dont think so.

SnowFlag SG

Because the way you put it, it is as though it is the only way. And you keep saying we need casino for economy in Singapore. Haven't I rebutted that in my previous post.

This is part of a puzzle. We need to see things as a whole puzzle.

it also shows that they have run out of ideas, but still thinks they deserve a million dollar pay. Even MM Lee said he focus to much on the so-called scholars in the past, n also depends too much on the foreign MNC. Hence the lack of entrepreneurs.

of course, I have ideas. First is to reduce the pay of our million dollor MIW by 80%. You probably dun undertstand why. But the man in the street can easily explain.

How can this be compared with casino? Rolling Eyes

I am interested to know which part of my statement did i imply this?

SnowFlag SG

If u are talking about the education systems, it is back to the topics of the teachers and the present day students. Cool

Gazelle SG

Originally posted by SnowFlag:
[b]of course, I have ideas. First is to reduce the pay of our million dollor MIW by 80%. You probably dun undertstand why. But the man in the street can easily explain.
b]

I really dont understand how we can attract more foreign investment and
tourist dollars by reducing our minister salary. You might want to connect your argument to the economy and not just shifting money between the left and right pocket.

I hope you can also see the big picture that the main intention of having casino and resort it not to make money out of Singaporeans, its is to attract tourists to spend money, lots of money, in billions of dollars, many time more that the salary you are talking about.

miong SG

Billybong

Blind belief in authority is the single greatest enemy of truth
~ A. Einstein

Brilliant quotation!

It typifies many stereotyped Singaporeans who are still unable to walk away from herd mentality.

How can we demand a more open society when many of us are still unable to see and think out of the many ploys spurned by a Government that is clinging desparately to power ?

Have our lives really become richer, socially and politicallly, since PAP took control? Or are we paying a heavy price for for all the look-good trappings and modernity around us? The casino included.

Why do some observers today regard Singapore as a soulless nation and Singaporeans as a 'wooden' lot ?

pikamaster SG

I disagree with you, being a student myself currently. Our education system has failed, since clearly no student in the school feels that CME or Moral Ed. is important when we see the lessons.

Singapore's education system has succeeded in forming the Economic Mind, not the social mind. As you stated in that thread on drug trafficking, that kind of education is sorely lacking. And throw in HRE (Human Rights Ed.) and Citizenship Ed. , and you ahve a whole list of stuff NOT COVERED successfully or at all. Mr. Green

Of course, it depends on what criteria u r using to judge the education system.

cya,

the pikamaster

<sk> SG

You're real smart peni's. You made such an interesting observation, did you think it was a casino because the building was built in the shape of C A S I N O? Or did you see the form of black jack table or maybe jack pot machines being installed? Or maybe they were making the world's biggest roulette table cast in concrete?

If you bothered to look for a huge white sign board posted at the front of the construction site, you will be able to tell who is the developer, who is the main con, who are the architects, type of project and project duration.

The new development you said, is lemme see about 5 stories high with a huge basement? Its the new bus terminal in sentosa.

[ Neo ] SG

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